Xubuntu/Meetings/Archive/Minutes/2011-07-11

2011-07-11

2011-07-11 Meeting Minutes

The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings

Old Business

Charlie to dig for the xscreensaver updates, and put in an SRU - Carried Forward
micahg to find what Ubuntu-desktop does with java in restricted-extras - Carried Forward
GridCube to begin a discussion on the Xubuntu-devel ML to find the "Top 10" FAQ items for Xubuntu - Done
- investigate putting the "TOP 10" FAQ on the website - Done
start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc - Carried Forward
we will look at getting pavucontrol in the sound preferences - Done
All teams need to review website content - Carried Forward
- insure http://xubuntu.org/contribute is up to date for each team
  - send updates to the xubuntu-devel mailing list
  - charlie-tca AT ubuntu DOT com
  - post them and give us the URL
  - submit a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website

Team updates

Packaging & Development

mr_pouit got the indicators working in xubuntu oneiric again
we should probably try to confirm defaults for this cycle soon as feature freeze is 4 weeks away
pavucontrol and pastebinit need to be added to the defaults
look at the possibility of adding midori as a second browser

Bug Triage & Testing

Many thanks to the testers for all their hard work. Alpha2 made it out the door
- A big part of that is the daily testing we are doing. Alpha2 was a very difficult milestone to release, as can be seen by the flavours not releasing it.
- We knew in advance where the worst issues were, and had workarounds for most of the issues.
Keep the bugs coming in, please
- We are tracking the Oneiric bugs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot

Website & Marketing

All teams need to review website content
- insure http://xubuntu.org/contribute is up to date for each team
added a link to our artwork page to our marketing page last week, so now it should be easier to find the logos
we're testing the imgcapt plugin, please contact knome for information

Artwork

there's a git-repo for greybird
- https://github.com/shimmerproject/Greybird

Documentation

We need someone that can go through the wiki documentation and update it.

Announcements

Ubuntu Developer Week happening all week, 16:00 to 20:00 UTC
- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Sessions
Great job getting Oneiric Alpha 2 out, it was touch and go for many of us.
The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-07-17 at 22:00 UTC
Important dates coming up:
- 10.04.3 Release: July 21, 2011
  - We will not be releasing 10.04.3, but will be involved with testing Ubuntu.
- 11.10 Alpha 3: August 4, 2011
- 11.10 FeatureFreeze : August 11, 2011
- 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
Thunderbird is now the default email client in Ubuntu, it has replaced Evolution

Any Other Business

Thanks for attending the meeting.
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Next meeting is in one week, July 17, #xubuntu-devel, at 22:00 UTC.
Meeting log
Thanks to the efforts of AlanBell, we now have a bot to record the meeting

Action items for the 2011-07-11 meeting

micahg will get with desktop-team about putting pavucontrol in the sound preferences - Done (pavucontrol is not in active development)

Xubuntu Governance

The governancy part of the current Strategy Document can be found at Xubuntu/StrategyDocument#Xubuntu Governance & Team Structure

2011-07-11 Meeting Log

People Present:
charlie-tca
micahg
knome
pleia2
beardygnome
jarnos
astraljava
plantoschka

Started logging meeting in #xubuntu-devel

Meeting started by charlie-tca at 19:02:56 UTC. The full logs are available at http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/xubuntu-devel/2011/xubuntu-devel.2011-07-11-19.02.log.html

