Technical_2006-07-18
10:00 ogra hmm, another extremely filled agenda :P 10:00 Hobbsee hiya StevenK! 10:00 Hobbsee ogra: where is said agenda? 10:00 StevenK On the wiki 10:00 ogra https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TechnicalBoardAgenda 10:00 Keybuk ogra: I don't know if we'll get Q tonight 10:00 ogra well, depends on mdz i guess 10:00 Keybuk mdz and sabdfl are at the management love-in in Barcelona 10:00 ogra wasnt that mallorca ? 10:00 Keybuk somewhere in Spain 10:01 ogra yeah 10:01 ogra where the sangria flows 10:01 Hobbsee Keybuk: cant they find someone else to step in and vote if we dont have quorum? 10:01 ogra well, mjg59 is here i think 10:01 ogra is two quorum for the TB ? 10:02 Keybuk two, yes 10:02 mjg59 Evening 10:02 ogra :) 10:02 Hobbsee hi mjg59 10:02 Tonio_ hi mjg59 === StevenK waves to mjg59. 10:02 Keybuk aha 10:02 Keybuk so let's get the party started === StevenK tries and fails to rub the sleep out of his eyes. 10:02 Toadstool hey mjg59 10:02 ogra wuld be a shame if Hobbsee woudnt get approved :P === Hobbsee heads for the coke to wake up 10:03 Keybuk Hobbsee: off you go 10:03 mjg59 Shall we get on with things, then? 10:03 Hobbsee ogra: if that happened, whoever *didnt* do the approving would get me bugging them for all future uploads 10:03 Keybuk Hobbsee: so you want to be an uploader? 10:03 Hobbsee Keybuk: sorry, what do you want? 10:03 Hobbsee Keybuk: yes 10:03 ogra Hobbsee, three liner intro 10:03 Hobbsee https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Hobbsee is the wiki page 10:03 Hobbsee shoot, sorry, i dotn have a three liner today... 10:04 Keybuk Hobbsee: well, introduce yourself === gnomefreak kept her up late with kaffeine === Hobbsee meant to write that, but got sidetracked fixing amarok, and then dealing with kaffeine 10:04 Keybuk "I don't have an introduction, I've been too busy fixing bugs" ... yup, that suffices as an introduction for me <g> 10:04 Hobbsee right, well, i'm Sarah Hobbs, in sydney, and i do a lot of kubuntu stuff 10:04 Hobbsee Keybuk: :P === ogra puts on miniskirt and pompoms === Hobbsee runs at that thought === imbrandon joins ogra 10:05 imbrandon lol 10:05 Keybuk Hobbsee: so you'd be doing more Kubuntu work if you had upload privileges? 10:05 Hobbsee i'm on the Kubuntu Community Council, and i pretty much end up organising a lot of kubuntu 10:05 Hobbsee Keybuk: well, likely, but i also do run out of time, being a full time student, and working as well === LaserJock [n=mantha@ubuntu/member/laserjock] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:05 Hobbsee Keybuk: it's more that i wouldnt have to bug a few million people to have to upload my fixes 10:05 Hobbsee in the future i'll likely go for core dev 10:06 Keybuk are any of those people who have sponsored you so far here today? 10:06 Hobbsee in fact, you could give me those rights today to :P 10:06 StevenK Yes, I'm here. 10:06 Hobbsee Keybuk: sure, StevenK, Riddell, raphink, 10:06 Keybuk StevenK: how have you found Hobbsee's work? 10:06 Hobbsee there are more...brain's not quite here yet 10:06 Riddell I support Hobbsee as MOTU (and main before too long I expect) uploader, she's done great stuff with a lot of kubuntu packages 10:07 StevenK Keybuk: She knows what she's doing. === ogra cheers loudly ... 10:07 Hobbsee Riddell actually approves of me organising and bossing everyone around, which is surprising 10:07 Keybuk mjg59: any questions from you? 10:07 imbrandon and helps other motu hopefulls like myself tremendusly 10:07 Hobbsee ajmitch, bddebian, both of whom arent here 10:07 Tonio_ I can confirm she is extremly active, tracking bugs, providing patches 10:07 mjg59 Sorry, just getting through the wiki page 10:07 Hobbsee zakame too, who also istn here 10:07 Tonio_ and it is a long time effort 10:07 LaserJock Hobbsee's definately an asset to MOTU 10:07 jjesse and those that aren't even motu she is great 10:07 Hobbsee (where is everyone this morning!) 