Technical_2006-04-25
10:02 Keybuk Let's Get It Started! 10:02 ogra ok === cbx33 [n=pete@84-45-238-195.no-dns-yet.enta.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Guest0101 [n=Tom@85-210-162-33.dsl.pipex.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:02 mdz sfllaw: presumably jbailey would advocate you; is he available by any chance? 10:03 sfllaw I'm under the impression that he's "being a booth babe". 10:03 sfllaw But let me look. 10:03 sfllaw He doesn't seem to be online. === mvo [n=egon@p54A648B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:03 sfllaw I'm afraid that I can't say whether jbailey would absolutely vouch for me. 10:03 sfllaw But I'm presuming he would. === ubuntu_lt [n=Styx`@85.206.224.190] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:04 mdz I'll try his mobile 10:05 dholbach I can try to say some bits: I was in touch with sfllaw around 2 years ago, when I used wvstreams for a project - at that time I was impressed on how fast he reacted, analyzed the problem I had and got the fix either into Debian or fixed it directly upstream. That's what I can say about his Debian / packaging skills. 10:05 dholbach sfllaw: for how long have you been a Debian maintainer now? 10:06 mdz jbailey was just walking onto an airplane, he won't be able to make it 10:06 ogra dholbach, thats already 2 years ago ? woah 10:06 Keybuk mdz: if it crashes, we're blaming you === ogra remembers dholbach's praises for wvstreams upstream bck then 10:06 ogra *back === freeflying-ibook [n=freeflyi@61.190.65.30] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:07 dholbach Keybuk: don't make that kind of jokes shortly before release :) 10:07 sivang was ubuntu existing then? :) === sivang lost track of time already. 10:07 ogra sivang, dholbach and i met in #ubuntu at that time 10:08 ogra so it existed, yes 10:08 dholbach or maybe it was even longer ago 10:08 sivang ogra: ah, so we already met each other probably 10:09 mdz sfllaw: have you wandered off? 10:09 sfllaw mdz: Nope. 10:10 sfllaw dholbach: I've been looking... 10:10 dholbach ah... ok :-) 10:10 mdz sfllaw: it's probably best if we wait until the next meeting for this, when you have some time to prepare 10:10 sfllaw Fair enough. 10:11 mdz dholbach: heard from gloubigoula? 10:11 sfllaw dholbach: January 2000 was when I started. 10:11 dholbach mdz: yeah, as I said: he'll be 30m late, so ~20m he should be here 10:11 mdz is there any other business? 10:11 dholbach the only other applicant (that really meant it) was afaik wasabi 10:11 ogra lifeless isnt around by chance ? 10:11 mjg59 Daf is around if we want to do his motu? 10:12 wasabi I was an applicabt? 10:12 wasabi applicant? I was wondering why you were yelling at me. 10:12 dholbach wasabi: for ubuntu-dev? 10:12 wasabi Already in. 10:12 dholbach wasabi: I tried to highlight on all your nicks :-) 10:12 dholbach wasabi: Oh sorry, I must have missed that. I just rememberd you signed up with the team. 10:12 wasabi Yeah, I was "missed" in the LP migration somehow, and was too busy to notice. 10:13 mdz wasabi: who took care of that for you? 10:13 wasabi keybuk 10:13 ogra daf sounds like a good start ... 10:13 mdz ogra: daf isn't here 10:13 mjg59 mdz: Shall I grab daf? 10:13 mjg59 (He's physically here) 10:13 mdz this is possibly the most chaotic tech board meeting yet ;-) 10:13 mdz mjg59: his choice 10:13 ogra heh 10:14 mjg59 30 seconds === daf [i=daf@muse.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:14 mjg59 There we go 10:14 wasabi Hmm. I think I was in ubuntu-core-dev, too. 10:14 wasabi But I haven't had to work on my packages in main in a long while. 10:14 ogra hey daf === daf waves === JanC [n=janc@lugwv/member/JanC] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:15 dholbach hello daf! 10:15 Keybuk wasabi: only found your ubuntu-dev meeting 10:15 wasabi k. No biggy. 10:15 wasabi I'm done with Java stuff anyways. 10:16 mdz wasabi,Keybuk: the archive keyring was authoritative at the time 10:16 mdz and that's what I worked from when migrating to LP 10:16 mdz daf: welcome 10:17 mdz daf: care to tell us a bit about your involvement with ubuntu and plans for future involvement? === sivang hugs daf 10:17 daf mostly been involved with Rosetta stuff 10:17 daf occasional patches === mvo waves to daf 10:18 daf my impetus for upload privileges is to be able to upload stuff to Ubuntu at the same time as I upload to Debian 10:18 mdz daf: you're a Debian developer as well, yes? 10:18 daf aye 10:18 mdz daf: which packages do you maintain there? 