Edubuntu/Meetings/Logs/2006-03-08

2006-03-08

Meeting March

01:01 JaneW 01:01 JaneW === 01:02 flint === 01:03 JaneW 01:03 ogra 01:03 ogra 01:03 JaneW 01:03 JaneW 01:03 jelkner === 01:03 JaneW 01:03 JaneW 01:03 JaneW 01:04 jelkner 01:04 jelkner 01:04 JaneW 01:04 flint 01:04 ogra 01:04 ogra 01:05 flint 01:05 JaneW === 01:05 01:05 ogra 01:06 JaneW 01:06 flint 01:06 01:06 ogra 01:06 01:07 flint 01:07 01:07 JaneW 01:07 ogra 01:07 ogra 01:07 flint 01:07 flint 01:08 ogra === 01:08 ogra 01:08 ogra 01:08 JaneW 01:08 ogra 01:09 01:09 flint 01:09 JaneW 01:09 ogra 01:09 flint 01:09 JaneW 01:09 ogra 01:09 01:10 01:10 ogra 01:10 flint 01:10 ogra 01:10 flint 01:11 01:11 ogra === 01:11 ogra 01:11 ogra 01:12 ogra 01:12 ogra 01:12 01:12 ogra === 01:13 spacey 01:13 JaneW 01:13 JaneW 01:13 01:13 ogra 01:13 01:13 ogra 01:13 ogra 01:14 ogra 01:14 01:14 flint 01:14 ogra 01:14 ogra 01:14 01:15 ogra 01:15 01:15 JaneW 01:15 ogra 01:15 flint 01:15 JaneW 01:16 ogra 01:16 01:16 flint 01:16 ogra 01:16 01:16 ogra 01:17 flint === 01:17 ogra 01:17 JaneW 01:17 ogra 01:18 jelkner 01:18 ogra 01:18 flint 01:18 jelkner 01:18 ogra 01:19 01:19 JaneW 01:19 01:19 01:19 jelkner 01:19 ogra 01:19 JaneW === 01:20 01:20 JaneW 01:20 ogra 01:20 jelkner 01:20 JaneW 01:20 jelkner 01:20 ogra 01:20 01:21 jelkner 01:21 JaneW === 01:21 JaneW 01:21 01:21 spacey 01:21 spacey 01:21 jelkner 01:21 spacey 01:21 ogra 01:22 jelkner 01:22 jelkner 01:22 01:22 JaneW 01:22 ogra 01:22 01:22 ogra 01:22 jelkner 01:22 JaneW 01:22 JaneW 01:23 JaneW 01:23 01:23 JaneW === 01:23 jelkner 01:23 01:23 spacey 01:23 01:23 ogra 01:23 spacey 01:23 JaneW 01:23 01:23 jelkner 01:23 JaneW 01:23 spacey 01:23 spacey 01:23 JaneW 01:24 01:24 01:24 spacey 01:24 spacey 01:24 jelkner 01:24 flint 01:24 flint 01:24 01:25 jelkner 01:25 01:25 jelkner 01:25 spacey 01:25 mhz 01:25 jelkner 01:25 spacey 01:26 01:26 spacey 01:26 01:27 flint 01:27 spacey 01:27 flint 01:28 01:28 jelkner 01:28 JaneW 01:28 flint 01:28 spacey 01:28 flint 01:28 JaneW 01:28 jelkner 01:29 01:29 JaneW 01:29 JaneW 01:29 JaneW 01:29 flint 01:29 01:29 JaneW 01:29 01:29 flint 01:30 JaneW 01:30 01:30 JaneW 01:30 flint 01:30 01:31 jelkner 01:31 spacey 01:31 01:31 flint 01:31 flint 01:31 01:31 01:32 flint 01:32 JaneW 01:32 flint 01:32 JaneW 01:32 JaneW 01:33 spacey 01:33 01:33 flint 01:33 spacey 01:34 flint 01:34 01:35 01:35 01:35 JaneW 01:35 JaneW 01:35 01:35 01:36 JaneW === 01:36 01:36 JaneW 01:36 01:36 JaneW 01:36 01:36 JaneW 01:37 01:37 JaneW 01:37 01:37 JaneW 01:37 01:37 01:37 JaneW 01:38 01:38 JaneW 01:38 JaneW 01:38 01:38 01:38 JaneW 01:38 01:38 01:39 JaneW 01:40 JaneW 01:40 01:40 JaneW 01:40 01:41 JaneW 01:41 01:41 ogra 01:41 01:41 JaneW 01:41 ogra 01:42 ogra 01:42 JaneW 01:42 01:42 ogra 01:42 JaneW 01:42 01:42 JaneW 01:42 ogra 01:42 01:42 JaneW 01:43 01:43 01:43 JaneW 01:43 JaneW 01:43 01:43 === 01:44 01:44 01:44 flint 01:44 JaneW 01:44 JaneW 01:45 01:45 JaneW 01:45 JaneW 01:46 01:46 01:46 01:46 01:46 ogra 01:46 01:47 01:47 01:47 ogra 01:47 01:48 === 01:48 JaneW 01:49 JaneW 01:50 01:50 JaneW 01:50 01:50 JaneW 01:50 01:50 mhz 01:51 01:51 JaneW 01:51 JaneW 01:51 JaneW 01:52 JaneW 01:52 JaneW 01:52 mhz 01:52 JaneW 01:52 JaneW 01:53 ogra 01:53 ogra 01:54 mhz 01:54 01:54 JaneW 01:54 01:54 mhz 01:54 01:55 mhz 01:55 JaneW 01:55 mhz 01:55 JaneW 01:56 mhz 01:56 ogra 01:56 JaneW 01:56 ogra 01:56 mhz 01:56 ogra 01:56 ogra 01:57 ogra 01:57 ogra 01:58 mhz === 01:58 ogra 01:58 mhz 01:58 mhz 01:58 01:58 ogra 01:58 ogra 01:59 ogra === 01:59 mhz 01:59 01:59 ogra === 01:59 mhz 02:00 mhz 02:00 mhz 02:00 ogra 02:00 JaneW 02:00 mhz 02:00 JaneW 02:00 ogra 02:01 ogra 02:01 ogra 02:01 ogra 02:01 02:01 JaneW 02:01 ogra === 02:02 ogra 02:02 JaneW 02:02 ogra 02:03 mhz === 02:03 mhz 02:03 mhz 02:03 ogra 02:03 flint 02:03 JaneW 02:03 ogra 02:03 JaneW 02:03 JaneW 02:04 JaneW 02:04 ogra 02:04 JaneW 02:04 mhz 02:04 JaneW 02:04 ogra 02:04 mhz 02:04 mhz 02:04 ogra 02:05 ogra 02:05 JaneW 02:05 mhz 02:05 mhz 02:05 mhz 02:06 mhz 02:09 mhz 02:09 JaneW === 02:09 JaneW 02:09 ogra === 02:10 JaneW 02:10 JaneW 02:10 ogra 02:10 ogra 02:10 JaneW 02:10 mhz 02:11 JaneW 02:11 jsgotangco 02:11 jsgotangco 02:11 ogra 02:12 ogra 02:12 ogra 02:12 jsgotangco 02:12 spacey 02:12 jsgotangco 02:13 jsgotangco 02:13 jsgotangco 02:13 sivang 02:13 flint 02:13 flint === === === 02:16 JaneW 02:16 JaneW 02:17 jsgotangco

