Xubuntu_2006-03-17
05:01 janimo Gloubiboulga: no news on netswitch yet
05:01 Gloubiboulga janimo, nothing new
05:01 janimo btw is it using /etc/n/interfaces or some custom config of its own?
05:02 janimo from the website it seems it aims to be like network manager
05:02 Gloubiboulga it uses its own config iirc
05:02 janimo ah, hmm it may not be good for main after all if it does not do things the
debian way
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05:03 janimo shall we wait for soumyadip ?
05:04 janimo let's start then
05:04 nomed janimo, we wait him to discuss localisation issues
05:04 janimo 1) panel plugins
05:04 nomed yep
05:04 Gloubiboulga we can move the 2nd item to the end if he's late imo
05:04 Gloubiboulga ok, just a quick look at those plugins
05:04 janimo the plugins not uploaded so far are those which do not seem to work
05:04 janimo for all of us
05:05 janimo weather and diskperf are in this categpry
05:05 Gloubiboulga except the clipman plugin
05:05 janimo the rest are not yet ported
05:05 janimo I uploaded clipman today :)
05:05 Gloubiboulga ok :)
05:05 janimo dii not update the wiki though
05:05 Gloubiboulga xkb is ready, I can package it quickly
05:05 nomed janimo, Gloubiboulga it's strange that weather works fine here
05:05 janimo Gloubiboulga: cool I just wanted to ask you about it
05:05 nomed was it in breezy ?
05:06 janimo nomed: yes
05:06 janimo it wass buggy though
05:06 Gloubiboulga for all the not-yet-ported plugins, the author are working on them
05:06 janimo I could not change kb layout using it
05:06 janimo Gloubiboulga: great
05:06 Gloubiboulga except lua plugin
05:06 janimo Gloubiboulga: that's irrelevamt to most users
05:06 janimo too techincal
05:06 janimo so not a priority
05:06 Gloubiboulga ok, so we can just forget it I guess
05:07 janimo right, or package it if it gets ported
05:07 Gloubiboulga yep
05:07 janimo prioroty is weather/dsikperf/xkb
05:07 janimo especially xkb for localisation
05:07 janimo screenshot plugin seems not to be a good idea as upstream said
05:07 Gloubiboulga xkb will soon be packaged :)
05:07 janimo so I may juts make it an executable
05:08 janimo Gloubiboulga: I know, I just wanted to stress that it's the most important
plugin issing right now IMO
05:08 janimo Gloubiboulga: I loooked in goodies svn two days ago and saw nothing
05:08 Gloubiboulga ok
05:08 janimo so assumed xkb is no worked on
05:08 Gloubiboulga janimo, the author emailed me this morning that it's ready
05:09 janimo great
05:09 janimo anything else to add for plugins?
05:09 janimo if not 3) archiver
05:09 Gloubiboulga we should remove datetime and xfce4-toys from the archives imo
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05:09 janimo Gloubiboulga: datetime is replaced too?
05:09 nomed and add a meta pkge ?
05:09 janimo with toys I agree it is just not easy to remove from the arch
05:09 nomed with all the working plugins ?
05:09 janimo busy admins
05:10 Gloubiboulga janimo, datetime is not working iirc, and there are similar plugins with the
panel
05:10 janimo nomed, lets' wait till it's clear which plugins make it to dapper
05:10 nomed k
05:10 janimo I add the plugins one by one to xubunt-desktop so we know explictely what is
tested and deemd ok for default install
05:11 janimo Gloubiboulga: ok, there are some other xfce pkgs which need purging from the
arch will need to ask for all of them in the same time
05:11 Gloubiboulga ok
05:11 janimo the old 4.2 plugins + toys
05:11 janimo old xfprint xfdesktop if they are still there, xterminal
05:12 janimo old package names which we used in hoary
05:12 janimo 3)archiver
05:12 nomed ok
05:12 nomed the devel is working actively on it during these days
05:12 nomed the release 0.4 will be just when iso support will be fixed
05:13 nomed in the mean time i asked him to use a version control
05:13 janimo you mention thunar plugin for 0.4 to in the wiki
05:13 janimo is that so?
05:13 nomed he's happy with bzr at the end
05:13 nomed yep
05:13 janimo good
05:13 janimo so will he take care of integrating the plugin? I did not look at it
05:13 nomed he'll add an --extract opt
05:13 nomed and he will work on thunar plugin then
05:13 janimo oh but we do the thunar bits right?
05:13 janimo ok
05:13 nomed then ..
