ArtworkTeam_2006-02-02
12:02 lukacu meeting?
12:02 hno73 Agenda: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Meetings/Agenda
12:03 lukacu artnay?
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12:11 hno73 Trying again: Hi!
12:11 hno73 The agenda is at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Meetings/Agenda
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12:13 hno73 I got one positive comment to the wiki restructuring and zero negative on the
list
12:13 hno73 so I take that as 'ok, we don't mind' :)
12:14 kafeine i'm ok
12:14 kafeine :D
12:15 hno73 Right, then we can move to point 2 :)
12:15 lukacu :)
12:16 lukacu great
12:16 hno73 The todo list
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12:16 hno73 jsgotangco: hey!
12:16 jsgotangco hno73, hi!
12:16 jsgotangco umm is there a meeting?
12:16 kafeine yep
12:16 hno73 art team meeting?
12:17 jsgotangco oh cool
=== jsgotangco didn't know
12:17 jsgotangco but since i have admin to art.ubuntu.com might as well jump in :)
12:17 lmanul Hi all :)
=== lmanul is Manu Cornet
12:17 hno73 jsgotangco, lmanul: see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/Meetings/Agenda
=== jsgotangco is JeromeGotangco
12:18 hno73 Hi lmanul :)
12:18 kafeine mm, hno73, can you point me to the ToDo since the link at the Agenda seems broken
12:18 hno73 kafeine: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ArtworkTeam/TodoList
12:19 hno73 sorry, that's my 'restructuring' :p
12:19 jsgotangco ouch that's a lot of TODO
12:19 hno73 or, actually, lazy wiki markup
12:20 hno73 jsgotangco: exactly. unmanageable
12:20 hno73 more of a general braindump area really
12:20 jsgotangco can we make some realistic milestones per dapper dev release?
12:21 kafeine and distribute them?
12:21 hno73 I think we should make a few simple recommendations for the distro team
12:22 hno73 a recommended icon set, wallpaper etc.
12:22 jsgotangco well obviously we can't be able to do all of this with such short time and
manpower
12:22 jsgotangco i'd like to have better AUC action too
12:22 hno73 test them together, find out what is missing
12:22 jsgotangco but the approval process is so tedious
12:23 jsgotangco does AndyFitz stil do stuff for Ubuntu?l
12:23 hno73 better AUC action meaning better tools or more admin work put in?
12:23 hno73 I'm not sure
12:24 jsgotangco hno73, well approving and uploading submitted art is rather cumbersome for now,
i've only did it like twice
12:25 hno73 yeah. fixing it is non-trivial though. My recommendation would be a moin-based
site
12:25 hno73 It's slightly less elegant, but more flexible
12:25 hno73 there are no admin bottlenecks
12:25 hno73 anyone can upload content
12:25 jsgotangco and we're used to moin clean up
12:26 hno73 right. and we seem to be converging on moin as a standard now
12:26 hno73 http://www.ubuntu.com/ is moin
12:27 jsgotangco was it completely migrated?
12:27 hno73 The main thing that would be missing would be voting and ranking of stuff
12:27 hno73 it is now, yes
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12:28 hno73 if you didn't notice, it means it went fairly well :)
12:28 jsgotangco well i knew from the beginning we were moving to moin, i mean we've worked in
orchard, i can see the similarities :)
=== jsgotangco thinks the best way to jumpstart art team is to define goals and plan of action for
dapper
12:30 hno73 About the team itself. I guess volvoguy was leading it, but isn't well. Has
someone else taken over for now or is it floating freely ATM?
12:30 jsgotangco no idea
=== hno73 agrees with jsgotangco
12:31 jsgotangco the TODO we have on the wiki is a good start, but not a great staging area
12:31 hno73 So, proposals for dapper goals?
12:32 hno73 some items like the wallpaper and icons will be contracted out at least in part
12:32 jsgotangco most likely we'll not diverge much from GNOME HIG standards
12:32 hno73 but there is example content and secondary themes
12:32 jsgotangco is art responsible for sample content?
12:32 hno73 No, I am :)
=== jsgotangco thought it was jdub's area
12:33 hno73 but, it's an easy place to contribute
12:33 jsgotangco sample content - what does it consist? even media files?
12:33 hno73 making some nice OOo documents should be a doable task
12:34 jsgotangco oh okay, so its an artwork task for dapper
12:34 hno73 yes, but music and video is difficult to find in high quality + free license
12:34 hno73 it can be, if we decide so
12:34 jsgotangco how about just doing some desktop action in istanbul?