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01:01 JaneW       hi everyone who is here ? ogra hides JaneW, flint is flint... good morning, my girl child is vacationing from school, life is hell jelkner is Jeffrey Elkner ogra: get*back*here! heh but i dont have much to tell today ... highvoltage: you in the house? pips1_away had to leave JaneW: don't let him lie to you, she dragging him to concerts and stuff... life's a *blast*! highvoltage is here!!!! is mhz, spacey or jsgotangco here? and no kjcole ok let start anyway kjcole was at FOSE he may not make it here today ogra: please start, can you do a quick 2 week summary, since I was away last week? I did see George Clinton last night (note not the ex-president:^) hum ... i need to dig up last week then .... JaneW, last week we ended the meeting early remember Ollie? ogra: ok just this week then if it's a problem JaneW does not believe it! highvoltage flint: uhm, your previous president was Bill Clinton, not George Clinton ;) this week i was mainly busy with fixing gnome-screensaver bugs ... there is not much to tell for it ... last week i built the first edubuntu-docs package with highvoltages docs and cared for the CD highvoltage 's docs? what the tuXlabs troubleshoot guide? highvoltage, jonathan it should have been George Clinton.  P-Funk would have been his cabinet. highvoltage flint: :) over the weekend i did the last ltsp merges fro other peoples branches, this was the last merge, now ltsp wont change much apart from bugsfixing highvoltage JaneW: it's pre-release updates to our howto, which included some Edubuntu stuff ogra, you got a flight to test? highvoltage JaneW: ogra cleaned it up a bit and packaged it, in order to achieve first draft status in time, iirc nice, thanks flint, flights are announced on the mailing list i doubt there will be one within this week ... ogra, just wanted you to know I am ready. :^) note that producing a flight takes two full workdays for me ... highvoltage apt-gets edubuntu-docs i cant bear to loose two days of a week currently highvoltage, it has a bug, i'll fix it today ogra: when do we expect the next flight? Next week possibly? but feel free to send me changes highvoltage ogra: where can i get the ubuntu docs on my system? excellent work you two.  my only question is does the apt-get alter the default page of the browser to show the docs? how is our testing and bug fixing going this cycle? JaneW, likely ... i dont know what Kamion does, i guess he wants espresso in shape before the next flight ..to reveal the docs... yes espresso is his main priority, infinity may do the next flight highvoltage, /usr/share/ubuntu-docs/ i think highvoltage flint: i would suggest that the main page link to the docs highvoltage ogra: ok thanks, i looked in /edubuntu-docs/ flint, it will highvoltage, bingo.  I know how to do this... highvoltage, you asked for ubuntu-docs :) ogra, ...and so do you... thanks. highvoltage ogra: oops! ogra, I can't find the edubuntu docs :/ apart from that i'm currently fiddling with the artwork package highvoltage looks inside package :) there must be 2 html pages but they have a bug, the patch is wrong ... i havent looked into it yet *path if you cant find them, just get the source packlage highvoltage ogra: i got it, i think i was to hasty in getting there apt-get source edubuntu-docs spacey [n=herman@ubuntu/member/spacey] has joined #ubuntu-meeting hi ;o ogra: how is the roadmap to the release looking? Do you want to publish something on the wiki? hi spacey highvoltage oosh. /me finds some old typos. not yet ... i'm to busy with ubuntu stuff ... highvoltage ogra: can I just make changes to that html file, and send it back to you? the screensaver still needs a lot of love yup thats