2006-01-11
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Meeting January 11, 2006
01:02 JaneW wow we have no meeting notes since 7 dec...
01:02 JaneW must fix that
01:02 kjcole JaneW, Hi. (Asked jelkner to phone me before
showtime.)
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01:02 juliux hi mhz
01:02 JaneW kjcole: got it, was just being silly
01:02 kjcole Morning, mhz.
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01:02 JaneW hi mhz
01:03 mhz hi you all guys
01:03 sivang edubuntu meeting right?
01:03 jelkner mhz: buenos dias! (btw. still waiting for edubuntu-es
log ;-)
01:03 JaneW mhz: lol, we do know who you are by now ;)
01:03 kjcole JaneW, my cylinders aren't all firing this early. ;-)
01:03 mhz jelkner: it was happily sent days ago
01:03 mhz ;)
01:03 ogra_ibook hi all
01:03 mhz JaneW: hehehe
01:03 jelkner mhz: oops, i may have dropped it :-(
01:03 JaneW sivang: yes
01:03 JaneW is ogra in the house?
01:04 ogra_ibook JaneW, nope
01:04 ogra_ibook :P
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01:04 JaneW ogra_ibook: :P
01:04 kjcole JaneW, He was disguised as ogra_ibook.
01:04 JaneW ogra_ibook: why you making me type so much more with
the _ibook part? ;)
01:05 ogra_ibook this machine also highlights on "ogra" ;)
01:05 JaneW ok, what's news? I am a bit out of the loop and am
struggling to catch up this week...
01:05 ogra_ibook edubuntu-desktop should be installable again by today
:)
01:05 JaneW ogra: good them ogra you'll if you don't mind ...
01:05 ogra_ibook the ltsp sound stuff is in the archive and fully
implemented since yesterday
01:06 JaneW ogra: can you give a summary of what's happened since
the week before Christmas please?
i worked on the several ltsp tasks ... the ubuntu
01:07 ogra_ibook innstaller broke completely before christmas dur to the
second stage disappearing
01:07 ogra_ibook this should be solved now
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01:07 ogra_ibook as well as the several *-desktop packages were
uninstallable
01:08 ogra_ibook most of my work during the holidays and the week before
went into powerpc support
01:08 JaneW ogra: ok so how are we looking schedule wise?
01:08 ogra_ibook so we have working ppc now (pending upload)
01:08 ogra_ibook sound is in, parts of the low memory stuff are ready
01:08 JaneW ogra: also did you see the e-mail re Tollef *maybe*
looking at TC Local deivices?
01:09 ogra_ibook yes, that would be a nice task for the sprint
01:09 JaneW ogra: also I noticed a lot of your specs were pushed
back to drafting :/
01:09 ogra_ibook but we're past UVF at the sprint already
01:09 JaneW ogra: think Tollef could do it? and in time for Dapper?
01:09 ogra_ibook nope, sound is implemented
01:09 JaneW ogra: right
01:09 ogra_ibook JaneW, only the dbus parts
01:09 ogra_ibook the ltsp stuff is for my desk
01:10 ogra_ibook (local devices)
01:10 JaneW ogra: have you set the sound spec to implemented yet?
01:10 ogra_ibook not yet, i had to clearify something with pitti before
(which i did 30min ago)
01:10 ogra_ibook it will be set to implemented today
01:11 ogra_ibook the faster startup spec is approved and partially
implemented
01:11 ogra_ibook err
01:11 JaneW ogra: ok we'll clarify the statuses at the dapper
meeting tomorrow and set accordingly...
01:11 ogra_ibook that was memory usage, sorry
01:11 ogra_ibook the faster startup spec needs a minor change
01:12 flint kinda like watching a tennis match so far... Startup
time is not as vital as local storage or sound even.
01:12 ogra_ibook all three will be dione before UVF
01:12 ogra_ibook flint, local device support is and always was a low
priority spec
01:12 JaneW ogra: what's your gut feel atm? better that for breezy?
01:12 JaneW s/that/than
01:12 ogra_ibook faster startup always was my highest priority
01:13 ogra_ibook yup, sure
01:13 JaneW i.e. are we on track and ready to deliver to required
milstones?
01:13 flint why? in a classroom environment, the desktops are only
started once...
01:13 ogra_ibook even if we dont make the device support for dapper it
will be a lot better
01:13 JaneW we were the 'black' sheep last time
01:13 ogra_ibook mdz knows that
01:13 flint JaneW, this time we can be the grey sheep!!!
01:14 ogra_ibook flint, i dont set the priority of the specs
01:14 JaneW flint: I am getting there believe me...
01:14 flint and I never figured out who did. all I can do is
comment.
01:14 ogra_ibook flint, and the other specs did eat a lot of time,
especially the low memory stuff
01:14 mhz flint: but that would also spend more 'energy' and if
so, it's less environment friendly ;)
01:14 ogra_ibook flint, mdz sets the ppriority for me
01:15 flint the memory was actually important. I know, and I
suppose I can go and wine at him :^)
01:15 JaneW yes priorities are set by management, and at this
latish stage we can not be arguing them anymore
01:15 jelkner when will we know if local devices will make dapper?
01:15 JaneW we can however keep trying to achieve as much as
possible, allowing us to GET to the low prio items.
01:15 jelkner the reason i'm asking is that our loco team is working
with a school to setup a lab
01:16 ogra_ibook jelkner, its unlikely they will make it unless we get
an exeption from UVF for ltsp
01:16 JaneW jelkner: I sent 2 e-mails this morning, I will let you
know if/when I get a response from mdz
01:16 jelkner thanks!
01:16 ogra_ibook i rather want to make the stuff thats partially there
now to work 100% than having all of it at 70%
jelkner: someone has offered to *maybe* pick it up, but
01:16 JaneW he also has other priorities so once again it's mdz's
call
01:16 JaneW and as CTO it's his prerogative
01:17 ogra_ibook and he will unlikely do the ltsp side of it
01:17 JaneW ogra: how much work is that by your estimation?
01:17 JaneW ogra: and if Tollef can do the rest how feasible is it
that you would even get to the LTSP side?
01:18 ogra_ibook JaneW, i doubt its doable in UVF time
01:18 JaneW FWIW I agree that it's required and pretty important
from a functionality POV
01:18 JaneW damn
01:18 ogra_ibook if we can get an exception until feature freeze it will
be fine
01:19 mhz JaneW: what does FWIW stand for?
