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• Kubuntu Council Catch up

LINK: https://rt.ubuntu.com//Ticket/Display.html?id=20296 (Riddell, 17:16:26)

Meeting ended at 17:45:29 UTC.

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• czajkowski (36)
• Riddell (36)
• beuno (27)
• dholbach (17)
• pleia2 (17)
• Darkwing (16)

• JontheEchidna (7)

• jono (7)
• shadeslayer (3)
• meetingology (3)
• xnox (2)
• sabdfl (1)

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• 17:02:21 <czajkowski> #startmeeting

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  17:02:27 <czajkowski> aloha and welcome to the CC meeting 17:02:40 * pleia2 waves

  17:02:41 <czajkowski> just waiting on some CC folks to join and we shall continue shortly

  17:03:08 <czajkowski> #topic Kubuntu Council Catch up

  17:03:31 <czajkowski> so who's here from the CC ?

  17:03:41 <beuno> o/

  17:03:53 <dholbach> I am, sort of

  17:03:56 <pleia2>

  17:04:01 <dholbach> still busy with the Ubuntu 24h crazyness marathon

  17:04:02 <czajkowski> ok then

  17:04:20 <czajkowski> so Kubuntu council, thanks for coming along, how are things going with you guys these days ?

  17:04:40 <Riddell> well mixed

  17:04:55 <Riddell> you'll know that canonical dropped us as a supported flavour earlier this year 17:05:00 * pleia2 nods

  17:05:26 <Riddell> the announcement for that was handled really badly by canonical

  17:05:59 <pleia2> yeah, it was very confusing for a lot of people

  17:06:01 <Riddell> the only communication to the kubuntu community was an e-mail which would be great for any politician, managed to say nothing about what was happening

  17:06:13 <JontheEchidna> (I suppose those of us here from KC should also wave)

  17:06:36 <Riddell> and they changed the message about support for 12.04 which I had to read about in someone blog comments

  17:06:46 <pleia2>

  17:06:47 <Riddell> so that was pretty disappointing treatment of the community

  17:07:08 <beuno> right

  17:07:11 <Darkwing> I'm still recieving some wonderful comments based on that.

  17:07:17 <czajkowski> nods was this brought up in the last meeting I think ?

  17:07:22 <beuno> Riddell, and you feel that hasn't been "fixed">

  17:07:29 <czajkowski> this is the 2nd time we've meet wtih kubuntu council.

  17:07:42 <beuno> s/>/?

  17:07:55 <JontheEchidna> I'm not sure what could be done to "fix" it. It may be "water under the bridge" at this point.

  17:08:12 <JontheEchidna> it's hard to re-do a press announcement

  17:08:17 <beuno> indeed

  17:08:26 <beuno> so what do things look like moving forward?

  17:08:42 <Riddell> now we have a company who wants to sponsor us by providing a the support service canonical dropped

  17:08:53 <Riddell> and I get e-mails from people asking for just this

  17:09:05 <Riddell> but they've been in discussions with canonical since april and it still hasn't happened

  17:09:13 <Riddell> so that feels really frustrating

  17:09:38 <Darkwing> From the community standpoint, people are asking if Canonical is stalling because they still "own" kubuntu

  17:09:42 <JontheEchidna> when you say "it still hasn't happened", you are referring to discussions between the company wanting to provide support, and canonical?

  17:09:46 <Darkwing> That's the reaction I have recieved.

  17:09:54 <beuno> yeah, of course

  17:10:04 <beuno> nothing moving forward, no communication

  17:10:05 <Riddell> if canonical don't want to support kubuntu I get that (they have to make money) but now they're stopping the community from being able to do useful things

  17:10:11 <beuno> doesn't benefit anyone

  17:10:11 <JontheEchidna> e.g. canonical saying, "yes, you can provide support for kubuntu"?

  17:10:28 <Riddell> JontheEchidna: right, it's their agreement is moving forward but at a snails pace

  17:10:30 <czajkowski> Riddell: who have you been dealing with in Canonical?

  17:10:34 <Riddell> I'm told there's only 1 issue left to go

  17:10:40 <czajkowski> I think we the CC can chase up on this if needed.

  17:10:45 <beuno> Riddell, JontheEchidna, Darkwing, we'll chase this up

  17:10:47 <beuno> right

  17:10:48 <beuno>

  17:10:54 <Riddell> czajkowski: amanda and steve george

  17:11:28 <beuno> k, we'll get on the case and let you guys know

  17:11:38 <beuno> this seems the worst of all situations

  17:11:46 <Darkwing> This conversation started at last UDS. IMO, this is killing our community of support.

