Xubuntu_2006-05-10
03:34 janimo hi all 03:35 Gloubiboulga hey janimo :) 03:35 janimo no agenda for today :) === MidMark [n=MidMark@host-84-221-196-191.cust-adsl.tiscali.it] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 03:35 Gloubiboulga nop 03:36 Gloubiboulga I've pinged nomed on #xubuntu 03:36 janimo ok I'll just shortly describe what I am working on now and if anyone has quetsions go ahead 03:37 janimo so uploaded Gloubiboulga's goffice patch, is needed for both gnumeric and abiword to install without gnome deps 03:37 janimo am updating the packages one by one towards xfce 4.4beta2 03:37 janimo and closing lp bugs which have fixes upstream 03:38 janimo will need to get the final artwork and doc packages in this week. 03:39 janimo still need to look at the cdbs packages we want to have -gtk binaries biult from === nomed [n=nomed@host124-124.pool872.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:39 nomed hi all 03:39 janimo hi nomed 03:39 Gloubiboulga hi there nomed 03:40 Gloubiboulga I'll attach a new gnumeric patch on the LP bug in a few minutes 03:41 Gloubiboulga I've had some feedback from french users on the ubuntu-fr forum 03:41 Gloubiboulga most of them would like to see volumes mounted in /media on the desktop 03:42 Gloubiboulga windows partitions for example 03:42 janimo yeah I had that feedback too 03:42 Gloubiboulga is it something planned upstream? 03:42 janimo does gnome/nautilus do that? 03:42 nomed i told it :P 03:42 janimo nomed, form someone else too :) 03:42 nomed janimo, yep 03:42 Gloubiboulga janimo, I think nautilus does this 03:42 janimo Gloubiboulga: upstream has no plans usually ;) 03:42 Gloubiboulga hehe 03:43 janimo but not for 4.4 I think === spikeb [n=spikeb@207-118-209-65.dyn.centurytel.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:43 nomed janimo, i mean that xfdesktop sould read fstab and proc/mounts even .. 03:43 janimo and only those in /media or anything in fstab? 03:43 nomed not just removable hal devices 03:43 janimo nomed, it's a thunar issue rather xfdesktop 03:43 janimo as the latter uses thunar vfs for this 03:43 nomed true 03:44 janimo so if thunar had those in it's shortcuts... 03:44 janimo maybe file a requesns against thunar in xfce bugzilla? 03:44 janimo not sure if this was discussed or not before === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:44 nomed janimo, i guess it's too late :( 03:44 janimo especially on the liveCD it would be nice to show the mounatble partitions 03:45 janimo nomed, we should not underestimate benny's speed ;) 03:45 nomed benny will not implement it on the stable release i'm afraid 03:45 nomed we can try .. 03:45 janimo I am not sure how complicated it is though 03:45 janimo anyway it can be a request and implemented for etch or thunar 1.0 or whatever 03:45 nomed it may introduce complexity and bugs on a stable code 03:46 Mithrandir janimo: https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/casper/+bug/16356 is the bug for the live cd, fwiw. 03:46 janimo true 03:46 Ubugtu Malone bug 16356 in casper "LiveCD does not mount hard disk partitions (yet)" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] 03:46 janimo Mithrandir: oh, but otherwise it is planned to have them all mounted? 03:46 janimo autmatically? 03:47 nomed Mithrandir, the problem is that xfce doesn't show those partitions even on installed system :( 03:47 nomed and even if mounted 03:47 janimo xfce is evil 03:47 Mithrandir janimo: possibly. I'm not too sure I want to mount, say, ext3 since the machine might be suspended in which case we end up with data loss 03:48 janimo nomed: thunar already parses fstab in case hal-pmount does not work, or to double check something I forgot so the code is there 03:48 janimo but there may be UI and other issues, rather that code complexity 03:48 nomed janimo, in this case could be a little step 03:49 nomed strange benny didn't add it yet 03:50 janimo ok anything else? 03:50 janimo nomed so regarding the new theme, you talk to jmak and when you both agree I upload ok? 03:50 nomed ok 03:50 janimo and I say stick to clearlooks instead of ubuntulooks 03:50 nomed janimo, why ? 