10:08 StevenK Sleeping, duh. 10:08 Hobbsee bah. === ogra waves with the pompoms 10:08 mjg59 Hobbsee: How do you think Kubuntu can be improved, other than simply by adding new packages and fixing bugs? === LaserJock lifts ogra on his shoulders 10:08 ogra haha === imbrandon steals ogra's pompoms to wave them too 10:08 Hobbsee mjg59: well, that's certainly a part of it === toma [[email protected]] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:09 Hobbsee mjg59: since dapper, we've been getting more people interested in development, both me, and then other people as well 10:09 Hobbsee of course, these people have different levels of skills, and are looking for things to do 10:09 mjg59 Hobbsee: So what sort of integration issues do you see as important? 10:09 Hobbsee (sorry for bad spelling, i cant see the keyboard) 10:10 Hobbsee i'm looking at finding things for them to do, and making lists, so that we can put all of our developers to good use, as there's a severe lack of manpower in kubuntu 10:10 Hobbsee Riddell's awesome, but he is only one man. === crimsun [n=crimsun@pdpc/supporter/silver/crimsun] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:10 Hobbsee mjg59: well, stuff like the fact that kubuntu-desktop got removed during upgrade - someone should have tested that, etc. it took a month or so for a screensaver bug to get fixed 10:11 Hobbsee all of that could have been done stacks earlier with the right people in place, and the people who are able to fix such bugs/implement such fixes to have the permissions to do it === Hobbsee suspects that she's going off on a tangent here - sorry, it's still very early 10:11 mjg59 And you have plans for doing so? 10:11 Hobbsee mjg59: yes :) 10:11 mjg59 Excellent 10:11 Hobbsee mjg59: i'll quite likely run out of time though 10:11 mjg59 Happens to the best of us 10:12 Hobbsee mjg59: so i'll probably need to work out something around that 10:12 mjg59 (Argh, argh, I have far too much to do at the moment) 10:12 Hobbsee crimsun: as well on the list of uploaders 10:12 Hobbsee mjg59: i wrote a to-do list yesterday while my car was being serviced - it's shockingly long :P 10:12 mjg59 Riddell: you think Hobbsee would make a good team member, then? 10:12 ogra Hobbsee, just strike everything that hasnt *buntu in it :) 10:13 Keybuk mjg59: did you need any more fly spray? === Hobbsee did a gnome fix recently, and almost died of shock. :P 10:13 mjg59 Keybuk: The flies are, thankfully, history 10:13 Riddell mjg59: certainly do 10:13 mjg59 Ok, I think I'm done 10:14 Keybuk votes@ === ogra cheers a bit more 10:14 Hobbsee hehe :) 10:14 Keybuk an emphatic +1 from me, Hobbsee has been an asset to the team so far! 10:14 mjg59 +1, based on solid recommendations 10:14 Hobbsee yay :D 10:14 ogra YAY 10:14 ogra congrats Hobbsee 10:14 StevenK Woot 10:14 imbrandon congrats 10:14 Toadstool congrats Hobbsee 10:14 Gloubiboulga_ congrats Hobbsee :) === jjesse cheers for Hobbsee 10:14 gnomefreak congrats Hobbsee ;) 10:14 LaserJock \o/ 10:14 Tonio_ congratulations Hobbsee, you really deserve it 10:14 Hobbsee guess i'll have to seriously think about core dev now hey? 10:14 Hobbsee thankyou all :D 10:14 mjg59 Anyone else? 10:14 toma Hobbsee: concrats! === ogra puts on more sane clothes again in case elmo lurks === imbrandon does a little dance , sings a little song .... oops wrong chan 10:15 Toadstool mjg59: yep, me 10:15 Keybuk Toadstool: you're up next 10:15 Toadstool ok thx Keybuk 10:15 Hobbsee haha 10:15 Toadstool I am Jrmie Corbier. 10:15 Toadstool I've been using Ubuntu since Warty and been working on it for about 6 months. I've started with my wide-dhcpv6 package then I've continued with triaging and fixing random bugs. Now i'm packaging a few more apps and libs (mmpython is now in universe and Debian sid). I'm working on slim and freevo too. 10:15 Toadstool LP: https://launchpad.net/people/jcorbier 10:15 Toadstool Wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JeremieCorbier 10:15 Toadstool Hobbsee: :p 10:15 Keybuk Toadstool: what kinds of things have you been doing in Ubuntu so far? 10:16 Keybuk and what kinds of things would you like to do if approved for upload? 10:16 Toadstool I've done a lot of bug triaging and/or fixing in Universe 10:16 Toadstool and I'll keep on working as an Ubuntu squad member 10:16 Keybuk you also do transaltion work, I believe? 