Full Log

19:02:56 <charlie-tca> #startmeeting
19:02:56 <meetingology> Meeting started Mon Jul 11 19:02:56 2011 UTC. The chair is charlie-tca. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
19:02:56 <meetingology> Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting.
19:03:07 <charlie-tca> WOOT! a meeting bot!
19:03:35 <charlie-tca> Thanks to the efforts of AlanBell, we now have a bot to record the meeting
19:04:03 <micahg> o/
19:04:17 <charlie-tca> Our agenda, as usual, is found at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
19:04:27 <charlie-tca> #link https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Meetings
19:04:40 <charlie-tca> hm, maybe I broke it already
19:05:14 <charlie-tca> Well, for those interested:
19:05:18 <charlie-tca> * Old business
19:05:19 <charlie-tca> * Team updates
19:05:21 <charlie-tca> * Packaging & Development
19:05:23 <charlie-tca> * Bug Triage & Testing
19:05:25 <charlie-tca> * Website & Marketing
19:05:27 <charlie-tca> * Artwork
19:05:29 <charlie-tca> * Documentation
19:05:31 <charlie-tca> * Announcements
19:05:33 <charlie-tca> * Governance structure
19:05:35 <charlie-tca> * Any Other Business 19:05:48 * pleia2 waves
19:06:06 <charlie-tca> and, in the interest of determining what is happening, please use ".." on separate line when you've finished typing. If someone wants to comment during the updates, please "o/", so we know to wait.
19:06:23 <charlie-tca> Let's try that and see if it works for us
19:06:37 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Old business
19:06:37 <meetingology> TOPIC: Old business
19:07:31 <charlie-tca> We are putting together a "Top 10" questions and answers FAQ. We would very much like to have that on the website
19:08:09 <charlie-tca> If possible, we would even like to rotate these FAQ's so there are new ones for people to read
19:08:22 <charlie-tca> Is is possible to do something like "fortune"?
19:09:05 <charlie-tca> ..
19:09:26 <astraljava> Worth investigating.
19:09:32 <beardygnome> what is "fortune"?
19:09:39 <astraljava> Shouldn't be more than adding a dictionary for it.
19:09:39 <beardygnome> ..
19:09:44 <astraljava> ..
19:09:51 <charlie-tca> A set of statements, that can be rotated daily on your computer
19:10:07 <pleia2> does anyone actually find them useful?
19:10:13 <charlie-tca> faq's?
19:10:16 <charlie-tca> yes
19:10:19 <pleia2> no, the ones on your computer
19:10:31 <beardygnome> oh, like a fortune cookie
19:10:35 <beardygnome> ..
19:10:36 <charlie-tca> It will be the most asked questions from mailing list, #xubuntu, and forums
19:10:51 <charlie-tca> I did enjoy them when I had them working
19:10:52 <pleia2> I like the idea of a FAQ page on the site, not so sure about rotating fortune things anywhere
19:11:13 <charlie-tca> not the fortune statements, rotating the FAQ's?
19:11:19 <beardygnome> me either, might get confusing for people
19:11:45 <charlie-tca> If we have 100 most asked questions, we should rotate them so only 10 at time show up
19:11:50 <pleia2> well I don't like "tips" things in general, I particularly won't like them if it's a FAQ about getting to sound to work when my sound works fine
19:12:10 <pleia2> in fact, it may make me think something is wrong, "my sound is working, is it such a big problem for xubuntu?"
19:12:14 <beardygnome> i agree
19:12:30 <charlie-tca> So, having the question and answer there would be bad?
19:12:32 <beardygnome> if we have 100, isn't that more of a knowledgebase?
19:12:48 <beardygnome> i think question and answer is good
19:12:50 <charlie-tca> 100 is a number
19:12:52 <pleia2> Q&A FAQ on the website is fine, as "tips" on your desktop I don't like
19:12:57 <beardygnome> but not having them rotating
19:13:02 <charlie-tca> our goal right now is the top 10
19:13:15 <charlie-tca> but will the top 10 always be the same question?