03:50 janimo someone mentioned in the art list the latter uses cairo 03:51 janimo that's a good enoug reason if true 03:51 janimo enough 03:51 nomed janimo, and clearlooks ? 03:51 spikeb clearlooks uses cairo as well 03:51 nomed yep 03:51 janimo ok, than he was not well informed 03:51 nomed and it fast anyway it seems .. 03:51 janimo and me neither apparently 03:51 nomed it's even 03:52 janimo but I don;t like the blue contour around selected items in jmak;s latest proposal 03:52 janimo it is disturbing at first at least 03:52 janimo I added ubuntuloooks to xubuntu-desktop anyway 03:53 janimo but I'd like we stuck with a default look already :) 03:53 nomed janimo, what is that blue contour ? 03:53 nomed i don't see it :/ 03:53 janimo jmak, sent me a gtkrc 03:53 spikeb it'd be most logical to use ubuntulooks as the default - least amount of work 03:53 janimo I droped in in .usr/share./themes 03:54 janimo and highlighted items have a blue glow ariund them 03:54 nomed spikeb, agree 03:54 nomed janimo, i agree here too 03:54 janimo spikeb: is using clearlooks more work? 03:54 nomed that's what i told to jmak 03:54 nomed and what i'd like to correct 03:54 nomed and even to use a ligther blue for selected items 03:54 janimo and the scrollbars also have some sci-fi blueish effects too 03:54 spikeb janimo: i meant as opposed to making something else - not clearlooks vs ubuntulooks 03:55 nomed the text is black and that blue is too dark 03:55 nomed spikeb, that's sure :) 03:55 janimo spikeb: right, we now just talk of whetherit's wort chosing ubuntulooks over clearlooks which is the default now 03:55 nomed we'll not code a new engine .. i guess 03:55 spikeb ahh ok 03:55 nomed even if i think it could be needed a notification-daemon theme 03:55 janimo I very much like current theme 03:56 janimo although I very much like anything I start using for more than a few days 03:56 nomed janimo, that is ? 03:56 nomed default clearlooks ? 03:56 janimo clearlooks, yes 03:56 nomed janimo, my idea was to have same theme 03:56 nomed clearlooks 03:56 nomed meaning .. same colors 03:56 janimo right, + gtkrc settings 03:56 nomed but using ubuntulooks 03:56 janimo what is the difference? 03:56 nomed ubuntulooks is ubuntu engine 03:57 janimo right, but from a user POV? 03:57 nomed well .. i guess they considered some usability and accessibility stuff .. 03:57 janimo we may need some more info on the reason for ubuntulooks, and the diffs between them 03:57 janimo it's package deskkription is the same as clearlooks' 03:58 janimo we don't aim to be as polished as ubuntu, since we don;t have as many resources now 03:58 nomed janimo, ex .. i like very much the ubuntulooks scrollbar .. 03:58 janimo so I'd prefer spending time on uploading bugfixes :) 03:58 nomed it's really much better then the clearlooks one 03:59 janimo ok, I'll try ubuntulooks myslef 03:59 nomed janimo, if you selected jmak theme you're already using it === bimberi [n=bimberi@ubuntu/member/pdpc.active.bimberi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:59 spikeb polish should come later - making it work should come first :) 03:59 janimo so you and jmak, post a gtkrc theme to the list when ready (not to me personally) 03:59 nomed janimo, yep 03:59 janimo and tell poeple where to put it and how to try it out 03:59 janimo then after some informal poll we see 04:00 janimo I dont' want to keep uploading artwork which changes a bit every couple days :) 04:00 janimo it takes too much time 04:00 nomed janimo, my idea was to sync it with tango and icon naming utils update 04:00 janimo agreed 04:00 nomed as the patch has been sent .. 04:00 nomed and it should be integrated soon 04:00 janimo ok, than we just wait till taht arrives 04:01 janimo as for the tangerine extras discussion, again whatever you/dholbach/art list decides 04:01 janimo as long as it's a common decision which affects ubuntu too I am fine with it 04:01 nomed janimo, this is an endles loop :) 04:01 janimo I just don;t want to package a new theme just for us 04:02 ogra nomed, dont worry it will go on over the releases ;) 04:02 nomed dholbach, waits you and Gloubiboulga + artists suggestion .. 