12:34 hno73 we can select 5-10 wallpapers for a start
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12:35 kafeine istanbul is pretty buggy
12:35 hno73 that sounds good, any experience with that
12:35 hno73 mhz!
12:35 jsgotangco well i would think volvoguy's svg wallpapers are a good candidate
12:35 mhz hno73: yes, I just got back to the computer
12:35 mhz hno73: sorry
12:36 jsgotangco i can try the one in dapper, the one in breezy isn't so hot
12:36 hno73 mhz: no worries, nice to see you :)
12:36 mhz thx
12:37 hno73 I just got back from the distro-sprint of death
https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2006-February/000066.html
12:37 jsgotangco oh the distro sprint of death is now the common tag for it
12:37 hno73 jsgotangco: sounds cool. We should have a soundtrack over it
12:38 hno73 yeah, I think so
12:38 hno73 It might have been food poisoning. I seem to have escaped ok
12:39 jsgotangco thats too bad
12:39 jsgotangco me and sabdfl were talking about it yesterday (he was here)
12:39 hno73 Ah right, how was your meeting?
12:39 jsgotangco pretty good he's upbeat
12:40 jsgotangco i got to meet malcolm and hande too
12:40 jsgotangco they're in tokyo now
12:40 hno73 cool, hectic schedule
12:40 hno73 So, I've been playing with icons today. Who has tried Yasis?
12:40 hno73 what do you guys use?
=== jsgotangco haven't
12:41 jsgotangco Yasis is an icon theme?
=== mhz uses Tango and Gartoon
=== jsgotangco has only used Tango
12:41 hno73 yes http://art.gnome.org/themes/icon/1168
12:41 Kyral Tango++
12:41 jsgotangco but it doesn't fit our brown scheme
12:41 Kyral and ++Tango :D
12:41 jsgotangco (needs working)
12:41 hno73 Tango is a bit too blue for Ubuntu atm though
12:41 hno73 I like it otherwise
12:42 Kyral Good for Kubuntu?
12:42 jsgotangco its preety neat for KDE
12:42 hno73 and Gartoon is of course 'owned' by ubuntu
12:42 jsgotangco but the greenish stuff makes it look a bit like SuSE
12:42 hno73 KDE has a wider choice of suitable sets IMO
12:43 hno73 because kubuntu use a standard colour scheme (blue)
12:43 hno73 while ubuntu went revolutionary brown
12:43 mhz well, IIRC, Xubuntu default will be Tango
12:44 jsgotangco that would be nice
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12:44 jsgotangco are we really getting a Xubuntu iso? sabdfl was pitching it already
12:44 klepas moin moin
12:44 mhz jsgotangco: "pitching it"
12:44 mhz ?
12:44 mhz klepas: moin
12:45 jsgotangco mhz, he added it on the list of other ubuntu-based distros in his presentations
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12:45 mhz oh, cool
12:45 hno73 So, IMO a task for the art team can be to test various icon themes and form an
recomendation
12:46 jsgotangco well ive already tested tango...
12:46 jsgotangco it seems to be the future
12:46 hno73 Yasis is the most suitable I've seen so far
12:46 jsgotangco are you thinking of adding another iconset to the distro?
12:46 hno73 true, but we'd need to change quite a few of the blue icons
12:46 mhz any news from the "pros" hired by Canonical?
12:47 hno73 jsgotangco: I'm thinking of recommending a new default for dapper
12:47 jsgotangco mhz, what they've done mostly are backgrounds
12:47 jsgotangco hmm
12:47 mhz jsgotangco: oh, will they do icons?
12:47 hno73 mhz: there are people contracted to work on icons, but there isn't time to do a
whole set
12:48 mhz jsgotangco: oh, have they choosen an icon set?
12:48 hno73 so we have to build on an existing one
12:48 hno73 Tango is a good option
12:48 klepas hey guys
12:48 jsgotangco i can look into it this weekend
12:48 hno73 Yasis and nouveXT are others
12:48 klepas i've talked to Andy, Mark and Jeff about this artwork problem
12:49 jsgotangco and?
12:49 hno73 klepas: recently?
12:49 klepas yes
12:49 klepas just last week
12:49 klepas and in person
12:49 hno73 cool
12:49 jsgotangco LCA?
