Kubuntu_2006-04-27
12:04 Riddell so, we should start 12:04 Riddell Hobbsee: you have the first item 12:04 Hobbsee https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/38573 12:04 Ubugtu Malone bug 38573 in kdebase "kubuntu_36_hide_kjobviewer_menu_entry.diff should be dropped" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 12:05 raphink let's 12:05 Hobbsee this is a wishlist - do we want to accept it? it probably makes sense 12:05 Riddell I tt 12:05 Riddell ] 12:05 Riddell sorry 12:05 Riddell rationale for removng it was that when there's something printing you get it in the systray 12:05 Riddell so I don't see why it's needed 12:06 Lure I would agree that the on is SysSetting->Printers is a bit hidden one... === noteventime [n=tilo@h209n2c1o291.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:06 OdyX 4 clics... === Seantater [n=sean@cpe-069-132-052-158.carolina.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:06 raphink same 12:06 raphink + there's the print applet 12:06 raphink that can be added to the bar 12:07 Lure Riddell: right, so if my jobs are stuck it will be there 12:07 Hobbsee people still cant find the theming section of system settings - i doubt that many end up finding the printer module too 12:07 Hobbsee sorry, still rather asleep here...start, brain, start! 12:07 Riddell Hobbsee: themeing isn't there at all, printing is there 12:08 freeflying Riddell: some guys need themeing select from system settings 12:08 Lure Hobbsee: I can agree with theme/appereance and stuff (many modules), but Printers is only one 12:08 Hobbsee i guess it's a submenu away. i actually meant colours 12:08 Riddell is there a use case 12:08 yuriy I think if anybody needs kjobviewer when they're not printing they can be bothered to go to system settings, there's no need to clutter up the menu with it. 12:08 Riddell for when you need it? 12:08 Hobbsee Riddell: yes, in the bug report === BenC [n=bcollins@debian/developer/bcollins] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Ex-Chat"] === WillHunting [n=Will@lns-bzn-46-82-253-203-14.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:09 Riddell hmm, printing from openoffice 12:09 yuriy actually, i guess the bug report brings up good points 12:10 Riddell hmm 12:10 uniq i'm for removing the diff. 12:10 Riddell I'm still against it but I'm happy for it to go to a poll 12:10 Lure Riddell: true - I also notice that Firefox does not trigger job viewer tray... 12:10 Riddell Lure: bah, use konqueror :) 12:11 Lure Riddell: tried twice, still no go... but planning again... ;-) 12:11 Riddell -1 from me 12:11 Riddell go, vote.. 12:11 uniq +1 12:11 claydoh -1 12:11 Tonio_ -1 12:11 Hobbsee +1 - i know i keep looking up the printer module often enough 12:12 Lure +1 12:12 Riddell Hobbsee: why do you end up looking it up? 12:12 OdyX 0 12:12 Tonio_ Riddell: there is another possibility 12:12 Tonio_ there is a submenu activable 12:12 Riddell yuck, submenu's are evil === Huahua [n=hua_@222.50.183.147] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:13 Tonio_ gives the same rederring than the "printers" submenu in windows 12:13 Hobbsee Riddell: because it's hard to hear if the printer is actually finished, and im' often not sure where the printer has failed - ie, my computer, or between my computer and the printer. 12:13 Tonio_ anyone already tested this ? 12:13 uniq I'll have to go to bed. nite kubuntuers. 12:13 OdyX nite uniq 12:13 OdyX Tonio_: howto ? 12:13 Tonio_ OdyX: showing a screenshot, plz wait ;) 12:14 Hobbsee Riddell: anyway, do we want to discuss the other issues, then come back to this, as people have had a bit of time to think? it's already a quarter thru the meeting :P === kwwii [n=kwwii@likes.smoking.more.than.watching.spacenight.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:14 Hobbsee morning kwwii 12:14 Riddell we could let kwwii decide 12:14 kwwii hi Hobbsee 12:14 Riddell kwwii: let us know what you decide on https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/38573 12:14 Ubugtu Malone bug 38573 in kdebase "kubuntu_36_hide_kjobviewer_menu_entry.diff should be dropped" [Wishlist,Confirmed] 12:14 Riddell ok, Tonio_, your item 12:14 Tonio_ http://planetemu.net/temp/capture8.png 12:15 Tonio_ Riddell: here it is 12:15 Tonio_ just to finish on this :) 12:15 Riddell Tonio_: ug, a top level menu === robotgee1 [i=venkat@digital.celebris.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:16 Tonio_ Riddell: that's better to me that a kjobviewer entry in system or something......... but well, let's go next item :) 12:16 OdyX Tonio_: that's "to think about"... 12:16 Riddell Tonio_: bogofilter.. 12:16 yuriy Tonio_: could that menu go within System? 12:16 saaida what was the url for installing firefox 1.5 ? 12:16 Tonio_ yes, so bogofilter has been removed 12:16 Tonio_ as our major aim for kubuntu is usability, I think that's an issue 12:16 Tonio_ it is not quite easy for a newbie to guess what are the compatibles antispam filters 12:17 Riddell it looks like it's in main 12:17 Hobbsee saaida: this is not a support channel. see #kubuntu 12:17 Tonio_ Riddell: yes, it was shiped by default with dapper, but isn't anymore 12:17 Riddell Tonio_: any idea what's changed that it's not brought in now? === saaida [n=noname@86.125.24.164] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] 12:17 kwwii Riddell: as someone who prints a lot, I find it nice to be able to open it easily...case 3 is exactly right - often things do not function as expected but you don't know that until 15min later (and you closed the pop-up cause you thought it would work) 12:17 Tonio_ Riddell: I didn't check deps in detail..... I will have to === Parkotron [n=parker@fctnnbsc16w-156034215207.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:18 Tonio_ I have to compare breezy to dapper on that point 12:18 OdyX does bogofilter have any issues/bad comportements ? 12:18 Riddell 3465kB, I'd say we afford that 12:18 Tonio_ Riddell: big advantage with bogofilter is that it is pretty light ressources compared to spamassassin === OdyX uses both though. 12:19 Riddell Tonio_: does it need any setting up or does kmail use it automatically? 12:19 Tonio_ OdyX: bogofilter works nicelly as long as you tag correctly your mails 12:19 Riddell hmm, you have to tag your e-mails? 