01:19 ogra_ibook we naever made any promises for this spec
01:19 jelkner JaneW: from the field, I have to repeat that without
local devices, we don't have edubuntu
01:19 jelkner for a lot of folks, anyway
01:19 jelkner we have a school in dc that wants edubuntu
01:19 jelkner but not without local devices
01:20 jelkner no way to save data
01:20 ogra_ibook jelkner, you repeated *several* times that we wont have
any stand in the field without low memory support
01:20 flint JaneW, I have asked this before, but what url has the
priority list printed?
01:20 jelkner ogra_ibook, that's true too
01:20 jelkner for many labs we have running classic ltsp now
01:20 ogra_ibook jelkner, my day only has 24h
01:20 jelkner i understand
01:20 jelkner so you need help
01:21 jelkner i don't mean to be a pain
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01:21 ogra_ibook and i told you in the beginning after UBZ that its not
on top of my prio list
01:21 jelkner i'm just telling you the straight truth from users
01:21 JaneW https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/dapper/+specstable
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01:21 JaneW FWIW = For What It's Worth
01:21 ogra_ibook yes, and i dont want to support a broken or partially
broken implementation for 5 years ...
01:21 jelkner so the real issue than, is whether edubuntu is a
priority at all
01:22 ogra_ibook everything we do during this release cycle needs to be
100% and rock solid
01:22 flint Here is what your direction has been set to:
01:22 flint 1. Low Memory
01:22 flint 2. Fast Startup
01:22 flint 3. Sound
01:22 flint 4. Local Devices
01:22 mhz JaneW: thx, kjcole had just told me
01:22 flint Here is what is needed
01:22 flint 1. Low Memory
01:22 flint 2. Local Devices
01:22 flint 3. Sound
01:22 flint 4. Fast Startup
01:22 ogra_ibook flint, but thats not the reality
01:22 jelkner i agree with flint
01:23 JaneW ogra: is fast startup linked to ubuntu faster startup?
01:23 jelkner and sound is done
01:23 JaneW in which case I understand the priority
01:23 ogra_ibook yes
01:23 JaneW if not, I don't really....
01:23 flint ogra_ibook, I am merely making the observation. I
believe that this is the facts of this prioritization
01:23 ogra_ibook 10-20% are done by Keybuks changes
01:23 jelkner fast startup was never a major concern of anyone i've
worked with
01:24 JaneW Ok, well decreasing the startup time is a major goal of
ubuntu for dapper, we can't mess with that
01:24 jelkner at all edubuntu sites running here, the machines run
all the time
01:24 ogra_ibook JaneW, getting down from 2minutes + startup time is a
very important thing
01:24 jelkner libraries, community centers, schools
01:24 flint hang on, there are no rank orders on the priority list
beyond "low" "medium" and "high"
01:24 JaneW ok, so you may be booting once a day maybe? not for
each lesson or session?
01:24 jelkner it doesn't matter how long it takes to boot (well, an
hour would be unacceptable ;-)
JaneW, the regressions in ltsp are totally different
01:25 ogra_ibook fromm ubuntu itself, thus its only 10-20% i can get
from keybuks changes
01:25 JaneW fint: and essential
01:25 jelkner none of the intances in dc boot more than once a day
01:25 jelkner most less than that
01:25 JaneW ogra: what's your personal opinion here? which is more
important?
01:25 flint ogra_ibook, there is no numeric rank order of
priorities, is there jane?
01:25 JaneW flint: no
01:26 ogra_ibook JaneW, all other stuff apart from local devices, since
it wont be 100% stable and ready
01:26 flint JaneW, i grant you essential...(and existential :^)
01:26 jelkner without low memory support, we could not upgrade from
k12ltsp to edubuntu in 2 existing labs
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01:26 jelkner without local devices, most folks don't want edubuntu
01:27 flint note that in a classroom you boot the silly
workstations never if they are working correctly.
01:27 JaneW Mithrandir: ping
JaneW, imho shipping all the other parts 100% reliable
01:27 ogra_ibook is more important than having local deviaces in and
producing a hell lot of bugreports we cant fix during
the next 5 years
01:27 kjcole flint, she meant "essential", "high", "medium", "low".
01:27 ogra_ibook jelkner, thats not true
Mithrandir: sorry to bother, but can you comment on
01:28 JaneW ThinclientLocal Devices please? we are in an Edubuntu
meeting...
jelkner, we have a ton of happy users that work fine
01:28 ogra_ibook with the breezy implementation which doesnt have any
addons at all
01:28 jelkner ogra_ibook, what's not true
01:28 JaneW ogra: will it be very buggy if implemented?
01:28 JaneW ogra: was that the reason for not prioritising? Forgive
me I don;t know the technical details here...
01:28 ogra_ibook JaneW, thats hard to predict, but it willl take a lot
of time to get it right
01:28 jelkner ogra_ibook, we would have *way* more if we had local
devices
01:28 Mithrandir JaneW: pong
01:29 jelkner you can't say it is not true just because we have x
number of happy users
01:29 ogra_ibook JaneW, thats a question only mdz can answer
I understand jelkner and flint points very well, and
agrre with them on the fact that local device support
01:29 mhz is very 'convincing' issue for modern end-users. But
can't the dc instances start using edubuntu and wait 6
months or less?
01:29 JaneW Mithrandir: hi, thanks.
Mithrandir: sorry to bother, but can you comment on
01:29 JaneW ThinclientLocal Devices please? we are in an Edubuntu
meeting...
01:29 Mithrandir JaneW: I think it's doable for dapper, but it requires
somebody to have time for it allocated.
01:29 ogra_ibook jelkner, and you cant say we dont get users because
local devices are missing ;)
01:29 jelkner what about the 3*x number of users we don't have
because we don't have local devices?
01:29 jelkner i know we are missing users because of this
01:29 flint kjcole, gotcha so the rank order contrast would look
like this, Here is what your direction has been set to:
01:29 flint essential. Low Memory
01:29 flint high. Fast Startup
01:29 flint medium. Sound
01:29 flint low. Local Devices
Mithrandir: sorry to put you on the spot, but I am
01:29 JaneW trying to establish if it is in any way possible to get
the spec implemented suuccesfully and entirely and
stability for dapper
01:29 flint Here is what is needed
01:29 flint essential. Low Memory
01:30 flint high. Local Devices
01:30 flint medium. Sound
01:30 flint low. Fast Startup
01:30 Mithrandir JaneW: I think it is.
01:30 jelkner i have potential users ready for me to setup labs, but
not without a way for there students to save data
01:30 jelkner i'm also catching a bit of hell from current users who
keep asking me "when can we save data?"