10:18 daf er 10:19 daf http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=Dafydd+Harries&comaint=yes 10:19 daf various things 10:19 daf plus I've recently joined the GNOME team === Lure [n=lure@clj46-234.dial-up.arnes.si] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:21 mdz daf: have you done any Ubuntu uploads through an existing developer? 10:21 daf no, don't think so 10:21 dholbach daf: didn't I uploaded a patch and new gnome-gpg or something? 10:21 dholbach daf: or you worked on it and I synced it? 10:22 daf that was a sync 10:22 dholbach Ok. 10:22 raphink hi there === Gloubi|AFK [n=gauvain@84.5.69.197] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === Riddell [i=jr@kde/jriddell] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:23 raphink hi Gloubi|AFK 10:23 raphink and hi Riddell :) 10:23 Gloubi|AFK hi 10:23 dholbach then we investigated a bit in the gossip package 10:23 raphink tb is @ 22UTC right ? 10:23 mdz raphink: it's at 20UTC as always, and it's in progress right now 10:23 raphink ouch sorry mdz :( === raphink keeps quiet 10:23 daf dholbach: indeed 10:23 mdz dholbach: care to comment on your experience working with daf? 10:24 dholbach mdz: he was very easy to work with, we discussed some gossip bugs and had a look on a new gnome-gpg version and he was always easy to work with. 10:25 dholbach He answered quickly and things were done in no time. I was happy. :-) 10:25 mdz Keybuk: any questions? 10:26 Keybuk mdz: no questions 10:26 mdz ok 10:26 mdz votes 10:26 mjg59 +1 on the basis that I can hit him in person if he does anything wrong 10:27 ogra heh 10:27 Keybuk +1 from me 10:27 dholbach hahaha 10:27 mdz +1 from me based on Debian experience and dholbach's advocacy 10:27 mdz daf: done and done 10:27 mdz daf: welcome === dholbach congratulates daf! 10:27 daf thank you 10:27 dholbach Excellent news! :-) 10:27 raphink :) 10:27 ogra welcome daf 10:27 mdz Gloubiboulga: I believe you're next? === Gloubiboulga is Gauvain Pocentek 10:27 Riddell daf: well done 10:28 mjg59 Gloubiboulga: So, what do you want to do in Ubuntu? 10:28 Gloubiboulga I guess I'm the next one mdke 10:28 Gloubiboulga mjg59, my work has been centered on Xubuntu for a month === mdke passes it onto mdz 10:28 janimo s/work/great work/ 10:29 Gloubiboulga I'd like to keep working on this, even if Xfce is in main now:) 10:29 mdz janimo: have you been uploading his packages? 10:29 janimo mdz, yes 10:29 janimo all his xfce work 10:29 mdz janimo: and reviewing them before upload, presumably. ;-) what is your assessment of his work? 10:30 janimo mdz, very nice work. 10:30 janimo thorough 10:31 mdz Gloubiboulga: presumably you will continue to work through janimo for Xubuntu packages for now; is there any other area where you would like to work as a MOTU? === raphink has reviewed Gloubiboulga's work on REVU since he began contributing and is also very happy with the quality of his work 10:31 Gloubiboulga mdz, not really a particular aera 10:31 janimo mdz, there are still some bits left in ubinverse for xubuntu 10:31 janimo he has some new uploads from xfce upstream in the queu 10:31 janimo e 10:32 Gloubiboulga I'm really interesting in helping new packagers 10:32 Gloubiboulga I've comment some packages on REVU, it's an important part of the MOTU work imo 10:32 Gloubiboulga *commented 10:32 ogra yes, thats true ... 10:33 raphink yes, I have advocated comments on REVU for Gloubiboulga as he sent them to me 10:33 ogra Gloubiboulga is very helpful to people in -motu 10:33 raphink most of good interest 10:33 raphink Gloubiboulga: have you gotten in touch with laserjock to help with packaging guide? 10:33 dholbach Yeah, I personally liked how he steppd up in ubuntu-bugs as well, took care of patches for issues in universe-bugs, etc 10:33 dholbach I'm pleased with his work there 10:33 mdz ok 10:33 Gloubiboulga raphink, nop, I read his guide, discussed a few thing with him, that's it 10:34 mdz Keybuk,mjg59: any questions for Gloubiboulga? 10:34 Keybuk nope, no questions from me 10:35 mjg59 Gloubiboulga: What are your aims for xfce? 10:35 Gloubiboulga mjg59, Xfce itself is fine, but Xubuntu can provide a much more usable desktop 10:36 Gloubiboulga It's easily installable, comes on an iso 10:36 Gloubiboulga everything is done to have a clean, stable distro using this desktop 10:37 mdz Gloubiboulga: is there anything in particular that you feel is missing which you would like to work on adding? 