12:19 Tonio_ Riddell: when you use kmail, simply use the antispam configuration assistant, and everything is automatic 12:19 Tonio_ as long as it is installed of course 12:20 Tonio_ Riddell: yes it is bayes based, so you have to tag to build black and white lists 12:20 Tonio_ same way than spamassassin anyway 12:20 Riddell Tonio_: how do you tag? is there a menu item that becomes available when you setup spam? 12:20 Tonio_ once you taggued a few mails, it starts making good job to me, about 95% spams detected 12:20 Tonio_ Riddell: yes, you have buttons added to the interface automatically by the assistant 12:21 OdyX Riddell: menu on right-clicks on mails or top-bar button. 12:21 Riddell Tonio_: sounds great, I'll add it to the seeds 12:21 Tonio_ everything is really simple to configure and use, as long as you have a tool preinstalled 12:21 Tonio_ Riddell: thanks :) 12:21 Lure great 12:22 Riddell ok, is Nirvana here? 12:22 Lure Riddell: does not look like... 12:22 Riddell guess not 12:22 Riddell mvo has some plans to add screenshots to gnome-app-install in dapper+1 12:22 Riddell which may be done through launchpad 12:23 Riddell so something similar can be done for adept if someone wants to code it 12:23 Riddell hmm, bogofilter is on this agenda twice :) 12:23 raphink oh nice :) 12:23 OdyX screenshots stored in debs or in launchpad ? 12:23 Riddell OdyX: launchpad wuld be the best place 12:24 OdyX sure. 12:24 Hobbsee (if we cant stop duplicates on one wiki page, what chance do we have of avoiding duplicate bug reports??? :P ) 12:24 Riddell adding it to app-install-data would take up significant disk space 12:24 Riddell ok, pef points us to https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+source/kdebase/+bug/41040 12:24 Ubugtu Malone bug 41040 in kdebase "Should be easier to choose printout mode (draft/normal/photo,...)" [Wishlist,Unconfirmed] 12:24 Lure Hobbsee: lol 12:25 Riddell which looks a lot like an upstream issue to me, redesigning the kde print dialogue is not best done by distros 12:25 toma not at all indeed 12:25 Lure Riddell: agree 12:25 Riddell toma: hmm? 12:25 Riddell toma: to which point? 12:26 toma your point 12:26 yuriy i don't understand what is meant by adept screenshots 12:26 toma hmm, other words: i think it is an upstream thing 12:26 Riddell yep, pef if you read the logs, work with inorog on the issue 12:26 Riddell so, kubuntu members 12:26 kwwii Here is a usability side of the printer problem...my father-in-law complained that his computer was stuck in a loop because he tried to print one document and it kept printing them every hour or so...in the end it turned out that he had tried to print a 70MB file and cause it took so long he kept clicking, thinking it was not working...the queue had like 20 jobs in it 12:26 Lure yuriy: adept would show screenshop (preview) of app that you may want to installl 12:27 raphink yuriy: screenshots of programs to be added to program description 12:27 raphink imo 12:27 yuriy oh to the description 12:27 yuriy interesting idea 12:27 Riddell kwwii: yep, I think we'll add back the print job viewer to the menu 12:27 yuriy it would have to download them from launchpad or along with the package lists from apt then? 12:27 toma kwwii: there was a prinitng summit recently, i think the conclusion was that printing can be improved a lot and there are people working on it 12:28 Riddell toma: there's still very little action from KDE on it 12:28 kwwii toma: my point is, if he would have found the print queue utility he would have know 12:28 toma (but that can take a while) 12:28 kwwii but he kept closing them 12:28 kwwii anyway... 12:28 kwwii that is my opinion :-) 12:29 Riddell so I now have the ability to make kubuntu members, which are equal to ubuntu members 12:29 Riddell member needs to have made a sustained and substantial contribution, and sign the code of conduct etc 12:29 Tonio_ Riddell: equal ?? interesting ;) 12:29 Riddell questions is what's the best way to accept people as members 12:29 Hobbsee so, what's the idea - if you go for kubuntu membership, you dont have to go for ubuntu membership? 12:29 kwwii blood 12:29 robotgeek if i am a member of both teams, do i get something special :P 12:30 Riddell Hobbsee: correct, they are exactly the same thing, you just get a different icon 12:30 raphink Riddell: as we're talking about kdeprint, did you confirm the greyed list of printers when adding a new printer currently? 12:30 OdyX robotgeek: A4 visit card. 12:30 Tonio_ Riddell: will members get @ubuntu.com address too ? 12:30 Riddell raphink: nope, I didn't have that problem and neither has anyone else 12:30 Riddell Tonio_: they'll get @kubuntu.org addresses if elmo works out how to do it 12:30 Tonio_ Riddell: very nice ;) === Tonio_ wants tonio@kubuntu.org :) 12:31 Riddell as I understand it edubuntu are starting an edubuntu community council for this 12:31 kwwii now that is cool 12:31 raphink weird 12:31 Tonio_ Riddell: to my opinion a CC is the best for this yes === hybrid_ [n=hybrid@unaffiliated/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:31 toma Riddell: i found the kde eV method very good, 1 person suggest->2 agree->vote, but that depends on how many people would join. Maybe go straight to a vote would be ok. 12:31 raphink oh interesting 12:31 raphink :) 12:31 Riddell we could have a kubuntu community council. or we could have just use these meeting, 12:31 OdyX Tonio_: CC, with Kubuntu Members or Ubuntu Members ? 12:31 Riddell or I could just have the final say 12:32 raphink Tonio_: hehe 12:32 Riddell toma: interesting idea, we could have a script set up to vote with the existing members 12:32 Hobbsee i supect that would create more problems than it would fix - what if the person suddenly starts working on gnome? what if they want to work on both at the same time? we already have enough people asking for teh kubuntu repos, thinking they are separate to the ubuntu ones - does that mean we need a #kubuntu-motu as well? 12:32 claydoh start small, then go to a kubuntu community council if it gets too unwieldy? === Hobbsee realises she has a thing to add to the end of the meeting... 12:32 Hobbsee mind you, i like the idea of hobbsee@kubuntu.com 12:32 Hobbsee er, .org 12:32 Tonio_ OdyX: same than the ubuntu CC, every member gives his opinion, and a team of people is designed to take the decision 12:33 Riddell Hobbsee: since kubuntu memebership is exactly the same as ubuntu membership this doesn't change stuff like everyone working in #ubuntu-motu 12:33 Tonio_ it works well for ubuntu actually, so why would we do differently ? 12:33 OdyX Tonio_: Yeah.. I understand that.. but would there be a Kubuntu CC (KCC) ? 