01:30 ogra_ibook Mithrandir, i'm fine with putting time into the ltsp
side if someone cares for dbus and the g-v-m side
01:30 JaneW Mithrandir: are you proposing doing the LTSP parts as
well?
01:30 jelkner i keep telling them "patients, its coming"
01:31 jelkner that's why i'm such a pain around this issue
01:31 JaneW jelkner: is it a hospital?
jelkner, at the university here we have sun thinclients
01:31 juliux and there is no local device support availiable,
because the admins have disabled it
01:31 Mithrandir JaneW: but it requires somebody who understands dbus &c
to do it, it's probably tricky to get correct.
01:31 jelkner juliux: yes, students have network storage
01:31 ogra_ibook jelkner, why do you do that ? i told you long time ago
its not reliably fixed yet
01:31 jelkner so local devices are not a problem
01:31 JaneW Mithrandir: right, and it's mdz's call whether we can
even try...
01:31 jelkner common in university settings
01:32 flint the folks who use this thing have a perception of the
priority order that contrasts the project management.
01:32 jelkner not common in elemantary schools, libraries, community
centers
01:32 juliux jelkner, but not everybody need it
01:32 JaneW flint: huh?
JaneW: yes. My out-of-the-air guess is a week to get
01:32 Mithrandir it working somewhat, double that or so to get it
working nicely.
01:32 jelkner juliux: i never said everyone needed it
01:32 jelkner i don't, for example
01:32 jelkner i did say most do
01:33 jelkner and the communities i feel we are trying to reach need
it most
01:33 flint JaneW, local storage is a higher priortiy for the users
than say sound.
01:33 ogra_ibook Mithrandir, do you agree asking for a UVF exception and
extend the time until feature freeze would be enough
01:33 JaneW Mithrandir: ok, we'll take it further with mdz. Thanks.
01:33 flint by users i mean line teachers in a classroom.
01:33 Mithrandir ogra_ibook: yes, it's not something which can be done
before UVF.
01:33 ogra_ibook Mithrandir, thats what i would go for ...
01:33 JaneW flint: no not really
01:33 ogra_ibook oki
JaneW: if I were to do it, I would prefer to do the
whole delivery, since coordinating with oneself is less
01:34 Mithrandir work than coordinating with somebody else. You might
need to fight with mdz/Kamion about taking time away
from working on live cd/installer stuff.
01:34 juliux flint, i think sound is more neede as local device
support
Stating the obvious perhaps, but here in the US, there
01:34 kjcole are enough computers that students (and others) will
need access to their materials away from the
lab. Especially if they are doing "home" homework.
01:34 JaneW Mithrandir: erk, isn't liveCD installer more NB?
01:34 ogra_ibook i thought it was taking time from network auth
01:34 flint juliux, actually the last thing you need in a classroom
is more sounds :^)
01:35 JaneW flint: head phones
01:35 Mithrandir JaneW: I'm hacking on some not-live installer bits to
get better keyboard support into the live cd
01:35 flint JaneW, or another think for the child to
loose/mis-adjust
01:35 juliux flint, but you also dont want that the students can
bring there one programms on a usb stick
01:35 Mithrandir JaneW: I'm not touching espresso, though I think I
shall look at it at some point.
01:35 juliux flint, i am a student and students love it to attact
the lan
Mithrandir / ogra: could you 2 have a word with mdz if
01:35 JaneW you see him later, and we can discuss again in the
Dapper meeting tomorrow morning?
01:35 jelkner juliux: why not?
01:36 Mithrandir JaneW: mdz is around now
01:36 ogra_ibook JaneW, yup
juliux, actually, if the kid shows up with the game he
01:36 flint just wrote in python, we get down on our knees and
praise god.
01:36 flint is mdz up?
01:36 ogra_ibook he's awake ?
01:36 JaneW isn't it a bit early still?
01:36 flint I will call him and get him on the channel is you all
want
01:36 ogra_ibook havent seen a trace
01:36 jelkner people must have a way to save data, simple as that
01:37 juliux webspace?
01:37 flint it is 4:49 local time Los Angeles
ok anyway we have discussed this long enough here,
01:37 JaneW we'll speak to mdz, and let you know what the verdict
is.
01:37 jelkner juliux: fine for privileded users, not fine for those
who don' t have it
01:37 JaneW what's next?
01:37 juliux jelkner, most have it
01:37 jelkner not true
01:37 jelkner perhaps in your setting
01:37 juliux jelkner, every student have one
01:38 ogra_ibook the edubuntu-artwork package is ready so far
01:38 jelkner not here
01:38 juliux jelkner, also in us
01:38 JaneW ogra: great, you still need artwork though right?
01:38 ogra_ibook it will hit the archive today or tomorrow with the age
selection built in
01:38 jelkner i am in us
01:38 JaneW ogra: and will you have several selections after
install? as discussed previously?
01:38 ogra_ibook but indeed i need some artwork to put in :)
01:38 JaneW ogra: great thanks
01:38 jelkner and most students do not have their own web space
01:39 ogra_ibook JaneW, sudo dpkg-reconfigure edubuntu-artwork will give
you 3 choices
01:39 juliux jelkner, but webspace from the university
01:39 mhz ogra: there are some backgrounds almost ready to be
tested/used
01:39 jelkner juliux: yes, university students do
01:39 mhz 1 for each age selection
01:39 ogra_ibook mhz, i have to wait for something official
01:39 jelkner not elementary students, community folks, etc
01:39 mhz (they're supposed to be ready by friday afternoon)
01:40 mhz ogra: ahhhhh
01:40 JaneW mhz: are you going to put them on the art site?
01:40 mhz JaneW: of course :)
01:40 ogra_ibook i'm happy to add community stuff now, but dont be
disappointed if it gets replaced by something
01:40 JaneW ogra: but I think we'll only get one official wall
paper, for the default install
01:40 mhz ogra: i know the drill ;)
01:40 JaneW ogra / mhz: we can and should have community
contributed stuff too
01:40 ogra_ibook JaneW, i still have no answer from silbs about that
01:41 ogra_ibook JaneW, i asked if we get one or three designs
01:41 JaneW mhz: yes we will need to explicitly run them by the
powers that be this time though, so avoid a lynching ;)
01:41 mhz JaneW / ogra : we are working on GTK theme drafts
01:41 JaneW s/so/to
01:41 JaneW mhz: YAY :)
01:41 flint ok, i just talked to mdz.
