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11:04   maxamillion     Everyone here for Xubuntu meeting?
11:04   Jester45        i am
11:04   philth  aye!
11:05   vidd_laptop     yes
11:05   cellofellow     I guess. :P
11:05   vidd_laptop     if they are not, they can stay anyway
11:06   maxamillion     ok .... current time on my irssi window says 2206UTC so I guess we shall begin
11:06   vidd_laptop     what is first on the meeting agenda?
11:06   maxamillion     Cody was not able to make the meeting today so he asked me to attempt to provide some direction and touch on a few key points that need to be discussed
11:07   maxamillion     first item up is Documentation efforts and their current state of organization
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11:07   maxamillion     Maximilian1st: welcome
11:07   cellofellow     occasional gobby sessions aren't exactly organized.
11:07   Maximilian1st   Hi max
11:07   maxamillion     for the sake of Maximilian1st ....
11:07   Maximilian1st   thanks
11:07   maxamillion     first item up is Documentation efforts and their current state of organization
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11:07   Maximilian1st   :-)
11:08   vidd_laptop     who is "the man" as far as documentation?
11:08   maxamillion     vidd_laptop: that i don't know ....
11:08   maxamillion     but here is a wiki break down of documentation as it stands ... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Xubuntu/Documentation/Wiki?highlight=%28xubuntu%29
11:10   maxamillion     i think we should find a more organized way for contributors to "sign up" for sections they would like to work on and that way showing other users what parts of the official documentation are already being worked on (also, if you are to work on a section that someone else is working on please be in contact with them so we aren't doing work over again)
11:10   maxamillion     thoughts, questions, comments?
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=== vidd_laptop has noticed most of the xubuntu documentation is rehashed ubuntu documentation
11:11   vidd_laptop     a lot, anyway'
11:12   vidd_laptop     to the point thaT some instructions say to use "gedit"
11:12   vidd_laptop     are we going to have a complete and seperate section of documentation...like kubuntu does?
11:13   maxamillion     it is, but there are alot of Xubuntu specifics that go into our documentation that aren't a part of theirs such as network configuration, basic UI customization, etc. ... the differences have to do with the xfce DE and the applications Xubuntu uses compared to ubuntu
11:14   maxamillion     yes, we are ... just like we did with dapper (apparently it got skipped because lack of man power for docs... a problem we don't want to have happen again)
=== vidd_laptop will volunteer to work on networking and wireless networking documentation
11:15   maxamillion     ok, for sake of momentum can we agree to find a way to implement a structured wiki sign up for documentation sections?
11:16   vidd_laptop     agreed
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11:17   maxamillion     next order of business is Artwork ... there is deadline 1 coming up for artwork, which i believe JMak is in charge of, but it doesn't appear that he is here so I think I will email him about it later
11:17   maxamillion     moving along is Herd 3 Testing and the new testing procedure https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/ReportingResults
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11:19   maxamillion     Again, just as we had with the Herd2 testing I think we will have a sign up on the wiki for where users can sign up for what they would like to participate with but I think all results should be submitted via the requested procedure found the wiki link i just posted about the new testing
11:19   Jester45        time for release?
11:20   maxamillion     Jester45: very good question ... sadly I lack the answer, but I'm pretty sure it is coming up soon ... it will be announced in #xubuntu, one the -devel and -users mailing lists, on xubuntu.org in the news feed section, and on ubuntuforums.org when it does happen
11:21   vidd_laptop     when are we going to acually see the new default icon sets and themes?
11:21   maxamillion     I will speak with Cody tonight and see if we can get a wiki setup similar to the one for Herd2 but compensate for the new testing style
11:22   maxamillion     vidd_laptop: i am under the impression that is what the artwork deadline is about, so i am personally hoping for herd3 image to have them
11:22   maxamillion     vidd_laptop: that question also kinda ties into the next order of business ...
11:22   maxamillion         *
11:23   maxamillion           How can we improve the default Xubuntu settings (ie. panel setup, applet setup, etc.)? How can we learn from other Xfce4 based distros to improve our default settings/setup?
11:23   maxamillion     thoughts, questions, comments?
11:24   vidd_laptop     i think we should go to the "one taskbar" setup, and incluse a menu bar similar to dapper, as opposed to edgy
11:24   maxamillion     this is where community input is most needed in my opinion, because its the community that is going to use it daily and endorse it personally, so why not make it what you want? (or atleast as close to what _you_ want as long as the group can come to a neutral agreement)
11:24   Jester45        i think it should stay the same
11:25   Jester45        one thing i would really like is a drag/drop menu
11:25   maxamillion     i think it should stay the way it is too ... alot of what people enjoy about the current setup is its uniformity with Ubuntu and with the general look of Gnome, which i think is a positive thing
11:25   Maximilian1st   As a simple user I use a single panel centered on the bottom. If that can help you out a bit.