12:33 raphink Hobbsee: not .com 12:33 Tonio_ OdyX: supposedly yes 12:34 Hobbsee Riddell: i'm worried that people will start thinking that kubuntu/ubuntu memberships are different 12:34 Hobbsee raphink: yeah, i fixed it 12:34 Lure Tonio_: I think CC would be better (more clear), but then you need to define how CC is elected... === Parkotron2 [n=parker@fctnnbsc16w-156034215252.nb.aliant.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:34 Riddell Hobbsee: it just emphasises the parts you work on most 12:34 yuriy so what would actually be the point/benefit of being a kubuntu "member" other than a cool email address? 12:34 Hobbsee Riddell: or that people will try to go for kubuntu just to get membership on kubuntu, if it's easier than ubuntu's, then switch over... 12:34 robotgeek yuriy: more work, more responsibility :) 12:34 Hobbsee hmmm..right 12:35 Lure Or just Riddell changes his nick to ksabdfl? 12:35 Lure ;-) 12:35 toma good question yuriy 12:35 robotgeek lol 12:35 Tonio_ Lure: LOL ^^ 12:35 Hobbsee yuriy: a cool hostmask that makes you look like you know what you're talkign about :P 12:35 ajmitch yuriy: it's more for delegation to the teams where people work 12:35 OdyX Lure: +1 12:35 Hobbsee hehe! === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["problem] 12:35 Riddell yuriy: mostly it's a sign of commitment, it also means you get to vote on community council and tech board members, and it's a requirement for getting upload rights 12:35 Tonio_ Lure: why not, riddell decides the kcc and then the kcc decides the members 12:35 Tonio_ that makes sense 12:35 Riddell Hobbsee: this is indeed something we'll have to be careful of 12:36 toma Riddell: in that case, i would think it is wise to vote between all members and you being able to override it at any time. 12:36 yuriy Riddell, ajmitch: thanks, good answer 12:37 OdyX I think (with all respect to you Riddell) that "one person responsability" is dangerous. For the beginning, it's normal, but then, a concil is good. 12:37 Hobbsee is it such a bad thing to go to the CC, and get membership that way? i know they're kinda harsh at times, and a bit scary...but i would not want to separate the distros more than they already are 12:37 yuriy Hobbsee: lol yeah that's what I was thinking. 12:37 ajmitch Hobbsee: it's the CC that wants the teams to take responsibility for it, iirc 12:38 toma in about a year, how many people do you expect in the kcc? 12:38 ajmitch I think that the kubuntu-members would be a sub-team of ubuntu-members, so anyone added to k-m is automatically in both 12:38 ajmitch (just speculation) 12:38 Lure Hobbsee: I also understand current CC - it will not scale if you count also LoCo approvals, and governance stuff 12:38 Hobbsee Also, we dont know everything - Riddell has a far greater understanding than we do of who fits where - how are we to vote on someone we've never heard much about, if they've not been on irc? i've only found out that amu did the cds, recently! 12:38 OdyX ajmitch: that's what planning said, AFAIR 12:38 Tonio_ ajmitch: that can be a bit confusing no ? 12:38 Lure it makes sense to have some delgation of authority to subgrups of size of Kubuntu or Edubuntu. 12:38 yuriy ajmitch: then whoever decides who is in ubuntu-members HAS to have a say here, not just Riddell or kcc 12:38 ajmitch Tonio_: simple once you see it :) 12:38 Riddell toma: if we had a community council I'd say 5 or 6 members 12:38 Kamion ajmitch: yes, that's how it's set up, see down at the end of https://launchpad.net/people/ubuntumembers 12:38 Tonio_ ajmitch: most people contributing on the kde part are not especially involved in gnome 12:39 Tonio_ and ubuntu = gnome in the spirit of many 12:39 Lure ajmitch: that is the fact already - see launchpad 12:39 ajmitch right 12:39 OdyX Tonio_: this maybe has to be changes "upstream" 12:39 toma Riddell: in that case a simple majority should be ok, on an equal amount of votes, you decide. 12:39 toma just mho 12:40 Kamion yuriy: we're content to delegate this; if it turns out to be a problem we can always reconsider 12:40 Riddell Hobbsee: if we had a kcc then whoever was on it would have to be in touch with the community, but mostly the community is on #kubuntu-devel except loco teams 12:40 OdyX more in "Ubuntu = Good base + [Gnome/KDE/...] " or Ubuntu = good base. === Kamion <- CC member === Hobbsee waves to Kamion 12:40 Kamion hi 12:40 Hobbsee Riddell: that's true. 12:41 Riddell I worry with a kcc that things might get to beurocratic, e.g. we don't have that many meetings and someone might not be able to turn up at the times we do 12:41 Riddell Kamion: do you know if CC had any expectation of how kubuntu and edubuntu would handle this? 12:41 Tonio_ Riddell: that's a good way to oblige us making more meetings ;) === WilliamZ [n=william@cpc2-tref1-0-0-cust777.cdif.cable.ntl.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:42 toma (which might be good anyways) 12:42 Tonio_ but seriously, I agree with on that point 12:42 Hobbsee one other point: if we cant vote easily on something relatively simple such as printer settings, and quickly, is it really fair to leave the people in limbo for that long while we vote for 10 mins? I'd like to avoid burocreacy as much as possible, and i suspect that's what we'll be creating 12:42 Lure Riddell: I think one meeting per month should be enough for start 12:42 Kamion Riddell: I wasn't really in on the details, was mostly sabdfl/elmo I think 12:43 Kamion Riddell: I don't think we expected you to need to create a whole clone of the CC structure etc. right away 12:43 kwwii I get the feeling that I voted the wrong way on the printer thing === sHaDe [n=sHaDe@host249-208.pool8258.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:43 Kamion the basic impetus was just so that @kubuntu.org addresses could be created independently 12:43 Kamion (more or less) === hybrid_ [n=hybrid@dpc6745217221.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:44 Kamion Riddell: you can always punt folks to the CC if you feel they've made wider contributions than just kubuntu 12:44 OdyX Kamion: you mean "half-members" ? 12:44 Kamion Riddell: I'd certainly be wary of setting up something that requires lots of voting and stuff before you get used to how things are feeling 12:45 Kamion heh, actually I just checked in LP and anyone who's a member of kubuntu-members is automatically a member of ubuntumembers, not the other way round 12:45 Kamion OdyX: so no, I don't mean half-members 12:45 Riddell can I propose we have a poll on 1) creating a KCC or 2) having me make the decisions based on asking people informally 12:45 Kamion it's a system of delegation, not a tiered ystem 12:46 Kamion system 12:46 Riddell given Kamion's comments I'm leaning towards 2) 12:46 Riddell anyone want to propose other options? 