19:13:15 <jarnos> Best is to have Xubuntu so easy to use it does not need an FAQ.
19:13:28 <charlie-tca> jarnos: reality, please
19:13:50 <pleia2> I think we should just stick with ~10 for now and go from there
19:13:51 <charlie-tca> Ubuntu will be that easy, but Xfce probably is not going to make it that simple, ever.
19:14:00 <jarnos> charlie-tca, the FAQ could be integrated in user interface.
19:14:22 <charlie-tca> and how will that attract users to the website?
19:14:39 <jarnos> charlie-tca, it doesn't
19:14:47 <charlie-tca> goal here is to get users to the website, not to their computer
19:14:51 <pleia2> maybe we should focus on getting these FAQ written and on the website, and then think about putting them in the help docs on the system sometime later?
19:15:29 <charlie-tca> That is a good goal
19:15:52 <charlie-tca> I would expect these things to already in help, but users don't really look for docs, do they?
19:16:24 <pleia2> I suspect most people just do a google search
19:16:39 <charlie-tca> At least, judging by the number of bug reports for out of date docs in karmic, lucid, and maverick, I don't think they do.
19:17:05 <astraljava> google is too vague and confusing.
19:17:08 <charlie-tca> pleia2: we will plan for these to be on the website, then, right?
19:17:38 <pleia2> charlie-tca: yes
19:17:42 <charlie-tca> Thank you
19:17:48 <charlie-tca> next, we have
19:17:50 <charlie-tca> * start ML discussion on panels, reviews of current panels, launchers on panels, etc - Carried Forward
19:17:57 <charlie-tca> ochosi: did we start this?
19:18:39 <charlie-tca> and we are still calling for
19:18:41 <charlie-tca> * All teams need to review website content
19:18:43 <charlie-tca> * insure http://xubuntu.org/contribute is up to date for each team
19:19:40 <charlie-tca> If you have the ability to update anything there, please make corrections and email them to us. You can send updates to the xubuntu-devel mailing list, charlie-tca AT ubuntu DOT com or post them and give us the URL
19:19:53 <charlie-tca> Any questions?
19:20:21 <charlie-tca> micahg: who do go to for * we will look at getting pavucontrol in the sound preferences
19:20:42 <pleia2> re: contribute you can also submit a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/xubuntu-website
19:20:42 <jarnos> charlie-tca, when I started to use ubuntu, Xubuntu had easier-to-user panels and menu than Ubuntu, in my opinion.
19:20:54 <micahg> charlie-tca: desktop team I think
19:21:10 <charlie-tca> Are you handling this or me?
19:21:38 <micahg> I can do it, just not this week
19:21:41 <charlie-tca> jarnos: still does, but it is not as easy to customize
19:22:57 <charlie-tca> [ACTION] micahg will get with desktop-team about putting pavucontrol in the sound preferences 19:22:57 * meetingology micahg will get with desktop-team about putting pavucontrol in the sound preferences
19:23:33 <charlie-tca> Any questions on Old Business?
19:24:06 <micahg> o/
19:24:15 <charlie-tca> go ahead, micahg
19:24:16 <micahg> charlie-tca: we're talkin about the sound menu, right?
19:24:20 <charlie-tca> yup
19:24:28 <charlie-tca> the thingy in indicators
19:24:51 <charlie-tca> at least, I think so
19:24:59 <charlie-tca> I don't have that anymore in Oneiric
19:25:08 <micahg> right, so that's going to require changes in pavucontrol to actually work most probably, so it's actually not so simple to just add, I guess I glossed over that last itme
19:25:09 <micahg> *time
19:25:28 <charlie-tca> oh
19:25:35 <charlie-tca> so, maybe we can't have it there
19:25:41 <micahg> the indicators work over dbus
19:25:45 <charlie-tca> But it is worth asking, isn't it?
19:25:54 <micahg> the question is does lennart have any interest in inidicators...
19:26:06 <charlie-tca> Maybe we should file a bug for it?
19:26:59 <charlie-tca> That might be the easiest way to deal with it