10:17 Toadstool indeed 10:17 Toadstool not as much as I would like though 10:17 ogra Toadstool is quite active in #ubuntu-bugs 10:17 Keybuk who has been sponsoring your uploads to date? 10:17 Toadstool Gloubiboulga_, crimsun mainly 10:17 crimsun I've sponsored a few. Jrmie has been doing great work with universe packaging. 10:17 Toadstool and bddebian 10:17 Toadstool there are others === apokryphos [[email protected]] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:17 Toadstool dholbach too but he's not here 10:18 LaserJock I sponsored one of his AMD64 fixes for ghemical, he is also helping a bit with MOTU Science which has been a help 10:18 Gloubiboulga_ yep, his bug fixes are always nice and I never had to tell him to change a thing === j_ack [[email protected]] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:19 Gloubiboulga_ I've also published some of his comments on REVU, and he is really helpuful on #ubuntu-motu too 10:19 Toadstool I forwarded the AMD64 fix for ghemical to Debian and upstream and it was included 10:19 LaserJock yeah, that was nice work 10:19 Toadstool unfortunately, ghemical is heavily broken for the moment :/ 10:19 Keybuk and what kinds of things would you like to do if approved for upload? 10:20 LaserJock Toadstool: it just needs a sync actually :-) 10:20 Toadstool yeah? nice :) 10:21 Toadstool Keybuk: keep on working on bugs first and package some more apps, and help MOTU wannabe 10:21 Toadstool +s 10:21 mjg59 Toadstool: You've done quite a lot of work in collaboration with Debian. What other things do you think we could do to improve that? 10:21 Toadstool there a lot of things moving in the way patches are given back to debian iirc, in the pts for example 10:22 Toadstool and a new chan on oftc has been created to improve communication with debian and 'im already on it :) 10:22 mjg59 Excellent 10:22 Toadstool unfortunately it doesn't have as success as I would have expected first 10:23 Toadstool maybe a lack of advertisement === slomo [n=slomo@ubuntu/member/slomo] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:24 Toadstool i'm trying to report as many debian packaging bugs as possible in the debian bts too 10:24 mjg59 I approve wholeheartedly 10:24 Toadstool and when i package something i try to get it included in sid too 10:25 Toadstool so far, my two packages are in universe and sid 10:25 Keybuk http://people.debian.org/~terpstra/message/20060718.201847.4d546c27.en.html 10:25 Keybuk Toadstool: how do you think we can combat reactions like that ^ from Debian people? 10:25 Keybuk this particular maintainer's response to Ubuntu e-mailing patches has been to killfile us 10:26 Toadstool well, that's a pity that some debian maintainer react this way 10:26 Toadstool maybe show them that our patches are worth the inclusion in debian by posting them in the bts first 10:27 Toadstool when they don't want to consider the inclusion using the new pts stuff 10:27 Toadstool otoh that's a huge amount of work 10:28 Toadstool maybe there should have a collaboration team, the same as utnubu on debian side 10:28 Toadstool s/there/we/ === Fracture [[email protected]] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:29 Keybuk did you see http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DCT ? 10:29 lucas :p 10:29 Toadstool no, I'm on it, lucas just told me about it :) 10:29 lucas I was just saying to Toadstool that we should talk together about it 10:30 Keybuk mjg59: any other questions? 10:30 mjg59 Nope, I'm good 10:30 Keybuk votes? 10:31 mjg59 +1 for seeming competence and a great attitude towards working with Debian 10:31 Keybuk +1 from me also 10:31 Toadstool thanks everybody :) 10:31 imbrandon congrats Toadstool ;) 10:31 Hobbsee yay Toadstool! 10:31 Tonio_ congrats Toadstool :) 10:31 Gloubiboulga_ congrats Toadstool :) 10:32 Keybuk anyone else for ubuntu-dev who didn't make it to an earlier meeting? === Hobbsee looks down the list. dotn see anyone 10:32 lucas (just privmsgd to Keybuk:) it would be great if, after processing dev candidates, we could discuss the DCT a bit. I haven't had a lot of feedback from the ubuntu side. 10:33 Keybuk ok, let's move onto core-dev 10:33 Keybuk Tonio_: ? 