01:41 ogra_ibook mhz, we want to kepp the default theme from ubuntu ...
01:42 ogra_ibook mhz, at least for the gnome desktop
01:42 flint the deal here is that it is not a priority issue.
juliux, Universities have had computers for centuries,
and are generally well ahead of what the K-12 crowd has
01:42 kjcole in the way of computers, network access, tech support
people, etc. One look at the apps labeled "education"
in Edubuntu tells you who the current target audience
is, and it ain't university students...
01:42 mhz ogra: okis, I long ago understood there will be no
'coordination' with 'central work'
01:42 mhz :(
01:42 flint he feels that no one has figured out how to do local
devices to his satisfaction.
01:42 ogra_ibook (gtk that is)
01:43 ogra_ibook mhz, thats not true
01:43 flint btw do not call him again, he is "entertaining"...
01:43 ogra_ibook mhz, but changing the gtk theme was never in scope
01:43 mhz ogra: it is and you just told you have not 'heard' from
slbs
01:44 mhz ogra: ? IIRC, we said (looong ago) "we need 3 themes"
01:44 ogra_ibook mhz, nope, its not, we can ship a lot of community
stuff
01:44 ogra_ibook mhz, its just that the default will be a professionally
designed one
01:44 mhz ogra: yes, we can ship but we are not working
"coordinated" with slbs, are we?
01:44 ogra_ibook and i dont know yet if all three defaults will be or
only one
01:45 ogra_ibook but beyond that, we can put a ton of wallpapers into
the artwork package or additional stuff to select from
yes, thats cool, i am not complaining :) I am just
01:45 mhz saying that I have no clue what slbs and the designers
are working on
01:45 JaneW ogra: do you think so? I woiuld think it should look a
bit distinct...
01:45 mhz no roadmap or anything
01:45 ogra_ibook mhz, silbs works with an art agency
01:45 ogra_ibook mhz, there is the dapper release schedule ...
01:46 ogra_ibook it should have artwork deadlines
01:46 mhz ogra: heheh, yes, I know about the shcedule
01:46 mhz but i'll put it this way: Here, in this meeting we are
talking as Edubuntu community to work on stuff or help
dont care what silbs and the designers are working on,
01:46 ogra_ibook just go on with your stuff ... as i said, i think we'll
have enough space on the Cd this time to add artwork
01:46 mhz I have never heard of slbs plans on design
01:47 JaneW flint: you saying it's not worth us talking to mdz
about the issue?
01:47 flint JaneW, No. Read carefully.
01:47 mhz ogra: exactly, I appreciate you can have some room for
artwork, hence we are working on 3 gtk drafts
01:48 JaneW flint he feels that no one has figured out how to do
local devices to his satisfaction.
ogra: but i am just saying "I know we (commnity) dont
01:48 mhz work in coordination with 'official hired artwork
plans'
01:48 flint JaneW, yes, exactly! Zimmerman says that the current
spec is incomplete
01:48 ogra_ibook mhz, the -artwork package isnt prepared to handle gtk
themes and was never intended to do so
01:48 mhz ogra: ooops, i didnt know that
01:48 flint if the specification for local devices was complete we
could move forward.
01:48 jelkner i gotta run guys, same time next week?
01:49 ogra_ibook mhz, thats why i said the above :)
01:49 flint indeed elkner, do not give up on what you need to
teach.
01:49 mhz and then, JaneW and ogra, what should i understand by
"we need 3 age-splittted-artwork" ?
01:49 ogra_ibook flint, Mithrandir knows how to implement it ... we'd
have to sort it in a meeting with mdz
01:50 ogra_ibook mhz, the artwork package will offer to select one of
three age categories
01:50 ogra_ibook (post install)
01:51 mhz ogra: okis, and what will that include? only
wallpapers?
01:51 ogra_ibook involving icons, splash and wallpaper
01:51 mhz ahh
01:51 flint ogra_ibook, can Mithrandir write a specification to
satisfy mdz?
01:51 mhz hmmm, Icons will take much longer
01:51 ogra_ibook gah, i have a horrible lag here ...
01:51 mhz unless we use Tango, Gartoon and other
01:51 ogra_ibook flint, i can write it after having a meeting
01:52 ogra_ibook mhz, yes, thats the plan
01:52 flint ogra_ibook, do you have the time to do this? I can
help with specs...think of me as your secretary!
we are ging to have to try to have one of these
01:52 JaneW meetings where we don't spend an hour + arguing, but
rather try to collaborate... that would be a novel
change .
flint, we had a wonderful clear spec after the first
01:53 ogra_ibook BOF meeting ... that was going a bit confusing during
the next ones
01:53 flint ogra_ibook, that is correct, imagine me in a short
dress on your lap....hmmm.
01:53 ogra_ibook eeek
01:53 JaneW we haven't even discussed the cook book yet.
01:53 JaneW and I fear the bickering puts people off...
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01:53 JaneW flint: arrgh!
01:53 ogra_ibook flint, will you carry pompoms ?
01:53 flint kevin is here and much progress has been made in this
area...
01:54 flint ogra_ibook, pompoms only if you are good, and bring
cigars.
01:54 kjcole My cue, I guess...
01:54 ogra_ibook sure i will :)
01:54 mhz JaneW: true but if not here, when?
01:54 mhz :)
01:54 mhz JaneW: the good thing is we are reaching agreements ;)
01:54 mhz or so it seems
01:55 JaneW mhz: granted, but this happens each week. We really
need a good face to face pounch up to get it all out ;)
01:55 mhz heheh, indeed
Cookbook: Now more than halfway through the first
01:55 kjcole pass. Also, with the help of ogra, jblack, lifeless
and flint, I've been getting a much better handle on
how to use bzr.
01:55 mhz cool!, Kamion
01:55 mhz cool!, kjcole
01:55 mhz (this autocompleting!)
01:55 JaneW kjcole: excellent :))
01:55 mhz (it should present matches before)
01:56 JaneW kjcole: how much editting is it needing?
01:56 flint and do not forget the help from mhz!!!
01:56 ogra_ibook mhz, it does if you dont hit enter to quickly :)
I see launchapd is now tracking our revisions too (as
01:56 kjcole of yesterday, it appears). I put the branch in there
while we were sitting in Montreal.
01:56 mhz flint: I have not been of any help yet
01:57 flint mhz, mhz has been of excellent help setting up a bzr
repository for the use of the cookbook project.