19:27:08 <micahg> yeah
19:27:22 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Team Updates
19:27:22 <meetingology> TOPIC: Team Updates
19:27:31 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Packaging & Development
19:27:31 <meetingology> TOPIC: Packaging & Development
19:27:41 <charlie-tca> mr_pouit or micahg : your turn
19:28:50 <micahg> so, mr_pouit got the indicators working in xubuntu oneiric again
19:28:57 <charlie-tca> yes!
19:29:18 <charlie-tca> live session is still broken
19:29:37 <charlie-tca> anything else exciting happening?
19:29:40 <micahg> yes, mr_pouit cleaned up that bug report so that the intent is clearer now
19:30:12 <micahg> I'll upload libgtk2-notify-perl later tonight, that's one of the few things holding libnotify1 on the CD
19:31:14 <micahg> I think that's it, we should probably try to confirm defaults for this cycle soon as feature freeze is 4 weeks away
19:31:23 <micahg> *as possible
19:32:11 <charlie-tca> (..)
19:32:26 <micahg> .. (sorry, forgot)
19:32:29 <charlie-tca> Np
19:32:40 <charlie-tca> it will take us a while to learn to use it, I think
19:33:04 <charlie-tca> um, Do we need to get pavucontrol and pastebinit in before feature freeze?
19:33:19 <charlie-tca> Also, file-roller vs xarchiver?
19:33:38 <micahg> file-roller is back and the problem with that was solved (dropped nautilus recommends)
19:34:07 <micahg> I think ideally we should even if we don't have a release impetus as then we get 2 months to make sure it's the right decision
19:35:23 <micahg> pavucontrol hasn't had a release in 2 yrs, there doesn't seem to be much upstream development, pastebinit is pretty active though
19:35:35 <charlie-tca> but pavucontrol works
19:36:27 <charlie-tca> Sometimes there is no need for further development, because things are working
19:37:04 <micahg> true, but that's a downside if we want stuff like indicator support :0
19:37:26 <charlie-tca> oh, yeah, I guess it would be
19:37:44 <charlie-tca> Okay, maybe we just get it in defaults then
19:37:58 <charlie-tca> I can close the action item
19:38:22 <charlie-tca> Any questions for our esteemed developers?
19:38:31 <micahg> well, if we don't need indicator support and it works by itself, then we can include it
19:39:04 <charlie-tca> yup, it is working, and we don't *have* to have indicator support
19:39:46 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Bug Triage and Testing
19:39:46 <meetingology> TOPIC: Bug Triage and Testing
19:40:10 <charlie-tca> Many thanks to the testers for all their hard work. Alpha2 made it out the door
19:42:49 <charlie-tca> A big part of that is the daily testing we are doing. Alpha2 was a very difficult milestone to release, as can be seen by the flavours not releasing it.
19:43:17 <charlie-tca> We knew in advance where the worst issues were, and had workarounds for most of the issues.
19:43:33 <charlie-tca> Keep the bugs coming in, please
19:44:06 <charlie-tca> We are tracking the Oneiric bugs at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Bugs/OneiricOcelot
19:44:18 <charlie-tca> Any questions for Bugs and Testing?
19:45:18 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Website & Marketing
19:45:18 <meetingology> TOPIC: Website & Marketing
19:45:25 <charlie-tca> Any updates for the website?
19:45:32 <knome> nope, not right now,
19:45:39 <knome> but we're testing the imgcapt plugin
19:45:52 <knome> and hopefully soon the picslide plugin as well
19:46:06 <charlie-tca> o/
19:46:52 <knome> (hey)
19:47:17 <charlie-tca> I tried to test the plugin, but maybe I don't know how?
19:47:25 <charlie-tca> It doesn't seem to do anything for me
19:47:49 <charlie-tca> ..
19:48:11 <knome> do you have javascript disabled?
19:49:18 <charlie-tca> no, preferences says "Enable javascript" and that is checked 19:49:26 * charlie-tca slaps himself...
19:49:39 <charlie-tca> Do I have to install java, too?