10:33 Tonio_ yes 10:33 Tonio_ I'm Anthony Mercatante, most of you know me as a kubuntu developper and motu 10:34 Hobbsee Tonio_'s going for core! cool! 10:34 Tonio_ Hobbsee: attempting at least 10:34 Tonio_ Although I'm not very active as a motu, most of my work is currently done in the main section 10:34 Tonio_ https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AnthonyMercatante 10:34 Tonio_ here is my wikipage 10:35 Tonio_ https://launchpad.net/people/tonio/+packages 10:35 Tonio_ and the launchpad packages one 10:36 Keybuk ok, so what kinds of things would you like to be doing in main? 10:36 Keybuk further Kubuntu work? Who has been sponsoring you so far? 10:36 Tonio_ Keybuk: mostly Riddell of course 10:36 Riddell yep, lots of kubuntu-default-settings uploads from Tonio_ and a good number of others too 10:36 Tonio_ I'm currently maintaining a bunch of main applications, like wlassistant, kmplayer, knetworkmanager, kaffeine... 10:37 Tonio_ and yes, I'm very involved in the kde implementation, configuration and simplification 10:37 Riddell he's very competant, I can't remember the last time I had to correct something before uploading 10:39 imbrandon whoops === Tonio_ [[email protected]] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Keybuk pipes hold music into the channel 10:40 mjg59 Ah 10:40 Keybuk aga 10:40 Tonio_ sorry, konversation crached... 10:40 Keybuk Tonio_: so what kinds of improvements would you like to make to Kubuntu? 10:40 Keybuk clearly you'll be fixing that bug? :p 10:40 Tonio_ Keybuk: hope so :) 10:40 Tonio_ well currently kubuntu misses a good multimedia infrastructure 10:41 Hobbsee (Tonio_: ouch. daily build, or the one in the repos?) 10:41 Tonio_ that should be changed in the future focussing on one application only 10:41 Tonio_ there are also lots of things to be done to get a fully logic and wel implemented kde destktop 10:42 Tonio_ kde is widely configurable, but requires lots of configuration to be done still 10:42 Keybuk would you favour kde using gstreamer, or something else? 10:42 Tonio_ we need to focus on the wireless part too, since we don't currently have a wpa capable solution installed out of the box 10:43 Tonio_ Keybuk: I would probably favour gstreamer, yes, because it is certainly the most promissing 10:43 Tonio_ Keybuk: and afaik, it has great chances to be used with kde4 10:43 Tonio_ so here are the most important things I would like to focus on in the next weeks 10:44 Keybuk *nods*, interesting 10:44 Keybuk Riddell: these are your packages, would you welcome Tonio_ into main? 10:44 Riddell Keybuk: very much so === RichJ [n=nixterna@ubuntu/member/nixternal] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:45 RichJ @schedule chicago 10:45 Ubugtu Schedule for America/Chicago: Current meeting: Technical Board | 19 Jul 15:00: Edubuntu | 20 Jul 10:00: Ubuntu Development Team | 21 Jul 14:00: Ubuntu Marketing Team | 26 Jul 07:00: Edubuntu | 27 Jul 18:00: Ubuntu Development Team 10:45 Keybuk mjg59: any questions? 10:47 mjg59 Tonio_: Do you think you can help get Kubuntu to the same level of polish and integration as Ubuntu? 10:47 Tonio_ mjg59: I hope so, since it is clearly what I'm claiming for month :) 10:47 Hobbsee mjg59: only with a lot of work. 10:47 Tonio_ mjg59: anyway, that will probably require more than just my contribution 10:47 mjg59 Tonio_: On the bright side, I see you've been doing a lot of work on infrastructure that both Ubuntu and Kubuntu can use 10:48 mjg59 My heartfelt thanks for that :) 10:48 ogra Tonio_, well, you have Hobbsee now :) 10:48 imbrandon but the kubuntu team is comming along nicely specialy with Tonio_ 10:48 Tonio_ mjg59: well, networkmanager and bluez-utils mostly 10:48 mjg59 Tonio_: How closely do you work with upstream? 10:48 imbrandon and Hobbsee ;P 10:48 Tonio_ mjg59: depends if there are or not respondive ;) 10:49 mjg59 Heh 10:49 mjg59 But you make an effort? 10:49 Tonio_ I'm regularly in kontact with lots of them, and they most of the time include my patches 10:49 mjg59 Excellent 10:49 mjg59 Ok, I think I'm done 10:49 ogra in kontact ? 