12:46 toma simple voting system at malone? 12:46 yuriy I don't see how voting for people at monthly meetings is a big issue. After the initial bunch of people already contributing become members, somebody will need a few weeks to show "sustained contribution" anyways and then they can be voted on at a meeting at the end of the month. 12:46 robotgeek I'm also with 2) with the possibility to vote 'offline' 12:46 Kamion sorry, obviously it's up to you, I'm not intending to try to lean on you 12:46 raphink Kamion: which seems prettty logical, since kubuntu is a specific case of ubuntu 12:46 raphink and not the contrary === Hobbsee is against 1), so that probably means i have to vote 2, doesnt it? ideally, i'd keep it going through the ubuntu CC 12:47 Riddell so 3) voting based on existing members 12:48 toma 3++ 12:48 raphink I'd say 2) 12:48 Riddell Hobbsee: I'd add a 4) don't approve anyone and send them all to CC but it's CC's choice to delegate it to us 12:48 Tonio_ I'd say 2) too, but 3 can also be a nice option 12:48 Hobbsee ah darn 12:48 Hobbsee Riddell: with 3, what does that mean? the existing members voting on the new ones? 12:49 Riddell Hobbsee: yes 12:49 robotgeek How about using https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-members/+polls for members? 12:49 Hobbsee gotcha 12:49 Hobbsee robotgeek: leaving people in limbo is pretty mean 12:49 robotgeek Hobbsee: how would that be leaving people in limbo (you have x votes, you are approved) 12:49 Lure I would say 3) 12:49 toma its not going to take ages to have a poll with 5/6 people 12:49 yuriy with 3) then we have to start with 2) to get members in the first place? 12:50 raphink I think 3 is too complicate 12:50 Riddell the trouble with 3) is we don't have a way to discuss things 12:50 Hobbsee robotgeek: ah ok, i thought you were going for half way points....so you'd have to wait ages for all the required votes 12:50 Lure robotgeek: to formal - I think a bit of discussion on meeting is appropraite 12:50 raphink cause "everyone" is not easy to define 12:50 raphink unless that means all members present 12:50 Riddell raphink: yes 12:50 toma Riddell: you can announce the poll by email, explaining thinks, but i agree that is not a discussion. 12:51 Lure raphink: I would suggest simple amjority of present members (+ minimal of 3/5 present)? 12:51 raphink robotgeek: does this system accept comments? 12:51 Lure s/amjority/majority 12:51 robotgeek raphink: not sure, i just saw this, no idea how it works :) 12:51 raphink Riddell: in this case it could be used, using comments as a discussion thread 12:51 Riddell raphink: I don't think it does 12:52 raphink Lure: so a relative majority 12:52 raphink Lure: I don't really agree with that === hybrid_ [n=hybrid@dpc6745217221.direcpc.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:52 raphink because most people who apply to membership are obviously supported 12:53 raphink so in the case of 3), most people will come with their support team 12:53 Tonio_ raphink: ++ 12:53 raphink and this is not a neutral decision in this case 12:53 Lure raphink: right... 12:53 OdyX 3) includes "existing members", huh ? 12:53 Hobbsee raphink: +1 12:54 raphink in my idea, people should have avocates to apply, but their advocates shouldn't vote === raphink thinks this begins to look like the debian system somehow ... 12:54 robotgeek raphink: care to elaborate? 12:54 Hobbsee so...people will refuse to advocate, because they're needed to vote? 12:54 toma raphink: you can not so that, in a group of 5/6 12:54 Lure when I think again, small (3 member?) KCC with 1 year mandate, elected from all members is not a bad idea... 12:55 raphink I think someone who deserves membership can find at least one member to support his application 12:55 raphink this person should come and advocate the candidate 12:55 raphink but not take part in the vote 12:55 freeflying raphink: that really like debian's 12:55 raphink Lure: sure 12:55 toma again, the group is too smal to do that 12:56 OdyX too small "yet" ? === Sergi0 [n=serge@ip227-28-166-62.adsl.versatel.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:56 raphink 1 year mandate is a bit long maybe 12:56 raphink but the idea seems nice imo 12:56 Riddell toma: you're now talking about 5/6 people, that's the KCC idea 12:56 raphink freeflying: indeed 12:56 Lure raphink: why? this is only two releases ;-) 12:56 raphink sure 12:56 raphink Lure: how long have you been around? 12:56 toma ah, ok. 12:56 robotgeek there are 15 members, just for info 12:57 raphink ;) 12:57 Lure raphink: around kubuntu-devel? From Jan/Feb or so... 12:57 Lure ;-) 12:58 raphink mhm 12:58 toma why don't you try to do it with a poll between all members and when that turns out bad, create a kcc. === WillHunting [n=Will@lns-bzn-32-82-254-63-177.adsl.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 12:59 Hobbsee Riddell: also, with IRC hostmasks, would they get changed to say ubuntu/member/hobbsee or kubuntu/member/hobbsee - if the latter, what does that mean for those of us who are ops in both channels - will people stop listing if the hostmask says kubuntu, saying that they cant be authorities in here, as they dont use gnome? (warning: semi formed idea, it's still early :P ) 12:59 Lure toma: first question: who defines "exisitng members" oto kick-start? every ubuntu-members that declares itself as such? 12:59 raphink ok 12:59 Riddell I think the launchpad poll thing could work 12:59 Riddell Hobbsee: I don't have any plans to get kubuntu freenode masks 01:00 Riddell Lure: see https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-team/ 01:00 Hobbsee right, cool :) 01:00 toma Lure: https://launchpad.net/people/kubuntu-members/+members 01:00 raphink so... === raphink has lost the thread === Hobbsee has too :P 01:00 Riddell Hobbsee: although we probably could do without any problems 01:00 Hobbsee Riddell: please dont. 01:00 raphink yeah 01:00 Riddell Hobbsee: ok, sorted 01:01 raphink I think in some cases, membership is just obvious 01:01 raphink for everybody 01:01 Hobbsee Riddell: :P that's gotta be the quickest agreement ever in history for a kubuntu meeting! 