01:57 mhz flint: I will. jelkner and kjcole will let me in once
they finish 1st part
01:57 JaneW mhz: just saw your pic, you look quite a lot like Jeff
Waugh ;)
01:57 flint mhz, you already have access to the depository, say the
word and I put you back in the sudoers file...
01:58 mhz JaneW: is that a good or bad thing :) ?
JaneW, I wish we'd gotten to this before jelkner had to
01:58 kjcole split. We have very similar styles regarding wording,
but different priorities. Since jelkner has actually
published and I have not, I bow to his priorities.
01:58 flint JaneW, do not scare the poor man off!
01:58 mhz ogra_ibook: ohh, it does it, thx
01:58 mhz (tab Tab)
01:59 JaneW kjcole: yes sorry I wasn;t watching the clock closely,
we'll def do cook book first next week
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01:59 JaneW kjcole: does it cause conflict between you at all?
01:59 mhz kjcole: wise it is, unless until cookbook is out and
then you would also stop being a 'padawan' :D
01:59 flint JaneW, this priority stuff had to take priority :^)
JaneW, His approach is "Keep as much of the tuxLab
Cookbook as possible. Whittle it down. When finished
01:59 kjcole whittling, add in material specific to
Dapper. Release. Add in more "How to teach usung
Edubuntu." Release again."
02:00 mhz lguerra: bienvenido!!!
02:00 lguerra Hi mhz
02:00 flint my evil contribution was to look over the cookbook
outline...and revise it for use on planet earth.
02:00 mhz JaneW: lguerra is being the only 'other' active person
in #edubuntu-es, very willing to help and test
02:01 JaneW kjcole: seems to make sense...
JaneW, Not much conflict, no. I just worry that people
02:01 kjcole might be expecting marvelous changes from what we both
already consider to be a very fine piece of work we've
started from.
02:01 flint lguerra, any friend of Mauritzo is a friend of us.
02:01 lguerra tks Flint
kjcole: no I don;t think major changes are expected, we
02:02 JaneW just have to makes sure it is relevent and there are no
weird tuxlab references that make no sense in the
edubuntu context
JaneW, that is the most dissapointing part, there is
02:02 flint little conflict. I feel about conflict and arguement
like a vampire feels about blood....
02:02 JaneW flint: I know but you are into S&M
02:02 mhz lguerra: we are now listening about kjcole and jelkner
advances on CookBook for Edubuntu
02:02 JaneW flint: and swinging, and beastility and who know what
else...
02:02 mhz flint: thx
seriously, the real challange is that the tuxlab book
02:03 flint was written very closely to the Shuttleworth foundation
requirements in SA. This must be much more general.
02:03 JaneW flint: agreed
ogra_ibook, I had sent you the LTSP startup stuff from
02:03 kjcole the tuxLab Cookbook for you to revise. Had a free
second to work miracles there as well as everywhere
else you've been working miracles?
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02:04 mhz jsgotangco: wb
02:04 JaneW hi jsgotangco
02:04 flint JaneW, one thing you could really help with...the
graphics in the tuxlab book are...what is the word?
02:04 JaneW flint: cool
02:04 JaneW ?
02:05 ogra_ibook heh
02:05 JaneW flint: what do you need?
02:05 flint JaneW, is Johnathan Carter on the line?
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02:05 JaneW flint: not sure...
02:05 JaneW highvoltage: ping
02:05 JaneW flint: you can be candid
02:05 flint JaneW, I just do not want to hurt highvoltages
feelings, he is a crack kinda guy...
02:05 JaneW Jonathan didn;t draw them anyway, there was an
illustrator
02:06 jsgotangco crack?
02:06 flint there is a pix of RMS in the original that must be seen
to be believed!!!
02:06 JaneW who got paid
02:06 flint JaneW, ok get the money back.
02:06 flint JaneW, now.
02:06 JaneW I think it was meant to be amusing and a bit tongue in
cheek
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JaneW, jelkner likes them. I find them to be
02:07 kjcole "consistent" which is a big plus, and "gentle" which is
also okay. Am I thrilled by them? Not exactly, but no
real complaints. (I'm easy.)
02:07 flint JaneW, darlin' I mean "damn"
02:07 JaneW kjcole: ITA with your interpretation
02:07 ogra_ibook i'm not sure we have the allowance to ship the graphics
02:07 mhz lol
02:07 mhz I can place a picture of myself
02:08 JaneW ogra: I think we can... but I'll need to dbl check
02:08 jsgotangco what's the status of the manual?
02:08 flint ogra_ibook, me I want that eurotrash look, kinda
bauhaus...
02:08 mhz I have gained more wight last 2 months
02:08 ogra_ibook flint, cool !
02:08 mhz and from a 10 mt distance, I can play RMS very well
02:08 ogra_ibook flint, make some drawings ;)
02:08 flint ogra_ibook, exactly!
02:08 mhz ogra: and you can have my permission to include it
02:09 flint mhz, you probably do not like tea and bathe
regularly. we will consider you... maybe!
02:09 mhz heheh
02:09 kjcole ogra_ibook: LTSP (moo cow?) bootup walkthrough?
02:09 ogra_ibook nah
02:09 ogra_ibook not needed for us
02:10 flint JaneW, seriously, there is a crying need for an
artistic theme here.
02:10 ogra_ibook as well as only lts.conf settings we support should
show up in the cookbook
02:10 flint JaneW, were you involved in the original tuxlab book?
02:10 JaneW flint: again I don' think it's a priority, but if
someone does it, great we'lll be very happy.
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02:10 JaneW flint: no not at all, I first heard of it at the London
Summit
02:11 flint JaneW, think of the book as print advertising for the
project.
ogra_ibook: Dunno who we need authority from on
02:11 kjcole graphics but the I've been in touch with the original
author and the illustrator and both gave us their
blessings.
02:11 JaneW flint: which is where I first got to know Jonathan and
Hilton too
02:11 mhz flint: we could also help with those graphics as soon
as we get time to read and work on it
02:11 ogra_ibook kjcole, ok, thats enough
02:11 JaneW ok oiur time is up, anything else/
02:11 JaneW ?
02:12 ogra_ibook i was remembering the original was under a strange
license
02:12 jsgotangco :)
i suppose my thought here is that the default themes of
02:12 flint edubuntu should closely match the illustration style of
the book.
02:12 JaneW ogra: that was the draft it wasn;t released yet
02:12 ogra_ibook flint, so you want RMs wallpapers o_O
02:12 jsgotangco err what's the status of the manual? (nobody answered)
02:12 ogra_ibook s/RMs/RMS
02:12 mhz ogra: LOL!