why i picked html ... highvoltage ok excellent. ogra, I am really sorry I missed mdz's performance in London - not! :^) we can convert it later into something sane (and if we miss that we still have html :) ) highvoltage yep :) (i'm completely fine with html) oh, i'm working on a edubuntu menu logo, many people were intrested in that highvoltage ogra: about the testing, do you feel that we need more testing, and can you elaborate on where we need more testing? so where does that leave us ito the cook book? highvoltage, all the time ... highvoltage, I standby ready to test. ogra: yay thanks - re logo, that will help highvoltage, major area is ltap and indeed the edu stuff that distinguishes use from ubuntu highvoltage ogra: i've been testing it quite intensely for the last week or so, and I can't find new things that's wrong with it anymore ogra, ltap == ltsp? JaneW, it doesnt look much different ... i even doubt people recognize the difference at this size ... highvoltage cross bewteen ldap and ltsp?" flint, yes ogra, so inventing new protocols again eh? :^) mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has joined #ubuntu-meeting highvoltage, the fix for the ssh-key creation sould be in the package this week ... so there will be testinstalls needed ogra: I think ppl notice it's not right, but may not notice when it is... JaneW, yep ogra: what does ltap stand for? for a typo jelkner, it was a typo!! sorry ;-) s is aside a on my keyboard ... :) highvoltage JaneW: on the cookbook question, i think that dapper won't include the entire cookbook, just the software and technical module updates from tuxlab howto 2.0 ok, but does that mean all the other cook book effort was in vain, or will that still be used? highvoltage ogra: can you confirm that i'm correct there? highvoltage JaneW: it will still be used JaneW: have you seen the wiki? highvoltage, yes ok, good JaneW is glad highvoltage JaneW: the new modules will just be swallowed by the work already done jelkner: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook ? JaneW, its just not ready enough yet ... JaneW: and it won't be by release ogra: ok, so we can publish it on the wiki then etc the cookbook is shaping up to be a community document but we wont ship without docs, thats why we coose the current path highvoltage JaneW: but we will have the basic documentation covered it will evolve as users submit "recipes" on how they use Edubuntu jelkner: ok, but let's not lose momentum and let it die out. It needs to be finished and used ogra still needs to put a day into the ltsp specifics ... ok highvoltage which covers installation, troubleshooting, basic tweaking, some very basic administration, etc. how to get online :P JaneW: kevin and i plan to continue meeting to work on it to look for more docs hehe but it will be much easier for us *after* dapper is released we won't have to write about a moving target highvoltage i think the edubuntu cookbook is a big job, i have confidence in flint's drive in it jelkner: excellent, thank-you :)) jelkner, but everything you wrote is obsolete then highvoltage (and jelkner and kevin, of course) :) since we have a new moving target ogra: why? jelkner: I thought you liked a challenge jelkner: but point taken jelkner: so you'll finish just in time to start the next version highvoltage perhaps it's just a bigger challenge for ogra to keep good backward compatibility with settings :) ? JaneW hides lol highvoltage this version is a bigger job than future versions, anyway i fill fix up the hardware requirements page of the cookbook before next meeting highvoltage because the first version was based on K12-LTSP jelkner, 80% of the stuff i'd have written for breezy would have to be wiped for dapper the distro changes with every release that worksheet is completely empty btw spacey: thanks highvoltage once it's edubunturised, it will be easier to update as it grows, it will be easier to update oh and congrats to spacey does it correspond with the work that has been done? JaneW: thanks :) he was granted ubuntu memebership yesterday highvoltage what's currently the biggest challenge with the cookbook? highvoltage spacey: cool, congrats! yey thanks :P highvoltage: getting people to submit recipes never forget the groucho marx quote "I don't care to belong to a club that accepts people like me as members." :^) highvoltage ah, right. it's more than just a howto, right? it contains a bunch of mini-howto's too? highvoltage: exactly highvoltage jelkner: i could get you some tuxlab-specific recipies, which could be modified. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook well you need to cover the basics first spacey: wow! congrats!! highvoltage: go for it mhz: ty:) highvoltage jelkner: i'll try to have it upline before the end of the meeting https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Worksheet <<-- almost empty highvoltage *online spacey, congratulations on the membership btw... ty ok, regarding the book, I think what you lack is an editor. highvoltage flint: i thought you were the editor? flint: kevin and i will do that highvoltage: no jelkner and kjcole are editing highvoltage, see what i mean?  writers love to be editors... jelkner: maybe add an extra column which describes the status(completed, wip, etc) for each chapter to the worksheet. like programmers love to be developers... spacey: that's a good idea good idea, spacey, i'll add that presently... highvoltage flint: if i love to create, what does that make me? jelkner: : you can use my cool colours too highvoltage: a father? *duck* jelkner, you are the writer, not the editor.  an editor manages the work. highvoltage JaneW: eh.. not yet, no :) highvoltage: sorry, just kidding highvoltage :) JaneW, you do as good a job of this as anyone... but I would say your plate is full. I could look at *some* of it highvoltage you know, when it comes to writing, there's nothing like a bit of pressure but can;t volunteer for the whole job as I'd never manage to finish it highvoltage, it makes you a jewel, a pearl of rare price... highvoltage what about setting a deadline, even if it's unreasonable, for say, the end of April for a complete first draft? ok, status column is there.  kjcoloe and i will update that this sunday maybe also add some quality control, personally i think each chapter should at least be checked twice by other persons. a tech person and a grammer nazi. highvoltage and then we make someone like flint the editor and give him the whip? highvoltage, indeed a writer needs a fixed goal. highvoltage, oh i so much prefer the blade... highvoltage spacey: absolutely highvoltage flint: that can be arranged JaneW, or deadline is march 26 or so.  where is that url? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DapperReleaseSchedule thank you jane March 23rd Doc Freeze so highvoltage i don't think it's realistic that a high-quality, finished document will be available by then :/ JaneW, indeed i misspoke from memory. thats hard work :P highvoltage, you can have it good, cheap or fast.  pick two. highvoltage flint: good, cheap highvoltage perhaps we should arrange another meeting for docs? highvoltage JaneW: time to move on? highvoltage: yes ok, web site? highvoltage sure. highvoltage the proto.edubuntu.org.za is set up but we can't see it... flint listening to elkner whine on voice... highvoltage i'll send the username and passowrd to everyone with gpg keys on launchpad soon highvoltage: ok thanks :) highvoltage there's not much to see at the moment, Znarl could only give me login access to the server today highvoltage: so how does it look? highvoltage so the theming fun will only start from now oic highvoltage JaneW: like a very dull plain drupal site highvoltage: have you got your ideas worked out? highvoltage JaneW: due to change shortly great highvoltage JaneW: yep, mostly. highvoltage JaneW: i haven't worked out how they'll fit in with philips plans, but we'll make it work. ok, are the 2 of you in contact? highvoltage JaneW: yes, almost every day there are only