01:01 Riddell annoyingly no clear best way has presented itself for the kubuntu memebers question 01:01 raphink and there's no need for a meeting to decide about it 01:01 Riddell shall we take a poll again? 01:02 toma evaluate a system after a few tries... 01:02 Riddell 1) kcc, 2) ksabdfl, 3) vote amongst existing members 01:02 yuriy toma: OH so the team is already there and has members. i was confused. 01:02 OdyX 3) with 2) veto ? === freeflying 3) + 01:02 Tonio_ 1) and 3) as second option 01:03 Lure 1 01:03 OdyX for not having "obvious campain comitee" ? 01:03 yuriy what is the difference between kubuntu-team and kubuntu-members? 01:03 Hobbsee 1 01:03 Riddell yuriy: kubuntu-team is less formal, doesn't include ubuntu membership 01:04 raphink yuriy: kubuntu-team is the bug contact for malone 01:04 Riddell that too 01:04 Riddell interestingly we already have 3 proposed members for kubuntu-members who I've never hard of 01:04 raphink actually kubuntu-team is not even an equivalent of ubuntu-devel 01:04 Riddell heard 01:04 raphink since there are non-dev members in it 01:04 Riddell anyone know LIVRON, PeppeP, itsdebtosh? 01:05 Hobbsee no x3 01:05 Riddell raphink: it's equivent of desktop-team I think 01:05 raphink mhm 01:05 raphink Riddell: well if as sabdfl proposed we get a TB, there might be to approve kubuntu devels aswell 01:05 OdyX who is meant to apply to kubuntu-team ? 01:05 raphink and the need to have a kubuntu-devel group as there is an ubuntu-devel one 01:05 Riddell raphink: where did he propose that? 01:06 raphink or did I misunderstand his statement? 01:06 Riddell OdyX: anyone who helps with kubuntu, feel free to sign up 01:06 raphink hmm let's see 01:06 OdyX Riddell: thanks ;-) 01:06 Tonio_ Riddell: never heard of them 01:06 raphink " 01:06 raphink During the course of these discussions I would like us to nominate a core 01:06 raphink leadership team for Kubuntu which can take overall technical 01:06 raphink responsibility for the desktop 01:07 raphink obviously that doesn't not _exactly_ mean TB 01:07 Kamion raphink: ubuntu-dev is upload privileges, that won't be split out for kubuntu for quite some time 01:07 raphink but this is what the TB does 01:07 raphink for ubuntu 01:07 OdyX Riddell: wait.. kubuntu-team is sub-group of kubuntu-members... 01:07 raphink Kamion: ok, thanks for making this clear :) 01:07 Kamion raphink: the two share an archive, so it's not sane to split out the privileges currently 01:07 Riddell OdyX: other way around if anything 01:08 raphink sure Kamion === arthur [n=arthur@adsl-ull-21-166.46-151.net24.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:09 Hobbsee actually, i'm rather in favour of having a top level team, such as raphink and Riddell, and maybe tonio or something, i'm not sure who else - who takes responsibility - instead of just Riddell. What i see is that this team would be the KCC, control the meetings, make sure everything's on track, and people have something to do, etc. It seems that there are so many people here, that to get agreement and direction on much is kinda difficult. 01:09 Lure Hobbsee: +1 01:09 Hobbsee it's rather hard to do something, if you dont know what to do :P 01:10 Riddell our poll was kindae split between 1) and 3) 01:10 Hobbsee these people would be approved by the general majority === Yann2 like the 3-guy idea 01:10 Riddell but Mark does seem to be suggesting some sort of committee for kubuntu to be discussed at linuxtag 01:10 toma i like Hobbsee's idea here.. 01:10 Hobbsee (woot 01:10 Riddell Yann2: it would have to be more than three, otherwise people often don't turn up 01:10 Hobbsee ! i'm getting approval!) 01:11 Tonio_ Riddell: yes mark seems to have plans for kubuntu on those points 01:11 toma then delay it untill after the linuxTag 01:11 yuriy yeah I also agree a KCC sounds the most sensible. 3 or 5 people 01:11 ajmitch Hobbsee: of course, it's a reasonable idea :) 01:11 Riddell so I propose that after linuxtag we look at what Mark and us have decided and use that as a framework for the membership stuff 01:12 Lure toma: probably makes sense - and it will be easier to discuss there ... 01:12 toma ++ 01:12 Riddell great, a decision :) 01:12 Lure Riddell: ++ 01:12 Tonio_ Riddell: hehe === Hobbsee is lost 01:12 Riddell Hobbsee: kppp and krfb 01:12 ajmitch Riddell: I'm impressed === Hobbsee wants a team like i mentioned above, precisely to combat this sort of thing! And to get the meetings back on track, so everything gets discussed quickly 01:13 Hobbsee yeah, kpp and krfb - quick question - anyone use these, or know of people on IRC who do? 01:13 freeflying Hobbsee: that shall be a KCC 01:13 robotgeek hmm, i tried kfrb once, never again! 01:13 OdyX Hobbsee: raphink and I used it "once". 01:13 toma Hobbsee: i use it to take over desktop of some of my customers 01:14 robotgeek but that was a long time ago 01:14 Hobbsee i'm subscribed to the kdenetwork section, but i dont have those to test with... 01:14 Riddell people who use IRC may well not use kppp if they have to pay for their dialup time 01:14 Hobbsee true, good point 01:14 yuriy krfb is a fairly nice interface, but it doesn't really work. 01:14 Hobbsee email also works 01:14 Hobbsee i'm just looking for testers 01:14 Riddell Hobbsee: what's the problem testing krfb, can't you setup a local server to connect to? 01:14 toma yuriy: why not? 01:14 Tonio_ yuriy: krfb works perfectly..... 01:14 kwwii I have one question: what is, in everyones eyes, the next most important thing to take care of art-wise? 01:14 Hobbsee Riddell: i've only got my own machine here 01:14 yuriy well, in my experience and i guess robotgeek's 01:14 OdyX Hobbsee: you need to be able to redirect ports of router. 01:14 Tonio_ yuriy: and the client (talking about interface) is krdc, not krfb :) 01:14 raphink krfb works great 01:15 toma yep 01:15 Tonio_ raphink: absolutly 01:15 yuriy by interface I meant just the dialog it give you to set it up. UI not client. 01:15 yuriy 1 sec i'll find the bug 01:15 Tonio_ yuriy: okay, sorry ;) 01:15 Riddell Hobbsee: you can use krfb as the server and connect to your local machine with krdc 01:15 Hobbsee kwwii: hmm...without having seen the kdm, probably the splash screen, adn make it all nice and shiny and pretty 01:15 Riddell Hobbsee: it gets a bit trippy at times, but it does work 01:15 raphink and it's very useful 01:15 Hobbsee Riddell: ah ok, interesting... 01:15 raphink I often suggest to use krfb/krdc when helping users in desperate cases 01:15 kwwii Riddell: and...can I add a short overview of the kubuntu artwork until now to the wiki page for the meeting on Saturday? 