10:49 mjg59 Keybuk: You? 10:49 Tonio_ mjg59: I generally always try to get my patches and packages improvements upstream 10:49 Keybuk I'm done 10:49 Tonio_ that's the goal 10:49 mjg59 Votes? 10:49 Hobbsee Tonio_: when you misspell kontact and konversation, you certainly spend too much time working on kde :P 10:50 ogra yeah 10:50 imbrandon heh 10:50 Keybuk +1 from me 10:50 mjg59 +1 from me for plainly being excellent (asuming what everyone tells me is true :p) 10:50 ogra thats what i thought too 10:50 Tonio_ ;) 10:50 Hobbsee yay Tonio_! 10:50 Toadstool congrats Tonio_ :) 10:50 ogra congrats Tonio_ 10:50 ogra ! 10:50 Hobbsee mjg59: it's better not to think about if it's true or not, i'm sure :P 10:50 Tonio_ thank you very much everybody ! 10:50 toma nice day for kubuntu! 10:50 Hobbsee toma: very! 10:50 Tonio_ toma: hehe 10:51 imbrandon very nice toma 10:51 imbrandon ;) === Hobbsee looks for something for toma to work on :P === toma ducks 10:51 imbrandon toma HIDE !! 10:51 Keybuk ok, last up is Linda 10:52 Keybuk err, I mean Steven 10:52 StevenK Hah 10:52 imbrandon heh 10:52 StevenK Hrm, Steven doesn't fire my nick hilight. 10:52 ogra lol 10:52 Hobbsee go StevenK! 10:52 StevenK I'm Steve Kowalik, Debian Developer since 2001, and an MOTU to boot. 10:53 Hobbsee (and the poor bugger who uploads a lot of my packages) 10:53 StevenK I hope to look at Edgy specs and help out with a few that interest me, specifically about-ubuntu, spoken-boot and a few others that escape me at the moment. 10:54 imbrandon and the poor guy that has given me alot of MOTU training ( along with many others ) 10:54 StevenK I hope to do the same thing with main, offering to sponsor patches from people and upload them into main. 10:54 StevenK It'd be kinda nice to request a sync for Linda, too. 10:55 StevenK Um. I'd also say general merges for main, but the bulk of that will have to wait until Edgy+1 10:55 mjg59 Ok 10:55 mjg59 Have you got anything in main at the moment? 10:56 StevenK Linda, but it wasn't me who put her there. 10:56 mjg59 So an obvious question is "What would you do with core-dev that you can't currently do"? 10:56 StevenK I have spent some spare time over the last few days looking over main bugs, but nothing really struck me as being easily patched. 10:57 mjg59 You've suggested sponsoring other people === gnomefreak [n=ThunderS@ubuntu/member/gnomefreak] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 10:57 mjg59 Do you think that it's currently difficult to get stuff sponsored into main? 10:58 StevenK Yes, sponsoring other people, along with bug fixes, and helping out with work if people ask me. 10:58 StevenK I don't think it is, but many hands make light work, and also other people may not be around to build/test/upload. 10:59 Hobbsee (personally, i find the stuff in main hard to get uploaded, due to my timezone) 10:59 mjg59 I guess I feel that it would be good to see more work with main first, but I don't know how Scott feels 10:59 StevenK Hobbsee: Like you can claim yourself being in the Australia/Sydney timezone. 10:59 mjg59 Keybuk: ? 11:00 Keybuk I must admit that I feel the same, despite his track record in Debian 11:00 Hobbsee StevenK: i mostly can. except for staying up till 2am each morning. 11:00 Keybuk we do things slightly differently in Ubuntu, and it would be good to see more example of his work in main first 11:01 mjg59 StevenK: Would you be open to spending more time working with main in the Edgy cycle and then revisiting this when we come to Edgy+1? 11:01 StevenK Indeed. 11:02 mjg59 I'm not concerned about you screwing things up, but it's nice to have evidence that you'll use the rights granted :) === StevenK nods. 11:02 Hobbsee Keybuk: pm? 11:03 Keybuk Hobbsee: it's not that pm here yet 11:03 mjg59 Keybuk: Anything else? 11:03 Keybuk on StevenK, nothing from me 11:03 Hobbsee Keybuk: :P i meant private message. 11:03 Keybuk lucas wanted to have a few moments 11:03 lucas yup, I wanted to discuss DCT 11:04 lucas since it was raised earlier 11:04 lucas I even have a few intro lines : 11:04 mjg59 StevenK: Ok - sorry about that, but with luck we'll see you back here soon 11:04 lucas The Debian Collaboration Team (or DCT, http://wiki.ubuntu.com/DCT ) is an Ubuntu team aiming at improving collaboration between Ubuntu and Debian by tracking changes in Ubuntu's packages. 