  17:12:21 <Riddell> actually it started before then, UDS was when we finally got a meeting

  17:12:23 <beuno> of course, uncertainty is terrible for businesses

  17:12:33 <Darkwing> Not to mention the trust of the community of Ubuntu/Canonical (They are being lumped into one at this point

  17:12:36 <Darkwing> )

  17:13:07 <czajkowski> Darkwing: I can understand that, it might have been an idea to have pinged the CC in the mean time if there was a delay

  17:13:19 <Darkwing> Of course, I've been out of the daily loop the last 3 months.

  17:13:20 <czajkowski> we dont have any control over the Canonical communications but could have chased up on things before now

  17:13:46 <pleia2> yeah, always feel free to come to us

  17:13:58 <pleia2> I'm glad we have these catchup meetings though, good to catch stuff like this

  17:14:06 <Riddell> there's no deliberate attempt to restrict kubuntu there, but we're so low down on the priority list it just doesn't get done

  17:14:13 <Riddell> another issue is getting sysadmin to update the website

  17:14:25 <pleia2> yeah, I saw that ticket from August the other day

  17:14:29 <Darkwing>

  17:14:32 <pleia2> have you followed up with them on IRC?

  17:14:46 <Riddell> I don't know who to ping any more

  17:15:10 <dholbach> the people in #canonical-sysadmin should be able to help

  17:15:12 <pleia2> in #canonical-sysadmin they always have a "vanguard" in the topic

  17:15:15 <dholbach> on freenode

  17:15:17 <czajkowski> Riddell: like all RTs #canonical-sysadmin in freenode

  17:15:27 <Riddell> I'd rather just move off canonical's web servers but I know that'll end up in another months long issue of getting it approved

  17:15:28 <pleia2> they'll be the active one at the time (best to ask during weekdays)

  17:16:06 <Riddell> I guess I'll try that

  17:16:17 <czajkowski> Riddell: do you have an RT number ?

  17:16:26 <Riddell> https://rt.ubuntu.com//Ticket/Display.html?id=20296

  17:16:29 <czajkowski> there is a vanguard on there all days at least and even some weekends

  17:16:33 <beuno> Riddell, how about filing an RT to move the domain off of canonical? it will at least be a food place to document and discuss

  17:17:19 <Riddell> beuno: one thing at a time! I don't want to distract them!

  17:17:32 <beuno> heh

  17:17:35 <pleia2>

  17:17:43 <beuno> smart man

  17:17:58 <czajkowski> does ayone else from the council have any other comments

  17:18:08 <czajkowski> I've just pinged somone in the IS channel to follow up on the RT

  17:18:19 <pleia2> the quetzal+kubuntu logo from that beta post is so great

  17:18:36 <Riddell> for the coming UDS I don't know what track to put specs into or who will accept the specs for UDS

  17:18:47 <Riddell> czajkowski: you mean someone other than me moaning

  17:19:05 <czajkowski> Riddell: no I just mean someone elses view as well

  17:19:07 <czajkowski> if they want

  17:19:10 <czajkowski> it's an open meeting

  17:19:20 <Darkwing> Just from my observations in the Kubuntu community

  17:19:35 <Darkwing> This is still teh biggest issue 17:19:41 * pleia2 nods

  17:19:50 <Darkwing> Because our hands are completly tied.

  17:19:59 <beuno> yeah, I'm really sorry to hear we're still in this situation

  17:20:19 <Darkwing> Canonical severed the buisness situation and then we are not allowed to fix it yet.

  17:20:45 <sabdfl> hi folks

  17:20:50 <Darkwing> Hey Mark

  17:21:00 <czajkowski> 18:19 < deej> czajkowski: I'll give the score a bump on it

  17:21:00 <czajkowski> 18:19 < deej> It's not a big deal but it's not a five minute thing either

  17:21:03 <czajkowski> 18:19 < czajkowski> deej: can you give me an ETA rougly please

  17:21:04 <shadeslayer> hi

  17:21:06 <czajkowski> 18:20 < deej> czajkowski: Is it urgent enough that it should take precedence over release stuff?