12:49 klepas yep
12:49 jsgotangco so you saw sabdfl's ravishing new haircut
12:49 klepas news might not be to welcome though
12:50 hno73 klepas: go ahead
12:50 klepas Canonical has their own hired graphic artists
12:50 jsgotangco oh we're aware of that
12:50 klepas in fact they are most likely going to hire more, especially one to make an icon
set
12:51 klepas we won't be able to say "here's our work" and it will be included
12:51 hno73 right, but we can still make recomendations
12:51 klepas we can still get stuff into mainstream
12:51 hno73 klepas: we never would though
12:51 klepas if it really good
12:51 klepas mostly in terms of splashes, GDMs and wallpapers
12:51 hno73 there is always a process of evaluation and comments, etc
12:52 klepas that is true too
12:52 klepas this basically means we can probably forget trying to regulate all art in ubuntu
12:52 klepas at least for now
12:52 hno73 That happens with the hired pros too, but often by phone or in person
12:52 jsgotangco hey we still have community
12:52 hno73 so it's faster
12:52 klepas yep
12:53 jsgotangco we can put more resource to AUC
12:53 klepas but for example, our art could still easily get in
12:53 hno73 I think we need to identify which areas we can and should focus on
12:53 klepas even if it is not the default wallpaper for example
12:53 klepas it could still come in as one of the two or so others
12:53 hno73 exactly
12:54 klepas hno73: wallpapers, splashes, GDMs and that's about it
12:54 hno73 we are also adding 'Example Content'
12:54 hno73 which can include wallpapers and other images
12:54 klepas that does not mean that we can't do other stuff too, like GTK and metacity stuff,
but stuff like the above would have a higher chance
12:54 jsgotangco hno73, the example content, for example with OOo docs, we can use text from
public domain
12:54 hno73 it would be natural to take that fro the team
12:55 klepas so, basically as the art team we have a few things to do
12:55 klepas fix up wiki
12:55 hno73 right, as a base, but we can then include artwork in the documents
12:55 klepas get AUC working
12:55 klepas and start doing some art :)
12:55 hno73 get AUC working or replace AUC?
12:56 klepas i'll leave that up to your imagination
12:56 klepas :)
12:56 mhz and the very good thing about artwork from community is that we ALWAYS provide
SVG and source files :D
12:56 klepas mhz: yep
12:56 klepas it would be interesting to see whether we could get the XCF or PSD file for the
current breezy default wallpaper
12:57 hno73 I'm keen to separate the concepts of generating new art and selecting art for
inclusion
=== mhz hopes the pros understand they should also provide sources as thye work on Ubuntu (I am
who I am because ...)
12:57 hno73 the second can come from the whole FOSS world
12:58 mhz also, Artwork team can help LoCo teams
12:58 mhz they always need artwork
12:58 jsgotangco mhz, with little manpower at the moment?
12:58 klepas oh
12:58 klepas there was a sort of request though
12:58 mhz jsgotangco: hehehe, yes and no
12:58 klepas of the art team
12:58 jsgotangco we wouldnt want to spread ourselves thin :/
If the art team has the view they we will create art which will eventually be
12:58 hno73 included in the distro as a natural process, we will see a lot of frustration and
disapointment
12:59 mhz yup
12:59 klepas to make and manage universe art packages
12:59 klepas Mark and Jeff really would love some themed art packages
12:59 mhz unless we state it every where: "don't think you do this and ..."
12:59 klepas like a modern theme or a continental theme
01:00 hno73 fixing the accessible themes would be good too
01:00 klepas yea
01:01 hno73 and it should be easy because those icons are very basic
01:01 hno73 it currently breaks in stuff like OOo and firefox
01:01 hno73 defaulting to normal icons
01:01 klepas have you guyes seen artnay ?
01:02 hno73 accessibility will be installed in dapper by default, in various ways
01:02 hno73 So it would be nice if the themes worked better
01:02 mhz hno73: that is great!
01:03 hno73 mhz: yep, latest news from the distro sprint :)
01:03 hno73 https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2006-February/014969.html
01:04 jsgotangco the installer stuff news is great
01:05 hno73 yep. Do we have anyone on the team who can do simple icons?
01:06 jsgotangco well not for this cycle
01:06 klepas hno73: what do you mean?
=== jsgotangco used to be good with artowkr
01:07 hno73 klepas: what do I mean by simple icons?
01:07 hno73 like what is involved?