02:12 flint ogra_ibook, ouch!
ogra_ibook: The walkthrough doesn't tell people what to
02:13 kjcole do, it just explains (in horrid detail) what happens
during the boot. Since that's all changed (according
to jelkner) he wanted you to revise that.
02:13 mhz jsgotangco: i have no clue yet
02:13 flint jsgotangco, the draft is out on bzr.
02:13 jsgotangco url?
02:13 mhz hmm, i am also a little lazy, url ?
02:14 flint http://docbook.flint.com. kevin is this correct?
02:14 JaneW Creative Commons Attribution-NonCommercial License
02:14 mhz lguerra: that is it :)
02:14 ogra_ibook kjcole, you wont see anything in the bootprocess except
the progressbar of usplash once i'm done
02:14 jsgotangco oh its in docbook?
02:14 flint oops https://docbox.flint.com kevin help a fella here!
02:14 kjcole Lauchpad still points to my copy. I'll point it at
docbox later this morning.
02:14 ogra_ibook kjcole, indeed you can describe whats going on behind
the scenes
02:15 flint i will endeavor to get the silly url correct
02:15 kjcole ogra_ibook: That's what the original did: The behind
the scenes stuff.
02:15 ogra_ibook yup
02:16 flint my book will be called "the making of the edubuntu
cookbook" it will be a horror novel.
02:16 kjcole flint, FITS
02:16 ogra_ibook hehe
02:16 ogra_ibook i'll buy one
02:16 jsgotangco NOTICE TO USERS
This computer system is the private property of its
owner, whether individual, corporate or government. It
02:16 jsgotangco is for authorized use only. Users (authorized or
unauthorized) have no explicit or implicit expectation
of privacy.
02:16 jsgotangco nice
02:16 jsgotangco with a round shiny edubuntu logo
02:17 kjcole jsgotangco, hold. flint was a wee bit premature with
that announcement.
02:17 flint actually elkner and kevin seem to have this matter well
in hand...
02:17 flint kjcole, sorry kevin, you are correct. it is not soup
yet.
02:17 jsgotangco Flint Information Technology Services (FITS)
02:17 jsgotangco Montpelier, VT 05602-8361
02:18 JaneW flint: sorry but that is SUCH A United States type
warning!
jsgotangco: CURRENTLY the bzr repository is at
http://pchb1f.gallaudet.edu/~kjcole/Edubuntu/Cookbook
02:18 kjcole but I never wanted to keep it there as it is a
Gallaudet University machine which I have no rights to
make a public repository.
02:18 flint jsgotangco, i suppose i need to go look at this
thing...every morning something new...
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jelkner keeps asking if we can have the master
02:19 kjcole repository on launchpad. As I understand things
launchpad would only be a mirror.
02:19 mhz flint: and that url is ready to be used as bzr branch?
02:19 jsgotangco why not use supermirror?
02:20 flint hey at least it is working? who knows how to use the
supermirror?
02:20 mhz .oO(first time I saw 'branch' I thought you meant
brakfast + lunch , or a late morning breakfast)
02:20 flint JaneW, I did not put the silly thing up! this is what
happens when you play with other kids...
02:20 kjcole jsgotangco: is supermirror different from launchpad?
02:20 highvoltage JaneW: pong
02:21 JaneW highvoltage: hello
02:21 highvoltage flint: yes, i am now
02:21 jsgotangco kjcole, supermirror is basically part of LP
02:21 ogra_ibook jsgotangco, supermirror isnt ready yet afaik
02:21 jsgotangco (or something like that)
02:21 JaneW highvoltage: flint was discussing the cookbook images
JaneW: My fault. I put that there, since I'm not
02:21 kjcole certain how docbox will ultimately be used (other than
as the Cookbook repository) and it's flint's box.
02:21 highvoltage meeting still on?
02:21 jsgotangco ahhh
02:21 jsgotangco hmm
02:21 flint highvoltage, johnathan, I was disparaging the tuxbook
portrait of RMS...
02:21 highvoltage :)
02:22 highvoltage just an update on the cookbook from TSF side, if I may.
02:22 highvoltage (and it's jonathan, btw)
02:22 JaneW linus's one isn;t too bad
JaneW: And I know flint to have something of a
02:22 kjcole background in computer security. Last but not least
"Flint Information Technology Services (FITS)" is a bit
of an inside joke.
02:22 highvoltage the cookbook is practically being re-written.
02:22 flint highvoltage, sorry, I always do that, and it is
completely wrong.
02:22 JaneW kjcole: yes I noticed that too!
02:22 flint highvoltage, johnathan....gotta work on that.
02:23 JaneW highvoltage: huh? What? Why?
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we're updating a huge amount of the content, which
02:23 highvoltage we'll give over to copywriters who will merge it with
the first version of the book.
02:23 highvoltage everything will be available in docbook.
02:23 highvoltage flint: no problem :)
02:23 kjcole highvoltage: ????
02:23 JaneW flint: J O N A T H A N !
02:23 flint kjcole, excellent work ont the repository...
02:23 highvoltage flint: you're the only person in the world i'll excuse
for that
02:23 flint JaneW, ok I feel guilty...
02:23 highvoltage now that I'm here (and sorry for just jumping in like
this)
02:23 flint highvoltage, thanks for your kind indulgence...
02:24 highvoltage i sent the request for the drupel site on
http://proto.edubuntu.org
02:24 highvoltage when people get back into work mode we can get our
drupal site nicely set up.
02:24 JaneW highvoltage: yipee
02:24 mhz kjcole: sorry, CookBook is not the one we needed?
highvoltage, we have the edubuntu cookbook in a bzr
02:24 flint repository, since you are its mother I will get you an
account on the site if you want it.
02:24 highvoltage JaneW: i was wondering, perhaps we should do the new
website launch with the next release again?
02:24 highvoltage (for maximum effect)
02:25 highvoltage flint: thank you, that will be good
02:25 jsgotangco +1
02:25 JaneW highvoltage: yes good idea, that worked well, and we
got good traffic
02:25 flint highvoltage, i have been playing with drupal for a lamp
thing it is not bad.
02:25 JaneW highvoltage: can you co-ord the necessary again?
02:25 highvoltage JaneW: yes
02:26 highvoltage we also have an increase in the amount of people
interested in helping with content on the website.
God I hate IRC sometimes. highvoltage: I thought
02:26 kjcole jelkner and I were working on the cookbook as we've
been meeting every sunday...