10:37 janimo Gloubiboulga has been in touch with xfce panel plugin writers, about them being in time for dapper 10:37 Gloubiboulga mdz, yes, some tools are missing, like keyboard, printer manament 10:37 lucasvo imho notebook support in xubuntu is poor 10:37 Gloubiboulga managment* 10:38 Gloubiboulga lucasvo, true 10:38 janimo lucasvo: true. the only thing there is susp/hib form logout menu 10:38 lucasvo janimo: exactly 10:38 lucasvo no battery status etc. 10:38 janimo lucasvo: there's a battrey plugin in main since yesterday 10:38 mdz Gloubiboulga: are there good solutions for keyboard and printer functionality which exist but are not in Xubuntu yet? 10:38 Gloubiboulga mdz, Xfce only cannot satisfy a desktop user imo 10:38 janimo was in universe 10:38 lucasvo janimo: ah, ok 10:39 janimo Gloubiboulga actually works on the xkb plugin now, but for some reason not mentioningit 10:39 Gloubiboulga mdz, you can't easily set up different keuboard layouts for exemple === mvo [n=egon@p54A648B2.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:40 Gloubiboulga mdz, janimo just told it, I'm working on the xkb plugin to solve this 10:41 Gloubiboulga editing xorg.conf is not an easy for most users :) 10:41 Gloubiboulga esay thing even 10:41 mdz ok 10:41 mdz Keybuk,mjg59: votes? 10:42 Keybuk +1 from me, good to get more xfce work 10:42 mdz +1 for Gloubiboulga based on several MOTU recommendations and good work demonstrated with janimo 10:43 mdz did we lose mjg59? 10:43 mdz Gloubiboulga: at any rate you have a majority, congratulations and welcome 10:43 janimo Gloubiboulga: congrats :) 10:43 dholbach congratulations Gloubiboulga! welcome to the team! 10:43 Gloubiboulga thanks :) 10:43 ogra congrats Gloubiboulga 10:43 raphink welcome Gloubiboulga :) 10:44 raphink a fait plaisir de t'avoir comme dev :) 10:44 mdz I believe that's the end of the agenda? 10:44 Gloubiboulga merci raphink ;) 10:44 ogra yep 10:44 Gloubiboulga janimo, dholbach, ogra thanks a lot :) 10:44 dholbach thanks everybody 10:44 mdke mdz, i have a quick question, if you have time. I've written it already so it should be fast. 10:44 dholbach Gloubiboulga: anytime - you deserved the praise 10:44 mdz mdke: shoot 10:44 mdke I've vaguely followed the meeting since I joined the channel, is it correct that ubuntu membership is no longer required for becoming a developer (some of the candidates considered are not members, and some of the core-dev team don't appear to be either)? If so, I think we should update the website: it gives a slightly misleading account of the community governance process. Or alternatively, the ubuntu-members LP group may be incomplete. 10:45 ogra mdke, its still required 10:45 mdke so the latter? 10:45 mdz mdke: they're somewhat disconnected at the moment; people generally go through the processes separately 10:45 mjg59 Whoops, sorry about that 10:45 mdz indeed, they're handled by different groups 10:45 mdke mdz, does it matter which goes first? 10:45 mjg59 But I agree 10:46 mdz mdke: for my part, I don't mind which goes first, but they should happen close together 10:46 mdz folks who are in ubuntu-dev but not members should go through the membership process 10:46 mdke ok, the website is definitely misleading then 10:47 raphink indeed 10:47 mdz what we wanted to avoid was folks having to wait 3 weeks or more, and attend adjacent meetings, to go through the process 10:47 mdz this is probably something to be discussed at CC next week 10:47 mdke ok fine 10:47 mdz logically, it would make sense for membership to be a prerequisite, but we've been somewhat flexible for practical reasons 10:47 mdz mdke: would you put it on the CC agenda? I'll try to be there to discuss 10:48 mdke mdz, be happy to. 10:48 mdke it's two problems I suppose === lifeless [n=robertc@dsl-43.1.240.220.rns01-kent-syd.dsl.comindico.com.au] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 10:48 lifeless Keybuk: am I too late? 10:48 mdz lifeless: well hello, we were just about to close up 10:49 Keybuk I think we can just squeeze him in 10:49 lifeless thank you 10:49 mdz lifeless: care to introduce yourself? 