  17:21:09 <czajkowski> 18:20 < czajkowski> not over release stuff no

  17:21:12 <czajkowski> 18:20 < czajkowski> but is high as it's reported a few months ago

  17:21:14 <czajkowski> 18:20 < deej> Okay, so I'll score it so it should happen pretty much immediately post-release

  17:21:17 <czajkowski> so the RT ticket will be looked into

  17:21:20 <czajkowski> and again if there are other RTs that need to be followed up on please jsut ask

  17:21:34 <Darkwing> So, August RT is not going to be looked at for another month?

  17:21:43 <pleia2> release is in 2 weeks

  17:21:53 <Riddell> that means we'll have out of date content on the website for the release

  17:22:00 <Darkwing> Riddell: +1

  17:22:58 <beuno> as for UDS

  17:22:59 <czajkowski> well we;re in a better place than we were 10 mins ago

  17:23:06 <Riddell> yep, thanks

  17:23:16 <beuno> Riddell, wouldn't you follow the same process as x/lubuntu?

  17:23:31 <Riddell> beuno: I don't know what that is

  17:23:47 <beuno> dholbach, you look like a persona who does know!

  17:24:23 <beuno> or maybe jono is around?

  17:24:32 <jono> hey

  17:24:36 <dholbach> beuno, we're in a hangout on air

  17:24:37 <beuno> \o/

  17:24:52 <dholbach> beuno, which xubuntu/lubuntu process were you referring to?

  17:25:03 <beuno> 17:18 < Riddell> for the coming UDS I don't know what track to put specs into or who will accept the specs for UDS

  17:25:04 <jono> what can I help with?

  17:25:06 <beuno> dholbach, ^

  17:25:09 <Darkwing> jcastro... just ask Jorge

  17:25:45 <jono> Riddell, just put them on the logical tracks (E.g. Desktop for KDE related topics, Foundations for lower level bits, Community for governance)

  17:25:52 <jono> and ask the track leads to ensure they get scheduled

  17:25:58 <dholbach> beuno, ah sorry - I must have missed that bit - if you choose Desktop, it might help to have a chat with Jason Warner before and if you choose 'other' I think it was Kate in the past

  17:26:52 <jono> there will be no Other track this time

  17:26:54 <jono> we removed it

  17:26:56 <dholbach> ah ok

  17:26:59 <jono> we might need to update the website

  17:27:40 <dholbach> I'll make a note

  17:28:20 <Riddell> I think I'm out of moans

  17:29:41 <Riddell> oh I forsee issues if ubuntu gets rid of alpha and beta milestones but that's a technical issue rather than community

  17:29:55 <pleia2> yeah

  17:30:28 <xnox> Riddell: release management was under "other" track last time... wasn't it?!

  17:30:44 <Riddell> xnox: yes, dunno what track that'll be this time

  17:30:50 <xnox> Riddell: plus there will be feedback from R session where I think that will come up =)

  17:33:23 <Riddell> czajkowski: any other questions?

  17:33:52 <czajkowski> Riddell: can you please let the CC know the exact outstanding issue that you are wating to hear back on, either here or via email please so we can follow up on this

  17:34:10 <dholbach> how is the actual work on Kubuntu coming on? do you have new contributors helping out?

  17:35:30 <Riddell> we seem to have a good number of contributors, not sure we're doing as good at recruitment as we have done

  17:35:53 <dholbach> I saw a couple of folks who might be ready for upload rights

  17:36:09 <dholbach> I'll reach out to them again - maybe they'll need encouragement from others as well

  17:36:17 <Riddell> yeah that would be good

  17:36:34 <dholbach> I'll let you know how it goes

  17:37:57 <Riddell> czajkowski: ok I'll send an e-mail

  17:38:14 <czajkowski> Riddell: thank you

  17:39:33 <dholbach> apart from recruitment - do you think the kubuntu community is working out fine generally? just in terms of getting things done?

  17:40:38 <Riddell> dholbach: for distro development yes I think so

  17:41:21 <dholbach> ok great

  17:41:24 <dholbach> that's good to know

  17:42:05 * JontheEchidna agrees

  17:42:19 * shadeslayer agree as well

  17:42:48 <shadeslayer> while we could always do with more people, we're managing well

  17:43:49 <czajkowski> any other comments folks ?

  17:44:16 <beuno> none from me

  17:44:36 <dholbach> no, I think I'm all set as well

  17:44:53 <JontheEchidna> all set here

  17:45:07 <pleia2> thanks for joining us

  17:45:13 <Riddell> thanks for inviting us

  17:45:25 <czajkowski> thanks folks for coming along

  17:45:29 <czajkowski> #endmeeting

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