about 5 weeks to get everything sorted, with Easter in between highvoltage: excellent thanks highvoltage Easter is probably when I'll get the bulk of it done highvoltage i'd like to get the theming and layout sorted ASAP oh... yay then highvoltage and then pump in content, especially over easter highvoltage when people stop bothering me are you wroking independently from the official 6.04 theme? highvoltage: also we are thinking about using that wallpaper I showed earlier - esp if the guy tones it down a notch highvoltage i looked at the style-guides, apart from that, i haven't seen a 6.04 theme yet for the young version anyway highvoltage JaneW: i think he'll need to tone it down quite drastically, it won't look nice in a lab if it's repeated over 20+ PC's, but i'll send him my suggestions as well ogra: which one will be the dfeault again? the older one? highvoltage ogra: with theming, at one stage it was discussed that debconf will ask which art set you want. is that dapper+1? (i'm thinking cd space here) JaneW, mid age+ highvoltage edubuntu girl :) ogra: right highvoltage, nope we'll install mid age by default highvoltage: so that wouldn't be in a lab unless the young one is chosen highvoltage ok. the admin can dpkg-reconfigure the edubuntu-artwork package highvoltage: I expect home users are more loikely to chose the young install highvoltage ogra: will all the wallpapers be installed by default, so that a user can choose another one? highvoltage: but can you contact him? or should I? highvoltage, yep highvoltage JaneW: I don't mind contacting him highvoltage: cool thanks - you have a better artistic eye too :) highvoltage JaneW: I think i will regardless, but you can contact him too if you want highvoltage JaneW: :) highvoltage: you negotiate the changes, and I'll negotioate that he's happy we ship with it (if we do). Ok? flint: and you will be happy that it's diversity sensitive highvoltage JaneW: yes sir! highvoltage erm.. mam! licio [[email protected]] has joined #ubuntu-meeting highvoltage JaneW: i'll check with the diversification as well ;) highvoltage but we can make sure that the others are happy too JaneW, absolutely. highvoltage: we'll def get a vote on it first it will NOT be on my head this time highvoltage JaneW: of course we are talking about a modification of this btw http://art.ubuntu.com/images/backgrounds/Edubuntu-Children_Of_Edubuntu_1024x768.png for the Junior wallpaper highvoltage i'm going to suggest that he makes the heads much smaller, put them at the left halfway in the brown part highvoltage with the edubuntu logo at the right highvoltage then make the hill smaller, and add some more hills highvoltage and put the rainbow on the hill thats closest to the edubuntu logo. be carefull with the red logo on the green background highvoltage something like that, and then we modify from there highvoltage ogra: yeah, the edubuntu logo will have to be more or less completely in the brown highvoltage ogra, JaneW: are we very strict that the edubuntu logo should keep its colours? or add a drop shadow if you put it on green ... just dont put it plain into the green highvoltage if you look at the Ubuntu wallpaper, they modified the logo to fit in with the wallpaper highvoltage ogra: ok. i agree. mhz silently whishes everyone uploaded SVG's + png's or jpg's highvoltage: yes the logo is the logo now, we can;t tinker with it highvoltage: so yo are saying he must totally change it! lol (but I agree) highvoltage JaneW: no, not totally change it, just possible fade it, or make the colours more neutral yup, agreed highvoltage JaneW: like Ubuntu's artwork the hues on the current wall paper are nice highvoltage they are. they remind me of mario brothers, somehow. makes me nostalgic. :) highvoltage it has an element of fun that other distro's don't have yup it's very discriminatory though makes me feel marginalised because they have no noses ;) lol lol  -->  EdubuntuGirl_1024x76..