10:49 lifeless Hi, I'm lifeless 10:49 sivang he has a french dictionary named after him :) 10:49 lifeless I'm here hoping to get upload rights to universe as a MOTU 10:50 ogra yay 10:50 ogra lifeless, 10:50 lifeless indeed, the Robert-Collins dictionary 10:50 ogra often missed here 10:50 lifeless https://wiki.ubuntu.com/RobertCollins describes most of the Ubuntu focused things I get up to 10:51 mdz lifeless: you maintain a few packages in Debian as well, yes? 10:51 mdz ah, it's on your wiki page 10:51 lifeless yup, bicyclerepair, fl-cow, opensync, testresources 10:52 mdz lifeless: who sponsors the bzr uploads to ubuntu? jbailey? 10:52 Mithrandir lifeless: I don't think Ubuntu runs well on S/360s. I don't know about S/390s, though.. 10:52 mdz lifeless: do you do most of the packaging work for the uploads which go directly to ubuntu? 10:52 lifeless mdz: yes. bzr is currently packaged by jbailey himself 10:53 mdz lifeless: are you a Debian developer, or does someone sponsor your uploads there? 10:53 lifeless mdz: I'm a DD, though still a relatively new one 10:54 sivang lifeless: what about i5/OS ? ;-) 10:54 mdz (I asked because your Maintainer fields don't have a debian.org address) 10:54 lifeless I tend to get someone to eyeball my uploads if I'm working in a new area of packaging I'm not familiar with 10:54 lifeless mdz: ah. 10:54 Keybuk mdz: that's not so unusual? When I was a DD, I never used my debian.org address 10:55 mdz Keybuk: not everyone does, but when they don't, it isn't immediately obvious whether they're a DD or not 10:55 lifeless this is true. I guess I think of myself as 'me' and as being a DD as one facet. 10:56 mdz and I'm far too lazy to go beyond apt-cache show to confirm ;-) 10:56 lifeless its the same with canonical work, I usually use my home address except in rare circumstances 10:56 Keybuk lifeless: so, what makes you want to join the MOTU? 10:56 Keybuk what about Ubuntu interests and excites you 10:56 Keybuk and what would you like to change and make better? 10:57 lifeless so 10:57 lifeless I want to join MOTU to be able to complete the loop when I'm helping out in #ubuntu-motu 10:58 lifeless for instance, azeem and I want to make the mobile syncing stuff in ubuntu really rock for dapper +1 10:58 lifeless which is why we are working on all the opensync, discussing issues with upstream 10:58 lifeless and so on. 10:58 mdz lifeless: what are the issues there? I'm interested 10:59 lifeless mdz: multisync is essentially abandoned upstream, and the 'new' codebase 'opensync' is very unstable 10:59 mdz I want to be able to sync contacts between my phone and evolution, in particular 11:00 mdz does opensync have that sort of use case as a target? 11:00 lifeless we've hit a number of issues in packaging - the test suite is location fragile 11:00 lifeless oh yes, thats exactly what opensync is about, multisync 0.8x may well do it already 11:01 mdz cool, maybe I'll find time to play with it one of these days 11:01 Keybuk would opensync also let me sync the evolution address book on my laptop with that on my desktop? 11:01 lifeless but the multisync 0.8 ui is (at best) crackful - the 0.9 ui based on opensync should be much much better once it all comes together 11:01 mjg59 Keybuk: Yes 11:01 lifeless Keybuk: yes 11:01 lifeless Keybuk: syncml + evo on the desktop, evo + syncml on the laptop 11:01 mjg59 Synchronisation is something we've really been missing out on 11:02 mdz any further questions? 11:02 mdz votes 11:03 lifeless answering what about ubuntu interests and excites me is rather hard - I find *everything* fascinating and interesting--- its just a matter of triaging down to the things I have time to actually look at 11:03 mjg59 +1 based on past record and intention to work on important stuff 11:03 mdz +1 based on Debian history, sanity of existing packages, etc. 11:03 Keybuk +1 11:03 Keybuk even though he's at least partly responsible for Arch 11:03 Keybuk :) 11:04 mdz lifeless: congrats 11:04 lifeless I'm also 'at least partly responsible' for the solution! 11:04 lifeless mdz: thank you 11:04 lifeless thank you mjg59 and Keybuk too 11:04 mdz any other business before workrave strangles me? 11:05 mdke mdz, I've added the agenda item for the CC 11:05 mdz mdke: thanks 11:05 ogra yay lifeless 11:05 ogra finally :) 11:05 mdz not hearing any other business, adjourned 11:05 mdz thanks all
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