09:37 mdz (FYI: I haven't been able to reach any other tech board members, so we don't have a quorum)
09:39 asac mdz: you think they still might pop up or is the meeting officially cancelled?
09:40 mdz asac: Scott is definitely not available, and I have heard nothing from sabdfl or mjg59
09:40 asac mdz: ok, then I think I will sign off now :)
09:40 mdz asac: apologies for the inconvenience
09:40 asac mdz: no problems ... every 2 weeks? thats fine.
09:41 mdz asac: by the next meeting, you'll have some Ubuntu uploads under your belt, so that will be good anyway
09:41 asac k
09:49 sabdfl evening all
09:50 ajmitch hi
09:51 sabdfl asac: ping
09:52 asac sabdfl: pong
09:53 sabdfl asac: if we can get some time from mdz, perhaps we could handle your -core-dev application now?
09:53 asac sure ...
09:53 mdz I have only 6 minutes before an important conference call
09:54 sabdfl asac, do you have a few sentences prepared?
09:54 asac shall I go ahead and provide some infos on me?
09:54 sabdfl go for it
Anchor(asac)
09:54 asac Hi all!
09:54 asac I applied to become (core-)dev team member as I think it is important for my work on mozilla applications to be able to upload to main and to be able to do proper bug triage with full control on all bugs related to firefox et al.
09:54 asac I did setup a tiny wiki page to introduce myself on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexanderSack
09:54 asac If joining the team so quickly - taking kind of a shortcut - is against all common procedures, I would offer to cancel my application. I /can/ go the standard community way after all.
09:54 asac Obviously, I prefer to get all privileges I need and start to work on my main duties right away ;).
09:54 asac What do you think? Any questions?
09:55 sabdfl i am quite happy with the idea of giving someone a fast-track for a defined set of packages
09:55 mdz note, I sent mail just now with information about joining the QA team (which is sufficient for bug triage)
09:55 sabdfl i think mdz is less so
09:56 sabdfl i would actually like us to support htis in the LP upload security model, though we don't yet do so
09:56 asac as my current task fill me quite well I doubt that I will come to upload other packages that are not mozilla related.
09:56 mdz asac: in general, we are happy to fast-track developers with substantial Debian experience, with only limited Ubuntu experience, because of the similar skills involved
09:56 sabdfl asac: would you be willing to commit to just uploading the moz* set until a more general -core-dev approval was reasonable?
09:57 asac so there is no danger that I will touch anything else for the time being.
09:57 sabdfl i would be self-enforced, since there is no restriction on main uploads beyond membership in -core-dev
09:57 mdz asac: did Colin review the application process with you?
09:57 sabdfl i think it would be good for debian/ubuntu relations too
09:57 asac sabdfl: sure ... as I said ... I won't touch other packages
09:58 asac mdz: he gave me some hints today ... e.g. that i should upload an initial package and prepare a wiki page.
09:58 mdz right, it's usually best to have done at least some uploads which have been peer-reviewed by an existing developer
09:58 asac mdz: but no thorough review.
09:58 mjg59 Apologies for the insane lateness
09:59 sabdfl mjg59: how do you feel about giving permission for someone to upload just a restricted set of packages to main?
09:59 asac i did an initial upload of enigmail today (sponsored by martin)
09:59 sabdfl upside is he's a DD with lots of experience
09:59 asac mjg59: hi
09:59 sabdfl tricky part is he's #canonical now and we don't as a rule fast-track them
09:59 mdz asac: is martin here?
09:59 mjg59 sabdfl: My personal feeling is that anyone with the ability to upload to main can distrupt pretty much anyone else who can upload to main
10:00 asac mdz: he left for dinner already
10:00 asac unfortunately
10:00 sabdfl mjg59: right, we don't have the ability to restrict to package sets except voluntarily
10:00 sabdfl and an upload can disrupt a release or milestone easily
10:00 mjg59 And therefore, unless the set of packages is a very carefully chosen subset, the decision process should be pretty much identical
10:01 sabdfl moz* is carefully chosen but totally critical and potentially disruptive :-)
10:01 mjg59 More socially, introducing new processes for someone who is on-staff is likely to engender some feeling of ill-balance
10:01 sabdfl i'm ok deferring the approval for now
=== ogra wonders if the ability to maintain a non easy and big package shouldnt suffice for -core-dev ....
10:01 sabdfl for that very reason
10:01 sabdfl ogra: we have unique processes
10:01 sabdfl it's familiar packaging, but new protocols, conventions, tla's
10:02 sabdfl someone could easily just make a mistake
10:02 mdz even where the target is a specific set of packages, I think it's important to have confirmation of work that has been done through a sponsor
10:02 sabdfl even experienced DD's need to show some insight and interest in the ubuntu community
10:02 sabdfl before getting +1 on MOTU and -core-dev
10:02 sabdfl so i think it would be wrong to fast-track a #canonical person
10:02 mjg59 With hindsight, I regret the fact that I never worked through MOTU
10:03 sabdfl mjg59: i don't think MOTU existed when you first got involved ;-)
10:03 mdz and that we should be careful not to show a bias for people employed by Canonical, except insofar as it's supported by fact (e.g., time and inclination to contribute)
10:03 sabdfl right
10:03 mjg59 So while I'm clearly in favour of better support for our Mozilla packages
10:03 sabdfl ok, asac, do you mind continuing to bounce things through other -core-dev, and getting going with dholbach &co afap
10:04 mjg59 My feeling is that having it sponsored in the normal way is a better bet
10:04 sabdfl agreed
10:04 asac as I said ... going the long way is fine with me.
10:04 sabdfl shouldn't be too long, you get to do this 9-5 :-)
10:05 sabdfl tada. fastest TBmeeting EVA
10:05 mjg59 sabdfl: Not /strictly/ true
10:05 ogra not true ...
10:05 ogra :)
10:05 mjg59 We've had one take < 5 minutes
10:05 sabdfl bugger
10:05 asac bye and thanks for the time.