02:26 jsgotangco content - wiki pages?
02:26 JaneW excellent
i have received plenty e-mails and I advise people to
02:27 highvoltage join the web team on launchpad, so when the drupal site
is up, they will all be commisioned to start writing
specific parts and work on some sub-projects.
02:27 JaneW kjcole: I think highvoltage means THEIR version for
tuxlabs - right?
02:27 ogra kjcole, he's talking about tuxlabs
02:27 highvoltage jsgotangco: not quite, but similar.
02:27 JaneW highvoltage: your re-write is for your own purposes
right?
02:27 highvoltage sorry, yes.
02:27 kjcole Ahhhh, thanks for the clarification all
02:27 jsgotangco :/
02:27 highvoltage let me clarify, version 2 of the howto is for tuxlabs.
02:27 highvoltage and that's what we are working on at the foundation.
02:27 flint kjcole, this drupal input is a good thing...
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02:27 JaneW highvoltage: will your rewrite affect us at all? I.e.
changes we should know about and could benefit from?
02:28 highvoltage however, we will use Edubuntu for installation in the
new version, instead of Ubuntu+LTSP.org or K12LTSP.
02:28 highvoltage JaneW: yes.
02:28 flint highvoltage, i would like to have you look over the
overall cookbook outline...
02:28 ogra highvoltage, then it would be desirable to work
together on the new version i think
02:28 highvoltage it's not very friendly documentation, since we're
relying on copywriters to do all the poetry,
02:28 JaneW highvoltage: well perhaps you should look at what 'we'
(royal we) have done to adapt it ti edubuntu
02:28 flint highvoltage, oh so you don't want local storage either
:^)
02:28 highvoltage and it's broken up in modules that doesn't /quite/ make
sense at the moment
02:29 ogra flint, :P
02:29 highvoltage but i'll pass it on, there will be some value in it.
02:29 flint ogra, ok, i will try to be good...
(Anyway, as I was saying earlier, I put the repository
out on my office desktop machine which Gallaudet would
02:29 kjcole probably not be thrilled with, if they knew. So, flint
has set up docbox.flint.com, which is where launchpad
will point shortly.)
personally, I feel that this should have been a
02:29 highvoltage collaborative effort from the start, however, there are
some people here who don't agree.
02:30 jsgotangco :/
02:30 ogra flint, else i'll steal your miniskirt and send you out
to the public with only the pompoms
02:30 mhz highvoltage: so the idea is we will be using Drupal for
the purposes of.... ?
Next week though, I will talk to them again, snip some
02:30 highvoltage of this meeting to show that there *is* outside
support.
02:30 flint highvoltage, the deal here is that you gotta do for
Shuttleworth.
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02:30 flint ogra, I have some big pompoms, also made of brass...
02:30 highvoltage flint: ok
02:31 ogra lol
02:31 mhz highvoltage: here?
02:31 highvoltage mhz: sorry, terribly distracted
02:31 jsgotangco bah
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02:31 flint highvoltage, the neat thing about drupal / bzr is we
can have our cakes and eat them too.
02:32 mhz highvoltage: ohh, here = tuxlab ?
mhz: that swiss guy (sorry, can't remember his name)
02:32 highvoltage pointed out some very good reasons to use drupal, so we
agreed to try it out for the website
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02:32 highvoltage mhz: here = at the foundation
02:32 ogra there is even a wikipage with the desired structure
iirc
02:32 mhz highvoltage: okis, and Moin will be dropped then?
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highvoltage, the tuxlabs book specified how to interact
02:32 flint with the foundation as part of the install
process. you had standard hardware for
servers. things were much clearer than in the world.
02:32 ogra mhz, moin is the wiki and will stay
02:33 highvoltage mhz: mostly, although we'll keep the wiki, and we'll
keep the moin "web" pages as a backup to drupal
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02:33 highvoltage mhz: just in case ogra's prophecy of an Edubuntu porn
site comes true
02:33 mhz drupal will be for ....?
02:33 highvoltage mhz: the Edubuntu website
02:33 flint ogra, moin is not a bad thing either...
02:33 ogra mhz, we use moin for edu/ku/ubuntu as wiki and wont
drop it
02:33 mhz isnt wiki = web site?
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02:34 ogra mhz, for the website we currently have static pages
02:34 highvoltage mhz: not necassarily :)
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02:34 JaneW highvoltage: Phillip
02:34 ogra mhz, we want a content management system so people can
also edit the website
02:34 mhz ogra: ahhhhh! www.edubuntu.org
02:34 flint mhz, Mauritzo, what we have here is a potlatch. or a
battle of pleantful resources...
02:34 ogra mhz, so wiki == moin, website == drupal
mhz: so the website will be used for fancy things, like
02:34 highvoltage photo galleries, static pages, feedback forms, etc.
While the wiki will be used exactly as it is used now
(basically)
02:35 highvoltage JaneW: yes, thanks.
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02:35 mhz highvoltage: / ogra: now I get it right!!!
02:35 mhz thx for the extra patience
02:35 highvoltage mhz: no problem
02:35 JaneW ack 3 days into the new year and all my typos are
back...
02:35 flint and these subsidiary or development pages can be used
at will
02:35 mhz www.edubuntu.org and wiki.edubuntu.org
02:36 mhz JaneW: this is also work. we are working
02:36 mhz :)\
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02:36 JaneW mhz: I know ;)
02:36 highvoltage mhz: technically, i'm on work time now, so i'm avoiding
work
02:36 mhz highvoltage: lol! you always with your sense of humour,
good!
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02:37 flint highvoltage, wait a minute, I am always in favor of
acquiring resources in an unauthorized manner...
=== kjcole finishes dressing and runs out the door... Bound for paying
work once more...
02:37 flint thanks kevin!!!
02:37 JaneW highvoltage: but Vickis not there anymore so no
problemo ;)
02:37 highvoltage flint: perhaps that's why I like your style so much
highvoltage: i do not understand why we have
02:37 mhz http://wiki.edubuntu BUT https://wiki.ubuntu (notice
the https)
02:37 JaneW kjcole: you been naked all this time?
02:37 highvoltage JaneW: yes, we are taking over. and Zelda is grrreat
02:38 flint highvoltage, thanks ma man... anyway boys and girls,
lets blow this pop stand till next week.
02:38 mhz highvoltage: could we have them equal
02:38 highvoltage mhz: what do you mean?
02:38 mhz both http or https
02:39 highvoltage mhz: i can access http://wiki.edubuntu.com fine.
