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09:37   mdz     (FYI: I haven't been able to reach any other tech board members, so we don't have a quorum)
09:39   asac    mdz: you think they still might pop up or is the meeting officially cancelled?
09:40   mdz     asac: Scott is definitely not available, and I have heard nothing from sabdfl or mjg59
09:40   asac    mdz: ok, then I think I will sign off now :)
09:40   mdz     asac: apologies for the inconvenience
09:40   asac    mdz: no problems ... every 2 weeks? thats fine.
09:41   mdz     asac: by the next meeting, you'll have some Ubuntu uploads under your belt, so that will be good anyway
09:41   asac    k
09:49   sabdfl  evening all
09:50   ajmitch hi
09:51   sabdfl  asac: ping
09:52   asac    sabdfl: pong
09:53   sabdfl  asac: if we can get some time from mdz, perhaps we could handle your -core-dev application now?
09:53   asac    sure ...
09:53   mdz     I have only 6 minutes before an important conference call
09:54   sabdfl  asac, do you have a few sentences prepared?
09:54   asac    shall I go ahead and provide some infos on me?
09:54   sabdfl  go for it

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09:54   asac    Hi all!
09:54   asac    I applied to become (core-)dev team member as I think it is important for my work on mozilla applications to be able to upload to main and to be able to do proper bug triage with full control on all bugs related to firefox et al.
09:54   asac    I did setup a tiny wiki page to introduce myself on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlexanderSack
09:54   asac    If joining the team so quickly - taking kind of a shortcut - is against all common procedures, I would offer to cancel my application. I /can/ go the standard community way after all.
09:54   asac    Obviously, I prefer to get all privileges I need and start to work on my main duties right away ;).
09:54   asac    What do you think? Any questions?
09:55   sabdfl  i am quite happy with the idea of giving someone a fast-track for a defined set of packages
09:55   mdz     note, I sent mail just now with information about joining the QA team (which is sufficient for bug triage)
09:55   sabdfl  i think mdz is less so
09:56   sabdfl  i would actually like us to support htis in the LP upload security model, though we don't yet do so
09:56   asac    as my current task fill me quite well I doubt that I will come to upload other packages that are not mozilla related.
09:56   mdz     asac: in general, we are happy to fast-track developers with substantial Debian experience, with only limited Ubuntu experience, because of the similar skills involved
09:56   sabdfl  asac: would you be willing to commit to just uploading the moz* set until a more general -core-dev approval was reasonable?
09:57   asac    so there is no danger that I will touch anything else for the time being.
09:57   sabdfl  i would be self-enforced, since there is no restriction on main uploads beyond membership in -core-dev
09:57   mdz     asac: did Colin review the application process with you?
09:57   sabdfl  i think it would be good for debian/ubuntu relations too
09:57   asac    sabdfl: sure ... as I said ... I won't touch other packages
09:58   asac    mdz: he gave me some hints today ... e.g. that i should upload an initial package and prepare a wiki page.
09:58   mdz     right, it's usually best to have done at least some uploads which have been peer-reviewed by an existing developer
09:58   asac    mdz: but no thorough review.
09:58   mjg59   Apologies for the insane lateness
09:59   sabdfl  mjg59: how do you feel about giving permission for someone to upload just a restricted set of packages to main?
09:59   asac    i did an initial upload of enigmail today (sponsored by martin)
09:59   sabdfl  upside is he's a DD with lots of experience
09:59   asac    mjg59: hi
09:59   sabdfl  tricky part is he's #canonical now and we don't as a rule fast-track them
09:59   mdz     asac: is martin here?
09:59   mjg59   sabdfl: My personal feeling is that anyone with the ability to upload to main can distrupt pretty much anyone else who can upload to main
10:00   asac    mdz: he left for dinner already
10:00   asac    unfortunately
10:00   sabdfl  mjg59: right, we don't have the ability to restrict to package sets except voluntarily
10:00   sabdfl  and an upload can disrupt a release or milestone easily
10:00   mjg59   And therefore, unless the set of packages is a very carefully chosen subset, the decision process should be pretty much identical
10:01   sabdfl  moz* is carefully chosen but totally critical and potentially disruptive :-)
10:01   mjg59   More socially, introducing new processes for someone who is on-staff is likely to engender some feeling of ill-balance
10:01   sabdfl  i'm ok deferring the approval for now
=== ogra wonders if the ability to maintain a non easy and big package shouldnt suffice for -core-dev ....
10:01   sabdfl  for that very reason
10:01   sabdfl  ogra: we have unique processes
10:01   sabdfl  it's familiar packaging, but new protocols, conventions, tla's
10:02   sabdfl  someone could easily just make a mistake
10:02   mdz     even where the target is a specific set of packages, I think it's important to have confirmation of work that has been done through a sponsor
10:02   sabdfl  even experienced DD's need to show some insight and interest in the ubuntu community
10:02   sabdfl  before getting +1 on MOTU and -core-dev
10:02   sabdfl  so i think it would be wrong to fast-track a #canonical person
10:02   mjg59   With hindsight, I regret the fact that I never worked through MOTU
10:03   sabdfl  mjg59: i don't think MOTU existed when you first got involved ;-)
10:03   mdz     and that we should be careful not to show a bias for people employed by Canonical, except insofar as it's supported by fact (e.g., time and inclination to contribute)
10:03   sabdfl  right
10:03   mjg59   So while I'm clearly in favour of better support for our Mozilla packages
10:03   sabdfl  ok, asac, do you mind continuing to bounce things through other -core-dev, and getting going with dholbach &co afap
10:04   mjg59   My feeling is that having it sponsored in the normal way is a better bet
10:04   sabdfl  agreed
10:04   asac    as I said ... going the long way is fine with me.
10:04   sabdfl  shouldn't be too long, you get to do this 9-5 :-)
10:05   sabdfl  tada. fastest TBmeeting EVA
10:05   mjg59   sabdfl: Not /strictly/ true
10:05   ogra    not true ...
10:05   ogra    :)
10:05   mjg59   We've had one take < 5 minutes
10:05   sabdfl  bugger
10:05   asac    bye and thanks for the time.