## page was copied from ZATeam/Meetings/20110321 ## page was copied from ZATeam/Meetings/20110221 <> == Agenda == Moved [[http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/91/detail/ | meeting agenda]]to loco website please add your items there. == Summary == {{{ minutes from Meeting about ubuntu-za May 2011 monthly IRC meeting Convened at 2011-05-16 17:36:58.926005 by maiatoday in #ubuntu-za on freenode Minutes ======= [17:36:58] STARTED (maiatoday) [17:39:00] TOPIC: Review minutes of previous meeting (maiatoday) [17:43:27] AGREED: maiatoday will mail pretoria release party people and see if they have photos (maiatoday) [17:58:07] AGREED: drubin will contact the ML and discuss the follow up contact (maiatoday) [17:59:09] TOPIC: Discuss how to get the CDs to everybody (maiatoday) [18:04:41] AGREED: queery will make a list of LUGS so we can find out who to send the CDs to (maiatoday) [18:06:19] AGREED: maiatody will get CDs to stellenbosch (maiatoday) [18:08:28] TOPIC: Reminder of the things we try to do, e.g. irc meetings, monthly reports, any other (maiatoday) [18:13:28] AGREED: maiatoday will send reminder to the mailing list about tasks and volunteers (maiatoday) [18:15:52] TOPIC: LPI 101 Training Interest (maiatoday) [18:26:22] ENDED (maiatoday) Present ======= * also JP Meijers (jpm) * Jedri Visser (ender) * Hilton Gibson (oogway) * zs6jce * ender__ * Johan Mynhardt (nuvolari) * Andre Hugo (cortexuvula) * Gareth Cawood (Banlam) * Wesley Werner (kbmonkey) * Raoul Snyman (superfly) * Marco Gallotta (marcog) * Maia Grotepass (maiatoday) * David Rubin (drubin) * Dewald Noeth (queery) * ghostknife * Gustav H Meyer (inetpro) * Nicholas Thompson (koiosify) * Hendrik van Wyk (Tonberry) * Miles Sharpe (Kilos) * highvoltage * JP Meijers (Kerbero) * Morgan van Dyk (Morganvd) Raw Log ======= [17:36:58] Maaz: start meeting about ubuntu-za May 2011 monthly IRC meeting [17:36:58] * Maaz gets out his memo-pad and cracks his knuckles [17:37:05] Maaz: I am Raoul Snyman [17:37:05] superfly: Sure [17:37:11] Maaz: I am Johan Mynhardt [17:37:11] nuvolari: Okay [17:37:14] Maaz: I am Maia Grotepass [17:37:14] maiatoday: Yessir [17:37:14] * drubin I am David Rubin [17:37:19] Maaz, i am Dewald Noeth [17:37:19] queery: Righto [17:37:21] Maaz: I am Gareth Cawood [17:37:21] Banlam: Done [17:37:26] Maaz: I am Andre Hugo [17:37:26] cortexuvula: Yessir [17:37:26] Maaz: I am Wesley Werner [17:37:26] kbmonkey: Okay [17:37:39] Maaz: I am JP Meijers [17:37:39] Kerbero: Alrighty [17:37:43] Maaz, I am Miles Sharpe [17:37:43] Kilos: Alrighty [17:37:50] Maaz: I am also JP Meijers [17:37:50] jpm: Righto [17:37:55] lol [17:37:58] hehe [17:38:02] drubin: You need to speak to Maaz ;-) [17:38:04] ai [17:38:11] Maaz: I am David Rubin [17:38:11] drubin: Yessir [17:38:12] Maaz: I am Morgan van Dyk [17:38:12] Morganvd: Righto [17:38:22] superfly: it has been a long time since I have used the bot :( a man forgets these things [17:38:27] hehe [17:38:29] attendance is good tonight! [17:38:34] indeed [17:38:42] quite [17:38:43] Maaz: I am Hendrik van Wyk [17:38:43] Tonberry: Alrighty [17:38:52] daar is nog twee mense oppad [17:38:54] [17:38:54] Coffee's ready for queery and Morganvd! [17:39:00] Maaz: topic Review minutes of previous meeting [17:39:00] Current Topic: Review minutes of previous meeting [17:39:03] hulle stel nog freenode op [17:39:05] there is? who they be? [17:39:09] Maaz, ty [17:39:09] You're Welcome I'm sure [17:39:10] kaah [17:39:14] er [17:39:14] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ZATeam/Meetings/20110221 [17:39:16] lol [17:39:46] Kerbero: English in the meeting ;-p [17:39:53] hoekom? [17:40:13] Kerbero: for the sake of everyone knowing it [17:40:15] does anyone have any comments on the minutes of the previous meeting besides that we missed some months? [17:40:30] for the sake of other countries reading the log [17:40:31] cause the durbin peeps don't understand afrikaans or klingon [17:40:40] lol [17:40:43] queery: ek verstaan!! [17:40:49] translate.google.com verstaan afrikaans [17:40:51] queery: drubin understands well enough [17:40:55] oops durban [17:40:57] hehe [17:41:11] We had great release partys [17:41:11] did anyone of you saw the realtime translate on google during GoogleIO? [17:41:15] *youtube [17:41:25] nuvolari: let's concentrate on the meeting, ok? [17:41:35] Did anyone get pic for the Pretoria release party? [17:41:37] sorry [17:42:03] Did anyone take pics for Stellenbosch? [17:42:06] maiatoday, thank you for posting the pics of the WC release party [17:42:20] i take that as a yes [17:42:21] yes i saw a pic [17:42:24] yes there were a few, I posted them on my blog [17:42:25] yes I did and there are a few on facebook Tonberry [17:42:47] did anybody here go to the pretoria release party? [17:42:57] nope [17:43:27] Maaz: agreed maiatoday will mail pretoria release party people and see if they have photos [17:43:27] Agreed: maiatoday will mail pretoria release party people and see if they have photos [17:43:32] maiatoday: regarding reviewing the last meeting's minutes, they look fine, but I can't remember actually discussing any of it! :-P [17:44:16] I have jumped to third item on previous minutes already :P superfly [17:44:32] the third item on the previous minutes was loco-contact replacement [17:44:38] kbmonkey: we should organise something for 11.10 [17:44:43] I don't think anything has happened with this [17:44:45] maiatoday: I know, just no one else said anything about them [17:44:47] [17:44:54] maiatoday: no nothing has happened with that. [17:45:01] welcome ender [17:45:15] what should we do drubin? [17:45:16] Maaz: i am Jedri Visser [17:45:16] ender: Yessir [17:45:21] I did look at the date that I was 'voted in' and it was JUST under 2 years ago, September 2009 [17:45:48] So I am going to email the list next week, saying I would like to step down but I think a sane thing would be to have some one join me before I step down. [17:45:53] yes I like that idea nuvolari! [17:46:11] [17:46:13] so that I can help them and get them updated and stuff better not leave them in the dark. [17:46:21] hello koiosify [17:46:31] exactly how we pick that person I am not sure... [17:46:50] maaz: i am Nicholas Thompson [17:46:50] koiosify: Sure [17:46:59] Maaz: i am Marco Gallotta [17:46:59] marcog: Sure [17:46:59] drubin I looked at the Loco team how to and they don't really prescrbe how we should decide on who takes over from you [17:47:03] I guess we can do it here? [17:47:07] so I propose that we ask for volunteers [17:47:29] I also propose that we have more than one person so that is someone is busy the other one can help [17:47:44] Maaz: I am Hilton Gibson [17:47:44] oogway: Okay [17:47:56] maiatoday: are there any obvious candidates? [17:47:59] Is there anybody here who wants to be the loco contact person [17:48:00] ? [17:48:04] i recall tumbleweed saying he was interested [17:48:08] I'd volunteer however feel I could've been more around and involved lately, so ja [17:48:08] maiatoday, i agree [17:48:30] I would if someone would help me out [17:48:33] I am super busy so if I take the job I don't want to do it alone [17:48:35] snap [17:48:44] :) [17:48:46] hehe [17:48:53] is it possible to do it from overseas? :P [17:49:16] marcog: no [17:49:19] perhaps we should rotate by region ? [17:49:24] drubin: awe [17:49:29] we need one or 2 people [17:49:40] oogway: no [17:49:50] I also don't agree oogway [17:49:58] we could have a couple but one person still needs to be the official loco contact, correct? an ubuntu intermediary? [17:50:05] most places have 1 person. some people have 2 [17:50:06] maybe even look at people from each region [17:50:07] we should really try get someone from outside of WC involved though [17:50:13] but we can\t have more then that and we can't really rotate them [17:50:23] 1 WC, 1 non-WC [17:50:39] the Loco-Contact is some one for the Loco council to contact and for Canonical to be in contact with.... it isnt some one that is incharge of the loco :) [17:50:41] ideally the loco should have lots of people involved and the contact is just the contact [17:50:47] maiatoday: ^5 [17:51:05] i like [17:51:09] ah okay! [17:51:18] i like maiatoday for this [17:51:29] so if it is just to be the contact ie read the mails and pass things on, I am happy to take that roll if I can have queery helping me [17:51:36] seems to be the best person to flow information [17:51:39] yay!! [17:51:44] im in [17:52:12] is the group ok with the contact changing in this way, or are there other volunteers who want to step forward? [17:52:23] I approve [17:52:27] me too [17:52:27] any second's? [17:52:28] * superfly doesn't have the time [17:52:32] +1 [17:52:34] I second it! [17:52:36] I approve too [17:52:37] i'll voluteer next week [17:52:41] *year [17:52:42] lol [17:52:44] +1 [17:52:44] lol [17:52:45] I'll help out more though, deal [17:52:46] lol [17:52:52] Kerbero, you can still help out [17:53:02] as ek mag afrikaans praat [17:53:13] ja maar nie in 'n meeting nie [17:53:13] I just feel that we are a bit disconnected in KZN and should do something about it :/ [17:53:34] maiatoday: VERY happy :) [17:53:39] what about other areas [17:53:42] same in johannesburf [17:53:44] is there someone in KZN (or anywhere else for that matter) that wants to get involved on a more formal level [17:53:52] johannesburg* [17:53:53] what nuvolari said, we need to get together that might add some glue [17:54:20] kbmonkey: were you at the ubuntu hour we had the start of the year? [17:54:39] who is we? [17:54:46] maiatoday: I would [17:54:47] I can't