05:14 nomed i think we should pkge it from bzr
05:14 nomed help him on solving issues
05:14 janimo ok
05:14 janimo I agree
05:14 nomed then 0.4 should be ready for dapper
05:14 janimo we still have to test if it is stable, does not eat data
05:14 janimo and this kind of stuff
05:14 nomed janimo, he sent me new two patches
05:14 janimo since it is a potentially destructive app
05:15 nomed now it should be mostly bug free
05:15 janimo nomed, let's wait for bzr if he promised Monday
05:15 nomed the known bugs are gone
05:15 janimo which were they btw?
05:15 nomed i'll have a gmail chat session with him
05:15 nomed i'll help him on that
05:15 nomed i'll mail you when ready
05:15 janimo ok
05:15 janimo I just noticed the png not found warnig at start
05:15 nomed janimo, adding files to an archive
05:16 nomed for the 2 3 times
05:16 nomed had some issues
05:16 nomed not anymore
05:16 Gloubiboulga janimo, netswitch author has just confirmed, he doesn't use
/etc/network/interfaces
05:16 janimo hmm, it would have been better if he released now so we can test and then
fix the iso handling :)
05:16 janimo Gloubiboulga: thanks
05:17 janimo hmm, I would have preferred to be an equivalent of gnome-net-setting without
gnome libs instead of a whole new
05:17 nomed janimo, k i'll ask for it
05:17 janimo incompatible way :)
05:17 nomed i think a 0.3.1 or something like that should be a problem for hi
05:17 nomed m
05:17 janimo 0.3.1 is the last AFAIK
05:17 janimo 4) Dapper Look
05:17 janimo our weak point ;)
05:17 nomed hehehe
05:18 janimo it's good we have 6 more weeks
05:18 nomed the dapper-look chan is not really active
05:18 nomed anymore
05:18 janimo to wait for soemone to do the artwork :)
05:18 nomed but that guy told me he had something ready
05:18 janimo maybe even upstream releases 4.4 by then
05:18 nomed i was not on irc during the week end
05:18 nomed i hope to meet him soon
05:19 janimo but once we have ISOs I think there's going to be more contributions in this
area for sure
05:19 janimo which leads us to 5)
05:19 janimo ISO images
05:19 Gloubiboulga is there something scheduled for this ?
05:19 janimo they are approved but still blocked
05:19 janimo appreved to be supported by canonical so they can go to main
05:20 nomed janimo, we should have it soon
05:20 janimo which is what I thogh was the case so far but was not apparently
05:20 nomed i think we should fix something in capser for xubuntu
05:20 nomed casper
05:20 janimo so we need the pakcages in main than they can build CD-s there are more
people doing that now besides Colin Watson
05:20 janimo nomed: what?
05:20 nomed janimo, will xubuntu have even a livecd ?
05:21 janimo nomed, I sure hope so
05:21 janimo and an espresso installer
05:21 nomed it's possible we should fix something on them
05:21 nomed casper and espresso
05:21 janimo what exaclty ?do you know something specific or wondering
05:22 janimo espresso shoulf be gtk only
05:22 nomed i've seen casper has some scripts for gnome stuff ..
05:22 nomed i need to take a deeper look on that ..
05:22 nomed but there are gnome specific scripts
05:22 janimo I hope it just looks ate the livecd seed and does the right thing
05:22 nomed and maybe xfce needs some too
05:22 janimo since it works for kde I think it's not gnome dependent
05:23 janimo as soon as we start doing install cd-s I'll take a closer look to the live
seeds
05:23 janimo I did not pay much attention to them
05:23 janimo only to the desktop seed
05:23 Riddell the gtk side of espresso does stuff with turning off gconf, but nothing very
gnome specific
05:24 janimo Riddell: thanks
05:24 nomed i've seen it but i didn't check the code very well ..
05:24 janimo anyway since that is the livecd it may even use some small gnome bits as
long as it does not install them ;)
05:25 janimo so the conclusion is flightX will be available but I cannot estimate when
05:25 nomed janimo, i was thinking on configuration stuff
05:25 janimo since it depends on when packages will be put in main
05:25 janimo nomed, yes/
05:25 janimo ?
05:26 nomed janimo, i'll take a deeper look on that during the week end and i'll be more
specific
05:26 janimo nomed, unrelated: if you like pyxfce you may want to package the bindings
05:26 janimo also the pyexo stuff
05:26 nomed janimo, yep it would be cool ..
05:26 janimo that would sit well with the whole ubuntu line ;)
05:26 nomed but maybe for dapper +1 ?
05:26 janimo nomed, sure
05:27 janimo shouildn't be hard though
05:27 janimo just a small matter of packaging ;)
05:27 nomed yep
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05:28 nomed ehehe
05:28 janimo anything else?