19:49:50 <knome> nope, you shouldn't need java
19:50:01 <knome> we can go through this after the meeting if you want
19:50:21 <charlie-tca> Iced-Tea plugin is installed
19:50:36 <charlie-tca> Anyone else try to test the imgcapt plugin?
19:50:46 <pleia2> yep, I sent knome some feedback earlier
19:51:00 <knome> pleia2, yup, i just read it, and i'll get back to you in a sec
19:51:00 <charlie-tca> okay, I will get with you, knome
19:51:05 <knome> good
19:51:08 <pleia2> worked well for me, just some usability nitpicks
19:51:33 <charlie-tca> I am sure it is my settings, somehow. I seem to be able to make anything fail completely, these days.
19:52:09 <charlie-tca> Any other questions or comments for website?
19:52:29 <pleia2> I added a link to our artwork page to our marketing page last week, so now it should be easier to find the logos
19:52:48 <charlie-tca> Thank you so much for that!
19:53:00 <knome> still need to get through the website as well as the wiki page to make sure it's current
19:53:08 <charlie-tca> It is the little things that will help us.
19:53:31 <charlie-tca> +1 knome
19:53:48 <charlie-tca> We need people to look over what is at http://xubuntu.org, please
19:54:23 <charlie-tca> If everybody here goes and looks it over, it will be pretty easy to get everything up to date.
19:54:44 <charlie-tca> ..
19:55:35 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Artwork and Documentation
19:55:35 <meetingology> TOPIC: Artwork and Documentation
19:56:21 <charlie-tca> plantoschka did a great job on the news release. Now we just need some blog articles we can add!
19:56:33 <charlie-tca> ochosi: are you around?
19:58:09 <plantoschka> thanks
20:00:30 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Announcements
20:00:30 <meetingology> TOPIC: Announcements
20:00:54 <charlie-tca> * Ubuntu Developer Week happening all week, 16:00 to 20:00 UTC
20:01:19 <charlie-tca> Channel is #ubuntu-classroom and #ubuntu-classroom-chat
20:01:39 <charlie-tca> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek/Sessions
20:01:42 <knome> does xubuntu have a session?
20:01:47 <charlie-tca> nope
20:02:03 <charlie-tca> I did not get around to it, and no one else volunteered
20:02:07 <knome> okay
20:02:11 <knome> i must have missed that
20:03:18 <charlie-tca> Important dates coming up:
20:03:21 <charlie-tca> 10.04.3 Release: July 21, 2011
20:03:23 <charlie-tca> 11.10 Alpha 3: August 4, 2011
20:03:25 <charlie-tca> 11.10 FeatureFreeze : August 11, 2011
20:03:27 <charlie-tca> 11.10 Release Date: October 13, 2011
20:03:45 <charlie-tca> We will not be releasing 10.04.3, but will be involved with testing Ubuntu.
20:04:20 <charlie-tca> * The next meeting will be on Sunday, 2011-07-17 at 22:00 UTC
20:04:59 <charlie-tca> Thunderbird is now the default email client in Ubuntu, it has replaced Evolution
20:05:09 <charlie-tca> [TOPIC] Any Other Business
20:05:09 <meetingology> TOPIC: Any Other Business
20:05:17 <charlie-tca> Anything anyone wants to discuss?
20:05:39 <charlie-tca> Let's welcome beardygnome back; it has been a while since he was here!
20:05:49 <charlie-tca> ..
20:05:53 <beardygnome> cheers charlie - been busy working on the new house
20:06:08 <beardygnome> building sheds, bookcases etc
20:06:33 <beardygnome> hoping to get back into some geek stuff now
20:06:36 <beardygnome> ..
20:07:19 <knome> building applications, code etc?
20:07:30 <charlie-tca> huh?
20:07:36 <knome> nvm
20:07:44 <charlie-tca> sure
20:07:50 <knome> (from building sheds to building apps...)
20:08:00 <charlie-tca> ah!
20:08:10 <charlie-tca> Anything ?
20:08:33 <charlie-tca> Let's go ahead and finish up then. I will all you good people on Sunday.
20:09:00 <charlie-tca> Thanks for attending the meeting. Your participation is absolutely necessary to the welfare of Xubuntu!
20:09:08 <charlie-tca> #endmeeting