=== hno73 has never made any icons :)
01:08 jsgotangco svg makes them easier though
01:08 hno73 but it strikes be that the high viz ones are the easiest to do
01:09 hno73 it might even just be a question of tweaking, duplicating and symlinking a bit
01:09 klepas what i meant are these icons for?
01:09 hno73 the accessibility icons? Install the gnome high visibility theme to see them
01:10 mhz hno73: how many icons would you need?
01:10 hno73 they are very simple, high contast icons
01:10 klepas ah, okay
01:10 hno73 for people with poor vision
01:10 mhz hno73: rephrase.. icons to launch apps or icons per every button in each app?
01:11 hno73 mhz: not, sure. 20-30 perhaps and then check lot's of links and refrences
01:11 hno73 mhz: I think 90% of the launch icons are in place
01:12 hno73 but only 10% of the icons in the OOo and FF toolbars
01:12 hno73 but it might just be a question of copying and renaming
01:12 hno73 Gedit has a complete set AFAIR
=== mhz needs to check agenda.. he doesn't want to say "I own it" if later he can't
01:12 jsgotangco hmmm
=== jsgotangco can only test for now and do AUC
01:13 hno73 mhz: you know you want it :)
01:13 mhz hehehehe
01:14 mhz hno73: it's that in my ToDo list a Moin-a11y CSS had a priority
01:14 hno73 mhz: we were also talking about possibly moving AUC to moin
01:14 mhz and I guess I am already late for that :D
01:14 mhz hno73: that I read, but artnay has good points
01:14 hno73 mhz: I've been working on that too. we need to share notes :)
01:15 mhz and I have not had the chance to show off some Moin "plugins" or "macros" for
handling images
01:15 mhz artnay: ping?
01:16 mhz artnay_: ping
01:16 mhz ooofff, guys... family duties calling again!
01:16 mhz sorry I have to go
=== mhz will read backlogs again!!
01:17 hno73 OK, I think I should retire too
=== mhz is tired of reading logs instead of participating
01:17 hno73 Let's do another meeting again soon though
01:17 hno73 perhaps with a few more team members :)
01:17 jsgotangco good idea
01:17 jsgotangco who will write a report?
01:18 mhz yup
01:18 mhz not lukacu :D
=== jsgotangco work time already
01:18 hno73 :D
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01:18 jsgotangco we'll need fridge love so a report would be good
01:18 jsgotangco oh mhz left
01:19 jsgotangco hno73, a minute?
01:19 hno73 jsgotangco: yep
01:19 jsgotangco orchard TODO and target dates?
01:20 hno73 hm. You have a deadline soon right?
01:21 hno73 btw, I just moved the site today: http://www.theopencd.org/
01:21 hno73 finally, the wiki and website in one
01:22 hno73 a real moin-based CD is looking unrealistic for the next release though
01:22 jsgotangco ive tried it doing it, its been trashing the cd hard
01:22 hno73 how many new applications did you have in mind?
01:23 jsgotangco well i was thinking of doing a spinoff for mac
01:23 hno73 trying to write stuff to the CD?
01:23 hno73 oh, right
01:24 jsgotangco but are we still including livecd?
01:25 hno73 no I plan to drop that now.
01:25 jsgotangco ok i'll make up a list then
01:25 hno73 people will distribute pure live CDs anyway
01:25 hno73 and it makes derivatives difficult
01:26 hno73 plus it sqeezes the space too much
01:26 hno73 it was a good idea, but not that useful
01:26 jsgotangco ok so i'll just go wild on the orchard wiki?
01:27 hno73 Ubuntu is much bigger than theopencd so it doesn't really need the marketing help
:)
01:27 hno73 jsgotangco: yes, please do
01:27 jsgotangco i'll consider pia's suggestions too
01:27 hno73 the edu-cd?
01:27 jsgotangco well not a separate cd
01:28 hno73 but more educational stuff
01:28 jsgotangco we have like 400MB+ now available :)
01:28 hno73 there isn't really that much good stuff for win
01:28 hno73 yep
01:28 jsgotangco how about open content
01:29 hno73 yes, the open clip art lib should go in now
01:29 hno73 as can wallpapers and stuff
01:29 hno73 Ubuntu art team wallpapers!
=== hno73 hopes inkscape is stable enough on win32 to go in now
01:30 hno73 it was pretty bad before
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01:30 hno73 we do need to be quite careful about quality
01:31 hno73 ok, I should go now
01:31 jsgotangco ok good night
01:32 hno73 jsgotangco: just ping me tomorrow or whenever
01:32 jsgotangco k
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