01:15 robotgeek damn, i got confused with kxfb. <sigh> i did use krfb too, i just use freenx now 01:15 Riddell kwwii: please do 01:16 kwwii Hobbsee: we did KDM already :-) although maybe we should work on the bg of that a bit? 01:16 Riddell robotgeek: kxfb is an nxclient for kde? 01:16 toma robotgeek: thats something totally differen 01:16 yuriy bug 39046 01:16 Hobbsee kwwii: i'm not sure, i'm using a custom kdmrc, and i havent figured out how to change it back yet... 01:16 Ubugtu Malone bug 39046 in kdenetwork "krfb crashes when a connected client move mouse" [Normal,Unconfirmed] http://launchpad.net/bugs/39046 01:16 robotgeek toma: i know, i got confuzzled :) 01:16 Tonio_ Riddell: I think the client is knx 01:16 Riddell yes 01:16 Tonio_ Riddell: never heard of that kxfb 01:16 robotgeek Riddell: kxfb is a start button or something, sorry for confusion 01:17 Hobbsee while i'm the one who's discussing things here, can we get rid of that horrible thing called kwifimanager, or at least, hide it on the menus? 01:17 Tonio_ robotgeek: ahhhhhhhh ys tou're tight :) 01:17 yuriy ok i should be more specific. krfb has problems when you connect to it with a different vnc client 01:17 Tonio_ robotgeek: linspire uses this 01:17 Riddell Hobbsee: I think for kppp testing you'll need to put out a call on the kubuntu-devel mailing list === robotgeek likes his K-Menu 01:17 Tonio_ yuriy: it is slower and then krfb uses big resources, you're right 01:17 raphink Tonio_: this is a kicker applet to replace the K Menu and look like the fancy XP menu 01:17 Hobbsee it's a piece of rubbish, it doesnt work, it's never worked, and it tends to lie about networks. see the bug reports for it. it also lies about IP addresses, and sayign you're connected when in actual fact you arent. 01:17 toma yuriy: my collegea uses a mac without problems to connect to them 01:18 Tonio_ raphink: I know ;) 01:18 Riddell Hobbsee: kppp isn't really maintained in KDE as far as I can tell 01:18 Lure Riddell: kppp bugs looks like just giving better out-of-box config... 01:18 Hobbsee Riddell: is there another tool for it? knm is eventually going to contain dialup stuff, isnt it? 01:18 Lure Hobbsee: I could try kppp (if my modem in laptop works) with local dialup ISP for test 01:19 Riddell Hobbsee: I'm not sure, in suse it just calls yast I think === Hobbsee nods 01:19 Riddell I wonder what gnome network-manager does 01:19 freeflying Riany tools for configure ADSL.etc in kde now === arthur [n=arthur@adsl-ull-21-166.46-151.net24.it] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 01:19 Riddell I suspect it's not built-in their either 01:19 Riddell freeflying: what's that? 01:19 Tonio_ Riddell: gnome network-manager simply doesn't have any ppp features 01:19 freeflying Riddell: any tools for configure ADSL.etc in kde now ? 01:19 Tonio_ that's knetworkmanager specific, since it is developped by suse 01:19 Riddell freeflying: no, do you need some? 01:20 Riddell Tonio_: right 01:20 freeflying Riddell: sure 01:20 Hobbsee freeflying: it tends to work by default, doesnt it? 01:20 Riddell freeflying: have you tried knet? 01:20 freeflying Rihaven't yet 01:20 freeflying haven't yet 01:20 Riddell freeflying: let me know if that's what you need 01:20 Riddell Hobbsee: can you put a call out on the mailing list then? 01:21 Hobbsee Riddell: yep, okay then. 01:21 Riddell ok, linuxtag 01:21 Riddell Yann2: poke 01:21 freeflying Hobbsee: pppoe can work defautly? 01:21 Yann2 . :) 01:21 Hobbsee freeflying: oh, i thought you meant something else, my errors. 01:22 Riddell just wanting to inform everyone that Mark wants me and him and anyone else to have meetings with KDE people at linuxtag 01:22 Riddell raphink: can you come to that? === apokryphos [i=[U2FsdGV@server2.polaristar.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:22 freeflying Riddell: can knet be in main 01:22 Riddell if anyone has ideas on what to put at https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuLinuxTagMeetings I'd welcome that 01:22 freeflying or include in install cd 01:22 Tonio_ Riddell: I will be there on saturday 01:22 Riddell freeflying: sure, if it works for you then probably lots of people need it 01:22 Riddell Tonio_: great 01:22 Tonio_ so if it is saturday, I will be there 01:23 Riddell Tonio_: yes, it's saturday 01:23 raphink Riddell: sure 01:23 Tonio_ Riddell: perfect then :) 01:23 freeflying Riddell: too many guys in china need it :) === Hobbsee has no passport, and will not be there. 01:23 raphink Riddell: i'll be at LT and surely at these meetings 01:23 Tonio_ 9 hours train for one day in linuxtag...... 01:23 raphink esp. on saturday which is ubuntu love day 01:23 Riddell raphink: have you heard from mdy about your talk? 01:23 Lure Riddell: I would like to come, but flight/train connections are bad (and I cannot leave before Fri) 01:23 OdyX Tonio_: could be bus... 01:23 Tonio_ OdyX: lol 01:24 Riddell the kde-ev list seems quite interested in these meetings 01:24 raphink hmmm 01:24 Riddell I've no idea what to expect really, but it should be interesting 01:24 toma Riddell: I see Eva's name 01:24 Riddell toma: yep 01:25 Riddell eva's quite a big kubuntu fangirl 01:25 toma and scott and daniel, wow. 01:25 OdyX We started a general discussion on -fr forums. Users are wondered about Kubuntu's future IN Ubuntu... 01:25 raphink Riddell: yes 01:25 OdyX this could be interestingly discussed with Mark... 01:25 kwwii Riddell: I talked to Eva on the phone yesterday (I am doing a contract for her company) and she asked me about this stuff :-) 01:25 freeflying Riddell: how about the grub install failure of kubuntu 01:26 Riddell freeflying: hang on, we're still on linuxtag 01:26 Riddell OdyX: what sort of thing are they wondering? 01:26 OdyX like if Kubuntu would be seperating of Ubuntu, to have Kde-based releases... 01:27 apokryphos interesting 01:27 Riddell OdyX: I doubt it, especailly since KDE won't be releasing again for probably 10 months 01:27 Riddell but longer term, maybe 01:27 apokryphos (/me notes that of course many people are also thinking about Canonical's dedication to Kubuntu as well, these days) 01:27 OdyX like about the fact that Ubuntu is more a base and should maybe not be associated with Gnome... 