05:28 Gloubiboulga :)
05:28 janimo besides 6) future meetings
05:28 nomed i having that time
05:28 nomed friday is fine for me
05:28 janimo ok I think we could have a fixed weekly schedule for future meetings
05:29 nomed i agree
05:29 Gloubiboulga yep, I agree too
05:29 janimo Friday may not be good for some people
05:29 janimo we should chose a day we have small chances to overlap with other meetings
05:29 janimo edubuntu has their every Wed
05:29 janimo any prefs regarding day/hour?
05:30 janimo what to exclude?
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05:30 nomed i have no problems if i know that in time
05:30 Gloubiboulga same for me
05:31 janimo even during the day? 12-16utc) ?
05:31 Gloubiboulga except tuesday 13-17 UTC and friday before 15 UTC
05:32 janimo Ok let;s have them on Wed 14 UTC
05:32 janimo an hour after edubuntu
05:32 janimo if we show up next time we can keep the same schedule from now on
05:32 nomed ok
05:32 Gloubiboulga fine with me
05:32 ogra janimo, talk to the a11y team
05:32 janimo ogra: they have fixed schdule too?
05:33 ogra they usually have theirs after ours, but no fixed schedule
05:33 janimo hmm soon ubuntu-meeting wil need a scheduler
05:33 janimo ogra, thanks for th eheadsup
05:33 ogra Seveas is working on it ;)
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05:34 janimo ogra, do otrher teams have their fixed days?
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05:34 Seveas janimo, poke the fridge team with your schedule and Ubugtu will know it
05:34 Seveas (ogra: no it's finished so I'm no longer working on it ;))
05:34 ogra janimo, most have ...
05:34 janimo Seveas,we thought we may have a somewhat fixed schedule
05:35 nomed janimo, Gloubiboulga soumyadip is here
05:35 janimo so we dont; forget poking each week :)
05:35 nomed 2. Localisation Issues <--
05:35 janimo soumyadip: hi, we'll talk about scim in a few minutes
05:35 ogra Seveas, nah, thats only the first step ... calendaring isnt a full
scheduling solution yet ;)
05:35 Gloubiboulga hi soumyadip
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05:35 soumyadip hi janimo Gloubiboulga
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05:37 janimo lets' try nex Wed at 14 utc and if it conflicts we postpone it to Thu
05:37 janimo soumyadip: let's talk about scim & co
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05:38 soumyadip janimo, right
05:38 janimo do you have a list of packages which we need in xubuntu so they provide out
of the box functionality for indic langs
05:38 janimo the one you sent to th elist is that?
05:38 soumyadip no that was for scim
05:38 soumyadip IIRC
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05:38 janimo yes
05:38 janimo what else is needed
05:39 janimo I know next to 0 about this subject :(
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05:39 soumyadip we also need the ttf-indic-fonts metapackage, that pulls in all the
individual font packages
05:39 soumyadip we need to look into a couple of aspell packages
05:39 janimo what is the status of ubuntu/kubuntu re this subject
05:40 janimo is this the frentic work in progress at the l10n sprint ?
05:40 G0SUB janimo: much more than that ...
05:40 soumyadip janimo, nah, most of the packages are already in Ubuntu
05:40 soumyadip janimo, we are currently trying to fix a rendering problem on OO2
05:40 janimo GOSUB, I hope the sprint is much more than that not that we need much more
than the sprinters are working on
05:41 soumyadip janimo, well we did solve a rendering issue with firefox
05:41 janimo soumyadip: OO2 does not directly concern xubuntu
05:41 soumyadip ah yes
05:41 janimo soumyadip: so we need to pick the packages which gnome/ubuntu installs for
indic languiages and we;re fine?
05:41 soumyadip janimo, you asked about the frenetic work :)
05:41 soumyadip yup
05:41 janimo soumyadip: ah, ok :)
05:42 soumyadip janimo, apart form one small thing about the locales
05:42 janimo translations for xfce apps?
05:42 janimo I think we'll add language chooser
05:42 soumyadip janimo, well translations are conducted by individual language teams
05:42 soumyadip janimo, great
05:43 janimo when xubuntu packages go to main, the plan is (was) to add them to
langpack-base
05:43 soumyadip janimo, since the language teams work autonomously, not all languages are
translated completely
05:43 G0SUB soumyadip: is XFCE in Rosetta yet?