02:39 mhz me too
02:39 flint mhz, Mauritzo http or https, it matters little...the
apache locks them together as a default.
02:39 ogra https://wiki.edubuntu.org/ works fine as well
02:39 mhz really??????
02:39 highvoltage works for me.
02:39 ogra https should automatically be used if youre logged in
02:39 mhz http://wiki.ubuntu ?
02:40 highvoltage that looks like an incomlete domain name :)
02:40 flint germans of course obsess about cryptography, they think
it is cool :^)
02:40 mhz ogra: my url shows http://wiki. even after logging in
02:40 flint ogra, ...must be some german in me...
02:40 ogra flint, i'm no tyical german then :)
02:40 mhz highvoltage: i was lazzy to type thw whole thing :)
02:41 flint ogra, if germans like coffee then "Ich bein un
berliner"
02:41 ogra flint, i'm just struggling with an answer to a request
for hardened edubuntu
02:41 ogra hehe
02:41 flint ogra, that is the silliest thing i have heard all
morning...
02:41 highvoltage flint: what do you mean with a crack kind of guy? i'm
not familiar with the expression
02:41 ogra lol, yes
02:42 flint highvoltage, are you back on the pipe again?
flint: and you can always be honest with me, if you
02:42 highvoltage think that something i did is crap, feel free to
express it any way you like :)
02:42 ogra highvoltage, try s/crack/crazy
02:42 highvoltage ogra: thanks for clearing that up :)
=== JaneW starts fading this time of day... it's over 33 degs celcius in
here
02:43 ogra oh, i wish the snow outside would finally melt :)
02:43 mhz JaneW: it will be 34 C here in Chile too
02:43 JaneW not sure how much higher, cos my thermometer is off the
scale...
02:43 flint highvoltage, johnathan, the writting is great, the RMS
and Torvalds pix...well...
02:43 highvoltage JaneW: it's nice and air-conditioned here at the office
:)
02:43 highvoltage flint: jonathan
02:43 flint highvoltage, you bad man...
02:43 JaneW it's a swiss thermometer and it reckons inside temps
range from 8-30 only
02:43 highvoltage JaneW: not -8? :)
02:44 JaneW highvoltage: that's reason enough to drive 70km
actually!
02:44 flint fyi i believe it is warm here in vermont. about 10 F.
anyway, i'm busy sorting my internet connection out
02:44 highvoltage again, when that's back up i can be involved 100%
again.
02:44 JaneW highvoltage: nah it's for indoor temps, mean to be
climate controlled
my time problems have basically been sorted out, so I
02:44 highvoltage won't be as scarce as I was since... well since the
beginning :)
JaneW: but my wife has bought a small pool and an
02:45 mhz 'amaca' (piece of handcraft made of cloth that you tie
up with each top to a tree trank and you can then use
it to swing and lay)
02:45 highvoltage and I also just want to say happy new year to everyone
here, while we are still here.
02:45 mhz JaneW: so those 34 C will be more bearable
02:45 flint highvoltage, what did you think of the idea of having
the books art match the product?
02:45 ogra oh, yes, happy new year ... forgot that as well
02:45 highvoltage flint: i'm all for it
02:46 flint mhz, she bought it but you probably had to set it up.
02:46 mhz flint: hehehehehe, nha, I was at the computer
(AGAIN!!!)
02:46 mhz :D
highvoltage, that was basically my point. Keep in mind
02:47 flint how blown away we all were to see that there was any
documentation when we got together in London.
02:47 mhz flint: she asked "would you help me" I said 'yes' but
she never asked "please help me now"
02:47 highvoltage ogra: how do you feel about the overall status of
Edubuntu at present?
02:47 flint mhz, soon you will obey without question...right jane?
02:47 mhz :)
02:47 mhz already do that
02:48 ogra highvoltage, very good
02:48 JaneW mhz: d'oh I have a pool right here, I am going to leap
in quickly. bbiab
02:48 mhz i just take advantage of non well asked questions
02:48 highvoltage ogra: i'm very glad to hear that
02:48 ogra highvoltage, (jelkner and flint wil disagree, since we
dont have local device support out of the box)
02:48 highvoltage ogra: tough
02:48 highvoltage (meant toung in cheek there)
02:49 flint highvoltage, change is not the provence of reasonable
men...
02:49 highvoltage ogra: security issue? is it likely that it will have it
in the release following dapper?
indeed all the manual setups from ltsp-org work just
02:49 ogra fine for local devices, its just not there out of the
box
02:49 flint highvoltage, and ollie, that this pig flies at all,
that this dog can dance, it is a good thing.
02:50 JaneW ok, I am jumping ship. Bye!
02:50 flint JaneW, enjoy the pool.
dapper+1 will have it in any case , we try to make up
02:50 ogra some dev time for it to happen for dapper, but no
promises
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02:50 highvoltage JaneW: cheers!
02:51 highvoltage ogra: not that I'm properly qualified to say this, but
great job!
okey YOU ALL guys, gotta get back to kitchen :) ogra,
02:51 mhz we will continue working on the themes draft (1st
times for use playing with GTK) and 3 wallpapers for
Eduuntu. Will LDM need backgrounds?
02:51 highvoltage ogra: edubuntu would have been a disaster if it weren't
for you
02:51 flint gang I feel I contributed constructively by calling mdz
at 4:30 AM and yelling at him...
02:51 highvoltage yes, and /me need to get back to work, ciao
02:51 ogra mhz, have a look, i dropped the fullscreen backgrounds
from ldm ...
02:52 flint highvoltage, good to hear from you, do not be a
stranger Johnathan!
=== mhz hasnt seen dapper yet. I will soon
02:52 ogra mhz, it uses only the cropped logo and a background
color now
02:52 mhz better
02:52 highvoltage flihnt: ok!
02:52 ogra the fullscreen pic at 1600x1200 was simply to big and
made the loading slow
02:52 flint ogra, ollie i should have my evaluation space set up by
next week.
02:52 ogra cool
02:52 ogra looks like we'll have flight3 very soon
02:53 Treenaks ogra: cool!
02:53 mhz ogra: shall I just get the edubuntu-desktop source and
edubuntu-artwork?
02:53 ogra for ldm ?
02:53 ogra nope
02:53 flint ok I am out of here!
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02:53 ogra you need the ldm source which is in the ltsp source
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02:53 mhz ogra: oh, ok
02:53 ogra lets move over to #edubuntu
02:54 mhz okis
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