> 31-Dec-1969 19:00   56K mhz: oh! gosh, ok edubuntu - the distro with no nose damned we'll get tons of complaints again highvoltage: when I could finally upload/submit 1 wallpaper for edubuntu dapper (1 month ago or so) it was never shown. Was that too ugly? Then I tried to upload 2 more... unsuccessfully highvoltage ogra: we'll just cut off their noses, then they can't complain ok, do we have anymore real topics to discuss? highvoltage mhz: the people on your wallpapers had noses. this is unacceptable! lol highvoltage mhz: where did you upload it, can we have a look again? highvoltage: a.u.c mhz: to the artwork site? it took me like 10 minutes to figure out how to do it :( mhz: they were prolly never processes - I will log in and look... JaneW: it is ok, I usually end up disliking my ideas for artwork when I look at them after 2 weeks :) yeah they need an admin to promote them hrm, if I find my login I will do it just FYI: lol http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/total.html.en thats the download stats for the swedish mirror according to it, edubuntu was downloaded 842005 times sucessfully from there between 3 NOV and today err yesterday hmm, why there are 5 wallpapers dated 1969, same person? jeang [[email protected]] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] they are from the early days of ubuntu ;) ogra: is that little or lot?\ ogra: lol highvoltage ogra: oh my word, that's a *lot* of edubuntu downloads! eighthundrethousand ? is that little or lot ? :) highvoltage wonders if it's right ooohhhhhhh, times downloaded!!!!????? highvoltage it's more than 9 terrabytes of download, if i read correctly we're still 40000 behind Kubuntu :) mhz is still under effects of pills so he's very sloooooowwww (more than usual) ogra: could that info be wrong? or not accurate? unlikely ogra: oh we told silbs 100 000, when we should have said 1 000 000 maybe 'tries' to be donwloaded? but that sounds WAY too high to me thats a very big university, i think they get the stats for their servers right JaneW, look in #c :) i dont think the stats are wrong ... (we might interpret them wrongly though... but i doubt that) highvoltage JaneW: in this case, our estimates of a few thousand was way pesimistic this morning :) ogra: what you posted here is magnitude of 10 more yes mhz whishes at least 100 of them were teachers providing feedback but what we looked at was a weekly stat goeie genaade! so it sounds about right JaneW: will edubuntu be shipped this tiem? highvoltage must go now, thanks everyone time highvoltage: c ya yes later jonathan!!! mhz: not yet official only the install CD though mhz: but a probable yes *bounce* bye highvoltage (make that a *very* likely) thank-you JaneW: what does this depend on? mhz: management mhz, management decisions again? hehehe always but its pretty sure already that we'll get it mhz: that's how companies work :P will ubuntu design guys provide CD artwork? ubuntu = caninial canonical .oO(sloppy fingers!) hello? mhz: I *think* so ogra hasnt heard anything yet ok is this meeting over? i'd think so jsgotangco [[email protected]] has joined #ubuntu-meeting mhz: but if the compnay ships them officially, I think the packaging will be official too jsgotangco: good timing :P even jsgotangco comes to clean up the room ... must be over :) ogra: hahaha JaneW: then, no need to provide it via community? mhz: not AFAIK eh? i just finished the day with an edubuntu talk cool :) jsgotangco, you missed the download stats look for edubuntu: http://www.acc.umu.se/technical/statistics/ftp/total.html.en :) nnohting to report for me for now till i make an upload this weekend :) i'll make you guys busy next week ZOMG Average Bytes Transmitted Daily2,411,884,642,509 still edubuntu? :) sivang, we are just breaking up... JaneW, expect an email. sksk ogra_ [[email protected]] has joined #ubuntu-meeting mhz [n=mhz_chil@moinmoin/fan/mhz] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Leaving"] Hirion [[email protected]] has joined #ubuntu-meeting sksk? thanks everyone cheers

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