05:43 soumyadip G0SUB, no
05:43 janimo since they are relatively small
05:43 soumyadip janimo, ok
05:43 G0SUB better get those in then
05:43 soumyadip janimo, I started work on some translations
05:43 janimo not in rosetta bc the policy is AIUI do not put stuff in rosetta if upstream
does not use rosetta
05:44 soumyadip G0SUB, that is not for me to decide
05:44 janimo and xfce is not using it
05:44 janimo soumyadip: great, are you coordinating with xfce i18n
05:45 janimo although if dapper got imported in rosetta may mean that we can use it for
packages indep of upstream
05:45 janimo I am not sure
05:45 soumyadip janimo, no, I'm currently translating .po files and sending them over to
Runa Bhattacharya, who is the contact for Bengali i18n
05:45 janimo soumyadip: apps in general you mean not just xfce?
05:45 soumyadip janimo, no XFCE specific
05:46 soumyadip I started work on thunar
05:46 janimo and Runa sends to xfce then?
05:46 soumyadip janimo, correct
05:46 janimo soumyadip: great
05:47 janimo so input methods, fonts , aspell and language packs
well the bengali translation team is divided between India and Bangladesh,
05:47 soumyadip so importing into rosetta would be beneficial for Bengali at least as people
from both countries could work collaboratively
05:47 janimo of these only input methods is trickier than the latin locales right?
05:47 soumyadip janimo, does XFCE concern itself with hunspell ? there are hunspell
dictionaries too
05:47 soumyadip janimo, yup
05:48 soumyadip janimo, all of them are covered by scim-tables-additional
05:48 janimo soumyadip: they don;t have any app that uses a spell checker afaik
05:48 soumyadip janimo, ok
05:48 janimo is abiword covered?
05:48 Seveas ogra, true, but this channel is not nearly full enough to need a complete
scheduler
05:48 soumyadip janimo, Indic rendering in Abiword is hopelessly broken
05:49 janimo upstream problem?
05:49 soumyadip janimo, yup
05:49 janimo So I guess OO will be used even with xubuntu?
05:49 soumyadip if the user so decides
05:49 janimo well if rendering is broken and user wants indic rendering :)
05:49 soumyadip exactly
05:50 janimo OT: how is koffice in this regard
05:51 Riddell janimo: which?
05:51 janimo indic rendering
05:51 Riddell same as all the rest of KDE
05:51 janimo meaning ? :)
05:52 Riddell I've not heard any complains apart from Kate, so I assume it works
05:52 soumyadip janimo, well I personally haven'ty tested KDE at all
05:52 janimo Riddell: why don;t you ship koffice instead of oo?
05:52 janimo soumyadip: ok, I was just curios if oo had some advantages afetr all
05:52 janimo anything else to discuss?
janimo: koffice lacks a number of features, kword isn't perfectly WYSIWYG,
05:53 Riddell koffice 1.4.0 was quite unstable and their MS import filters are not as good
as openoffice (except kspread) and export filters are non-existant
05:53 janimo so meeting next week Wed 14UTC
05:53 janimo Seveas, can you put it on the fridge ^
05:53 janimo thanks
05:53 Riddell we do ship krita on the CD from koffice
05:54 janimo Riddell: thanks
05:54 soumyadip janimo, ok, I'll play around to see if there are any more issues
05:54 janimo ok thanks everyone we meet next Wed
05:54 nomed cu next Wed
05:54 nomed janimo, one question ...
05:54 Gloubiboulga cu
05:55 G0SUB Gloubiboulga: :)
05:55 janimo nomed: sure
05:55 Gloubiboulga hey G0SUB :)
05:55 Seveas janimo, I'm no fridge person, poke fridge-devel@lists.ubuntu.com
05:55 nomed wouldn't it be possible to have an xubuntu cd using the pkge that are
already in main ?
05:55 janimo Seveas: aha I thought you were
05:56 janimo nomed: only gnome/lde are in main :)
05:56 janimo that's why we dont; have a CD yet
05:56 nomed and just for xubuntu team ?
05:56 nomed ubuntu has already released 5 cds ..
05:57 nomed i hope we'll not have too much issues on xubuntu cds :/
05:57 janimo you mean a cd with packages in universe then?
05:57 nomed yes
05:57 janimo nomed, I hope so too
05:57 janimo but I don;t want to start building and uploading CDs myself
05:58 janimo since it needs bandwidth a lot of time
05:58 nomed i undesrtand
05:58 janimo and mostly skillz :)
05:58 janimo which I am not sure is the best time for me to start learning now
05:58 janimo especially since the CD;s should be done any day now (TM)
05:58 nomed ok
05:58 janimo but I'll ask Colin again
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06:00 nomed so cu next Wed :)
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