01:27 raphink OdyX: seems kamion gave a clear answer on this 01:27 Riddell I suspect Mark just hopes KDE will move to time based releases, which would be lovely but unlikly to happen 01:27 yuriy OdyX: I don't think that's an issue until at least dapper+2 when it might be sensible to waight for a stable release of kde4 01:27 eric_p Riddell: most people in french forum were against separate release cycle 01:28 Riddell eric_p: so am i at this stage 01:28 OdyX so am I.. just reporting questions 01:28 Riddell apokryphos: wait until we have shipit in June, that'll be a noticable dedication 01:28 apokryphos indeed :). Very happy that's happening. 01:28 OdyX I think Kubuntu's future as distribution (and no variant/taste) of Ubuntu should be discussed. 01:28 raphink I don't want separate realease either 01:29 toma could we focus on linuxtag for now 01:29 Tonio_ I'm sorry guys, but I have to wait very early tomorrow..... I have to go..... 01:29 Tonio_ note all 01:29 apokryphos yeah, was a little annoying last time that on slashdot there was "Ubuntu 5.10 released!" ....and no mention of Kubuntu :/ 01:29 eric_p note that KDE devs will never accept time based release 01:29 Yann2 I think Kubuntu should be part of the more global "Ubuntu" project :) 01:29 ajmitch bye Tonio_ 01:29 Tonio_ s/note/nite 01:29 OdyX bye Tonio_ 01:29 apokryphos 'night 01:30 OdyX Yann2: wouldn't that mean a separation between Gnome and Ubuntu ? 01:30 toma is the plan like having a seperate room for kubuntu meetings all saterday and only saterday? 01:30 robotgeek later folks, gotta run 01:30 Riddell toma: not all saturday but for a few hours yes 01:30 toma i counted 200+ minutes already ;-) 01:31 Riddell ok, we're running late 01:31 Riddell if anyone has other suggestions for linuxtag do let me know 01:31 Riddell and I'll report back on blog/mailing list etc 01:31 Riddell anyone object to me removing kuickshow? 01:31 toma nope, but whats the replacement? 01:31 apokryphos kuickshow sucks :P 01:32 apokryphos gwenview 01:32 Riddell it's obsoleted by gwenview/digikam/kimdama as far as I'm concerned 01:32 Lure Riddell: it would be nice if somebody would take notes and report back to others that will not be there 01:32 toma ieee 01:32 Lure (meeting minutes or so) === Hobbsee didnt even konw kuickshow existed :P 01:32 Riddell toma: we never included kuickshow in main, but now it's being removed from the distro completely because we don't want to use imlib 01:32 ajmitch Hobbsee: you didn't miss much === OdyX neither. 01:32 raphink Hobbsee: kuickshow is obsolete 01:33 Hobbsee hehe true 01:33 raphink it hasn't been maintained for 3 years 01:33 kwwii Riddell: that might cause a bit of a stir, but I think it should be removed 01:33 toma digikam is albummanagement, so not an option. showfoto would be (patched without splash) 01:33 kwwii gwenview has drawbacks as well 01:33 Riddell kwwii: I think it might with some of the older KDE users 01:33 apokryphos digikam is getting better and better very quickly these days 01:33 kwwii Riddell: exactly 01:34 Riddell but nobody here's objecting, so decision made 01:34 kwwii yepp :-) 01:34 Riddell any other business? 01:34 toma apokryphos: but not to view a single image quickly 01:34 apokryphos indeed 01:34 Hobbsee Riddell: do we want to create a #kubuntu+1 channel? 01:34 Hobbsee where do we hold the kuubntu dapper stuff? #kubuntu or #ubuntu+1? 01:34 apokryphos toma: as you said, its speciality is photo management. 01:34 Riddell Hobbsee: for discussing edgy? 01:34 Hobbsee er, dapper at this point.. 01:34 toma apokryphos: i know ;-) 01:35 Riddell Hobbsee: so this would be for users to discuss using dapper? 01:35 Hobbsee Riddell: yes 01:35 apokryphos would be a good idea 01:35 apokryphos people get shoved between those two quite a bit sometimes 01:35 Riddell Hobbsee: I don't think there would be enough people in it 01:35 Hobbsee i'm half in favour of keeping them all in #kubuntu 01:35 OdyX #ubuntu-fr+1 exists for straight a long time.. 01:35 Hobbsee but they are being shoved to #ubuntu+1, then dont get help for kde related problems 01:35 Riddell yes, I'd say keep them in #kubuntu 01:35 robotgeek people half expect #kbuntu+1 01:35 Hobbsee okay, cool 01:35 Riddell and if they know what they're talking about and talking about useful stuff point them to #kubuntu-devel 01:36 Lure Riddell: yes - we need them to fix bugs, not just complain 01:36 Lure ;-) 01:36 Riddell Lure: yes please :) 01:36 Hobbsee topic changed 01:36 Riddell kwwii: any artwork stuff to bring up? 01:36 Hobbsee Riddell: right, gotcha 01:37 Riddell freeflying: you had something to bring up? === Hobbsee has more as well 01:37 freeflying Riddell: the grub install failure 01:37 kwwii Riddell: well, I would like to know where to go next 01:37 Riddell freeflying: I've not seen grub fail to install, is this text installer or ubiquity? 01:37 kwwii I guess the installer 01:37 freeflying Riddell: text installer, I've been asked times 01:38 Riddell freeflying: don't know I'm afraid, if you still have the problem with beta 2 let me know and i'll look into it 01:38 Riddell kwwii: yes, artwork for ubiquity would be cool 01:39 Riddell would be fun to have kde ubiquity looking better than gtk ubiquity :) 01:39 kwwii :-) 01:39 Riddell kwwii: example content would be good to have soon 01:39 Riddell and not very difficult, you just need to learn some basic .deb packaging 01:40 kwwii I guess you still need the different icon sizes for adept notify and spresso 01:40 Riddell kwwii: yeah, please 01:40 kwwii Riddell: what kind of content do we want? 01:40 freeflying Riddell: knet seems not stable enough now 01:40 Riddell kwwii: well, we have adept notifyer icon but if you have an svg of it that would be good to have for soures sake 01:40 Riddell kwwii: apt-get source example-content 01:41 Riddell kwwii: and make kubuntu versions of anything with an ubuntu theme 01:41 kwwii Riddell: yeah, seen that...kind of a mix of strange things :-) 01:41 Riddell kwwii: if you have ideas for cool things in there that would be fun, but it's mostly so people can easily test that the apps all work 01:41 Riddell Hobbsee: you have an item? 01:42 Hobbsee Riddell: is wlassistant going to go itno main? 01:42 kwwii I mean, we could put all the svg sources from all the graphics in one place as well...kinda like a dapper-artwork-source package 01:42 Hobbsee urgh, it's unreviewed, as is knm. 01:42 Riddell Hobbsee: yes, it's been reviewed and they said they'd be looking at anastacia tomorrow or next week so it'll go in very soon 01:42 Hobbsee excellent, so the wiki page isnt up to date 01:43 Riddell Hobbsee: if you look at the individual pages it should say reviewed at the bottom 01:43 Hobbsee i therefore suggest that we remove kwifimanager from the kmenu 01:43 Riddell Hobbsee: if it's not been put on the MainReviewQueue page in the right place please fix that 01:43 Hobbsee seeing as it's depreciated, and has never worked very well 01:43 Riddell Hobbsee: yes, I'll drop kwifimanager as soon as wlassistant is in 01:43 Hobbsee will do 01:43 Hobbsee and what about those bug reports? kill them as unsupported? 