04:02 janimo tango is just fine, and if you have the fix for the settings manager even better 04:02 nomed i wait dholbach .. 04:02 nomed and so on .. 04:02 dholbach janimo: i'd be happy to hear something on the ubuntu-art list 04:02 nomed ogra, hehe i hope :) 04:02 janimo dholbach: hear what?from me? :) 04:03 janimo I am not sure what else needs imporving as I am pretty happy with current xubuntu icon/artwork 04:03 janimo and unhappy about some bugs I'd like to fix ;) 04:03 dholbach ok 04:03 dholbach same here 04:03 dholbach oh well 04:03 dholbach i'll talk with andreasn about it 04:03 janimo dholbach: so if tangerine/tango is common to ubuntu/xubuntu I go with whatever ubuntu decides 04:03 spikeb i dont know how much my input matters, but i'm rather happy with what i see so far regarding the look 04:03 nomed janimo, xubuntu artwork is not "homogeneus" 04:04 dholbach it's just that i don't want to make decisions on something i don't have an overview over and do unnecessary work, if I can evade it 04:04 janimo nomed: right, so we need some more polish but only if it does not take up resources from more important work 04:04 dholbach that's why I asked ubuntu-art 04:04 dholbach i'm pretty packed with work as it is 04:04 janimo that's why I am happy to let you and jmak decide and ping me with final stuff 04:04 janimo after the input from xubu users is ok === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:04 nomed i think if it was possible to install from Tangerine/*/apps 04:05 nomed to Tango/*/apps 04:05 nomed that would solve everything .. 04:05 dholbach if somebody does a list and says: "we're ok with the change, please do it", I can do that 04:06 spikeb sounds to me like everyone wants an art freeze 04:06 nomed dholbach, a list of "tango-icon-theme-apps.install" ? 04:06 dholbach nomed: things that need moving from tangerine to some more common package 04:06 nomed dholbach, ok 04:06 nomed it should be not that difficult 04:06 dholbach I'm out for a walk (and some deserved icecream :-) ). Follow up on the mail or ping me privately. 04:06 janimo nomed: thanks 04:06 dholbach nomed: thanks 04:06 nomed whatever is in Tangerine but not in tango 04:06 nomed i'll do that 04:07 dholbach cool 04:07 janimo nomed, so we keep using tango ok? 04:07 janimo + these extras you will list 04:07 dholbach nomed: if you can follow up on the list with that, I'd be grateful, as it will need discussion 04:07 nomed janimo, this was decided no ? :) 04:07 janimo I never know when it comes to icon themes :) 04:07 nomed dholbach, it seems ppl are not really interested on it 04:07 nomed but yes 04:07 nomed i'll try to do that with lapo and andreas 04:07 dholbach nomed: thanks. 04:08 dholbach rock 04:08 dholbach see you guys later! 04:08 janimo dholbach: by 04:08 janimo e 04:08 janimo ok anything else to discuss? 04:08 nomed well .. 04:08 nomed ogra, maybe you can help me here 04:08 ogra ? 04:08 nomed i'd like to add some spec for edgy .. 04:08 nomed xubuntu stuff 04:09 nomed as it's full of spec we can't implement for dapper but we wouldn't forget for edgy 04:09 nomed i tried to figure out in LP how to do that .. 04:09 nomed but it's not really clear 04:09 nomed should i just write a wiki page .. 04:09 nomed and care of it later ? 04:10 Gloubiboulga (if there's no more discussion for dapper I'm off for a moment...) === doc__ [n=doc@CPE-72-128-84-225.wi.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === j_ack [n=nico@p508D89BE.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === doc__ [n=doc@CPE-72-128-84-225.wi.res.rr.com] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 04:14 nomed ok need to go now cu later === nomed [n=nomed@host124-124.pool872.interbusiness.it] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["/etc/init.d/nomed] 04:14 janimo by 04:14 janimo end of meeting I guess 04:15 janimo have a nice day all
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