11:04 lucas It's not an automatic process like Scott's patches, but instead requires collaboration from *volunteer* Debian developers : 11:04 lucas - DCT team members agree to file bugs in the BTS for all relevant issues 11:04 lucas - the DD agrees to act promptly on those bugs 11:04 lucas The advantage is that we limit ourselves to DD who actually want to collaborate, and don't lose time sending patches to maintainers who killfile us. 11:04 lucas Questions: 11:04 lucas - What do you think ? 11:04 lucas - Ideas for improvement ? 11:04 lucas - Volunteers ? :) 11:04 mjg59 lucas: It sounds like a good way of building trust 11:05 mjg59 Would you need any technical resources that aren't currently available? 11:05 lucas I don't think so 11:05 lucas we'll need a tool to keep track of what has been reviewed 11:06 lucas but it will most likely be web-based, and web hosting is not a problem 11:06 LaserJock do you think its a good thing to focus down the people involved rather than try to improve the overall Debian-Ubuntu collaboration 11:06 Keybuk I'm a little confused ... you talk about DDs there? What would be Ubuntu's contribution to the DCT? 11:07 mjg59 lucas: Presumably you meant volunteer Ubuntu developers, rather than volunteer Debian developers? 11:07 lucas there are volunteers on both side : 11:07 ogra Keybuk, it has two sides ... both of them agree to collaborate ... 11:07 lucas volunteer ubuntu devs agree to work inside DCT (some ubuntu devs don't care about debian) 11:08 Keybuk how will patches/issues/etc. be judged to be relevant? 11:08 Keybuk one of the problems so far has been deciding whether a patch is worth submitting to Debian 11:08 lucas volunteer DDs agree to respond very fast to bug reports, so they are useful for ubuntu too 11:08 mjg59 From a technical side of things, I don't see any issue 11:09 lucas the litmus test would be "things we changed that should be changed in debian too" 11:09 Keybuk lucas: a useful feature for you might be ... the patch mailer (that does the ubuntu-patches mailing list, and sends to the PTS) allows custom subscriptions 11:09 Keybuk so you can subscribe to lists of packages, etc. 11:09 Keybuk lucas: how about where we differ to Debian? e.g. udev, or our use of /var/run, or our non-use of /emul, etc. 11:10 lucas I think the list-of-packages-management would probably be more complex than this, but there might be code to re-use 11:10 lucas well, it's of course not about pushing such decisions to debian 11:11 lucas one of the problem is to review patches and know which changes are relevant to debian, which requires good knowledge of both sides 11:12 Keybuk a good plan might be to draft up a description of what volunteers would need to do, and use ubuntu-devel to get early ones 11:12 Keybuk and once the thing is up and running, ubuntu-devel-announce to get more 11:13 lucas yup, that's what I started doing on the wiki page 11:13 LaserJock I'd be a bit worried though that it might send a message that Ubuntu people don't have to worry about upstream, "somebody'll take care of it" 11:13 LaserJock do you think that could become a problem? 11:14 lucas ideally, all ubuntu developers would understand that debian matters a lot, and that reducing divergence makes our life easier 11:14 lucas but it's clear that some ubuntu devs have never used debian, and don't really understand the relationship between ubuntu & debian 11:15 lucas (that's a different issue, and it was already raised during the debian/ubuntu discussion at debconf, I think) 11:17 Keybuk ok 11:17 Keybuk does anybody have any questions for lucas? 11:18 lucas :p 11:18 mjg59 I think it sounds like a good plan 11:19 Keybuk agree 11:19 Keybuk lucas: good luck with it, if there's any technical resources you need, they can most likely be arranged 11:19 lucas ok 11:20 Keybuk any other business? 11:20 Keybuk adjourned then 11:20 Keybuk thanks everybody
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