11:25   Jester45        so you can drag the links around to your best use
11:25   vidd_laptop     we should reinstate the terminal, file manager and "run" on the menu
11:26   maxamillion     Jester45: don't quote me on this, but i think you might be able to do that in Xfce4.4-stable which is in feisty
11:26   Jester45        maxamillion: then no need to add that:)
11:26   Jester45        Maximilian1st: i think there should still be a top bar to hold the menu and firefox
11:27   maxamillion     vidd_laptop: yes, i agree ... there is actually also talk about writing a panel plugin that creates links to "Places" just like the Gnome second menu does ... so we will kinda be faking a second menu (i don't know if it will happen, but it was discussed)
11:28   Jester45        maxamillion: links as in internet site link?
11:28   Jester45        or folder links
=== vidd_laptop thinks the "places" menu like gnome should be an option, not default
11:29   maxamillion     Jester45: agreed .... I think we will be sticking with the current panel layout for uniformity, because if we can get our defaul installation to resemble Ubuntu almost "to the T" then I think more Ubuntu users will consider it as an alternative (especially because of its light weight aspect)
11:29   Jester45        yes i agree with vidd_laptop
11:29   maxamillion     Jester45: folder links ... $HOME, Trash, etc. ... just popular things users tend to want easier access to)
11:30   maxamillion     well, like i said ... it's only been talked about, i'm not sure any code has even been drafted for it
11:30   vidd_laptop     is there (or will there be) a way to drag and drop menu items to the desktop to create shortcuts?
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11:30   vidd_laptop     and vise versa?
11:31   maxamillion     vidd_laptop: that i don't know .. I haven't tested the full functionality of Xfce4.4-stable
11:31   Maximilian1st   There won't be before 4.6
11:31   Jester45        i dont like the idea of the trash bin menu stuff i dont like the trashbin to begin with
11:31   Maximilian1st   You can use the appfinder to do some d&d
11:32   maxamillion     interesting tour about Xfce4.4-Stable .... all these features will be in Feisty http://www.xfce.org/about/tour
11:34   vidd_laptop     maxamillion, i see in that tour that a2ps is needed for mousepad to print....
11:34   maxamillion     that is all that appeared to be on the agenda for the evening, so i guess we could move to an open forum ...
11:34   vidd_laptop     we going to have a work around, or will a2ps be included by default?
11:34   maxamillion     vidd_laptop: it might be, there has always been issued with mousepad being able to print
11:35   maxamillion     vidd_laptop: not sure, i would have to ask Jani about that
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11:36   vidd_laptop     any other business?
11:36   maxamillion     vidd_laptop: nope ... just open forum for any questions, concerns, or comments
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11:37   vidd_laptop     has a chat program been choosen as default yet?
11:37   maxamillion     i believe it is still Gaim
11:37   vidd_laptop     gaim is an IM program....
11:37   maxamillion     vidd_laptop: it does irc
11:38   vidd_laptop     ill see you on -offtopic in a few then to discuss that
11:38   vidd_laptop     =]
11:38   vidd_laptop     what about an FTP program?
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11:40   maxamillion     vidd_laptop: i am actually working on getting gFTP in feisty, but i don't know if it will happen
11:41   vidd_laptop     what is holding it back?
11:41   maxamillion     vidd_laptop: i keep bringing it up, but i don't know if it will make the cut
11:41   maxamillion     vidd_laptop: i'm not entirely sure to be honest
11:42   vidd_laptop     i think we need to compile a list of "must-have" apps (types-not specific)
11:42   vidd_laptop     so we can get some kind of consensus of what kind of apps this distro should have by default
11:43   maxamillion     vidd_laptop: not a bad idea .... I will look into starting a spec for "required apps" on the wiki and we can pass it along to Jani once we have it fine tuned
11:43   vidd_laptop     one other thing....
11:44   vidd_laptop     the volume control panel app should be enabled by default.....
11:44   vidd_laptop     i see so many questions about volume buttons not working
11:44   vidd_laptop     and if the volume control panel app is enabled, they do work
11:45   maxamillion     vidd_laptop: good point, another thing that should be brought up in the -devel mailing lists
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11:49   maxamillion     well .... its 50 after and business seems to have been concluded so I think i will call this meeting to a close, thanks to all those who attended and participated