01:43 freeflying Riddell: how about include ktranslator in main 01:44 Riddell Hobbsee: it'll still be in universe, but in practicce we can ignore them and point people at wlassistant 01:44 Hobbsee right, good, thanks :) 01:44 Riddell freeflying: what does it do? 01:44 Riddell well, I can guess I suppose 01:44 Riddell what does it do that babelfish doesn't? 01:44 freeflying Riddell: a dictionary 01:45 freeflying It can support many languages, and works fine 01:45 Riddell freeflying: please write a main inclusion report, and I'll take a look at it 01:45 Riddell any other business? 01:45 Hobbsee oh yes, someone needs to have a bit of a look at the network settings module in system settings - it keeps crashing. my inbox is now full of bug reports :P 01:46 Hobbsee Riddell: not that i know of - i want breakfast! 01:46 toma ok, well i moved it to Meeting+1, but since i'm still up, I might as well say something about it... I can hack a little bit and would like to help out with easy todo's, but it seems difficult for me to get a grip on what you guys are doing and where I can help. I can imagen there are others also. It would be great to have easy todo's, short time frames, overseeable things. 01:46 Hobbsee toma: +50 million 01:46 Riddell Hobbsee: Lure has already been brilliant and done some fixes, but there's still more problems with it that do need fixed 01:46 Hobbsee Riddell: gotcha, cool 01:46 toma Hobbsee: ? 01:46 Riddell Hobbsee: but I think the crashes should have gone away so you can mark bugs as "does this still happen in beta 2" 01:46 Hobbsee toma: at your idea :P 01:46 toma Hobbsee: oki 01:46 toma ;-) 01:47 Hobbsee Riddell: yeah, i'll do that 01:47 Riddell toma: have you seen HelpingKubuntu? 01:47 Riddell it's a bit out of date now 01:47 Kamion freeflying: anything in the text installer won't be Kubuntu-specific 01:47 toma Riddell: i looked at it, but they seem like large projects iirc 01:47 Riddell Hobbsee: might want to wait until beta 2 is actually out first, I guess that'll happen tomorrow 01:47 Kamion to an extremely good first approximation 01:47 Kamion Riddell: it's out 01:48 toma (hmm, i might be confused with malones todo's here) === hybrid_ [n=hybrid@unaffiliated/hybrid] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 01:48 freeflying Kamion: if can be install from hdd media more easier will be nice 01:48 Riddell Kamion: tomorrow? 01:48 Kamion Riddell: now 01:48 Kamion freeflying: see the installation guide 01:49 Lure Hobbsee: can you assign bugs in knetworkconf to kdeadmin package - I did not have time yet to dive into kdebase and meta 01:49 Kamion https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/2006-April/000072.html 01:49 Riddell toma: would it help if I made more specific projects for the bug day? 01:49 Lure then I will be able to triage further on 01:49 Riddell Kamion: excellent 01:49 Hobbsee Lure: okay, they're currently beign filed in kdebase, and some in kdenetwork. any i see, i'll reassign 01:49 Kamion note (though I know Riddell knows this already) that the beta 2 install CD is the same as beta 1, that's not changed 01:49 toma Riddell: i'm not sure what you mean 01:49 freeflying Kamion: guys caomlain it more complicated than breezy do 01:50 Lure Hobbsee: is should be kdeadmin knetworkconf! 01:50 ajmitch Riddell: maybe something to quickly discuss with sfllaw 01:50 Hobbsee right 01:50 Kamion freeflying: it's a bit late here and I'm not sure I understand you, perhaps you should get those guys to file bugs about the problems they're having 01:50 Riddell toma: we have bug days occationally https://wiki.kubuntu.org/UbuntuBugDay 01:50 Riddell toma: and there's lists of things people can work on 01:51 Riddell toma: I might need to find some more focused things for kubuntu people to work on 01:51 Hobbsee Riddell: that'd be good 01:52 Riddell toma: I also had a request from the gnome packagers to make KDE packages use the icon cache thingy that gnome uses 01:53 toma Riddell: yes, just easy, maybe even boring things to do, look at http://www.englishbreakfastnetwork.org/sanitizer/reports/kde-4.0/kdeedu/klatin/index.html it is easy to do and well described... 01:53 Riddell as an example of a shortish todo 01:53 Hobbsee Riddell: discuss next meeting. 01:53 toma that does not sound like an easy todo ;-) 01:54 Riddell toma: so I can try and update HelpingKubuntu at some point and include a list of quickish things people can easily do 01:54 Hobbsee while i remember about it :P 01:54 apokryphos KDE's "jj:" system for bugs is quite good, IMO 01:55 toma Riddell: ok, well, i dont want to give you more work, just something for everyone to think about. Note it down what you can not do yourself or dont want to 01:55 Riddell apokryphos: maybe we should discuss with malone people getting something like that sorted === Lure -> bed, good night === kwwii too 01:55 Riddell so next meeting? 01:56 Riddell or shall we just organise one when we feel we need one 01:56 freeflying Riddell: one week after beta2 01:56 Riddell freeflying: beta 2 is out now :) 01:56 Hobbsee need it an hour earlier, if i'm to make all of it. 2 hour slow meeting suck... 01:56 freeflying Riddell: then one week later 01:56 toma i think linuxtag will be exciting, seems like a good idea to do discuss that in the week after that. 01:56 Riddell so thursday 4th? 01:57 toma for those wo can not join 01:57 Hobbsee 2100UTC? 01:57 Riddell Hobbsee: sorted 01:57 Hobbsee ooh, another agreement! 01:57 Riddell although that's quite nasty on freeflying 01:58 Hobbsee true, the other possibility is 12 hours away...whatever the correct time for that is 01:58 Hobbsee ie, au night 01:58 freeflying Riddell: I will be used to :) 01:58 raphink next meeting during LT ? 01:58 Riddell raphink: no, after 01:58 Riddell oh wait, 4th is dring 01:58 Riddell ok, 11th then 01:58 Hobbsee dring? 01:58 Riddell during 01:58 Hobbsee ah 01:58 raphink ok 01:58 raphink well the 4th is not after 01:59 raphink LT finishes on the 6th 01:59 Riddell thursday 11th at 2100UTC it is 01:59 raphink dring ring 01:59 Riddell thanks everyone
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