recall nuvolari, I was absent during that time. [17:54:48] *are [17:54:52] how about setting up regional contacts? [17:55:04] great nuvolari that would be great [17:55:16] kbmonkey: we anly had 1, so you would have remembered :P [17:55:18] regional contact would be handy for getting the CDs to the regions [17:55:21] marcog: in terms of inter-region communication? [17:55:23] I like that nuvolari [17:55:42] superfly: that, and also heading things in that province [17:55:50] i can get to durban at most once a month [17:55:53] superfly: i just fear we're too segmented [17:56:02] I'm open for being a KZN contact / CD distributor [17:56:12] drubin marcog, I can make maaz agree that me and queery become contacts but I don't want to push the group into this if they feel more discussion ie ML is needed [17:56:22] agree [17:56:32] marcog: absolutely [17:56:35] maiatoday: i think we need a ML confirmation here [17:56:40] marcog: ML? [17:56:42] but drubin needs to decide [17:56:50] nuvolari: mailing list [17:56:55] ah [17:57:03] drubin can I task you to take this forward on the mailing list (ML) [17:57:07] * highvoltage peeks in [17:57:15] hi highvoltage [17:57:16] o/ highvoltage [17:57:33] close the door behind you highvoltage [17:57:50] queery: no I don't :) I am just the contact not the boss [17:57:53] maiatoday: yes please please do [17:58:07] Maaz: agreed drubin will contact the ML and discuss the follow up contact [17:58:07] Agreed: drubin will contact the ML and discuss the follow up contact [17:58:20] maiatoday: I will help you and we can do coffee to help with the hand over proccesss but honestly you doing most of it any way [17:58:32] NEXT!!! [17:58:33] ok on to the agend: look here http://loco.ubuntu.com/meetings/team/91/detail/ [17:58:33] * highvoltage closes door [17:58:44] maiatoday: but it might only be Wednesday or next week ;/ [17:58:54] drubin works too hard [17:59:02] amen Banlam [17:59:04] that's cool drubin, we can set a time later [17:59:09] Maaz: topic Discuss how to get the CDs to everybody [17:59:09] Current Topic: Discuss how to get the CDs to everybody [17:59:18] maiatoday: nice job on keeping the team reports going. there was lots of discussion about team reports at UDS... and how the average team sucks at keeping them maintained :) [17:59:28] They are in my car boot (does that sound familiar drubin?) [17:59:43] we have been a bit lax in that department highvoltage [17:59:47] but we try [17:59:50] maiatoday: it is the way of the loco-contact [17:59:52] maiatoday: when yo ubring me your HDD you can give me some cd's [17:59:58] * nuvolari don't keep stuff in the boot anymore due to fear of waterdamage :P [18:00:11] highvoltage: Maia was a master at that! but then both me and Maia go really busy [18:00:05] highvoltage, have you identified yet? [18:00:27] I was thinking more along the line of is there anybody travelling to durban, pretoria, bloem etc who will take cds [18:00:35] also do the people from UCT need cds [18:00:32] Kerbero: she has the printed cd's [18:01:07] drubin: printed cd's? [18:01:11] are there points of presence that we could use, for example public libraries ? [18:01:19] drubin: yeah, but sometimes just the effort and trying is already a great start! [18:01:20] ooh, think about it, the cd's are not free for ordering anymore, so it's like valuables :D [18:01:34] [18:01:35] I have had some individual request for cds but I don't want to start mailing all over the country, I'd rather send a box to a LUG or other local contact and let them distribute [18:01:49] maiatoday: yes that is the way to go. [18:02:04] maybe we should put out a request for "couriers" on the mailing list? [18:02:10] Any requests from KZN maiatoday ? [18:02:13] * Kerbero requests a box for stellenbosch university [18:02:14] how many lugs do we have? [18:02:28] superfly: I have sent a request out on the mailing list asking just that [18:02:28] people who are going in those directions who can drop off CDs with the regional contact [18:02:39] maiatoday: oh, OK [18:02:41] kbmonkey: no only from pretoria [18:02:51] * superfly has been out of the loop for the last 3 weeks [18:03:15] Kerbero: I'll get some to you [18:03:20] thanx [18:03:28] [18:03:32] marcog do you need cds [18:03:43] drubin, how many LUG's do we have in SA do you know? [18:03:49] queery: not a clue [18:03:58] maiatoday: would be nice to have, but tbh uct students can always burn their own [18:03:59] ok ill check on that [18:04:05] and we can contact them [18:04:12] * Kerbero only knows of sulug.sun and leg.uct [18:04:19] marcog: Kerbero : I requested they send another box I will email Canonical again tonight [18:04:27] cool beans [18:04:35] ^^ please remind me in a little bit... My memory isn't what it used to be [18:04:35] GLUG, Durban was restarting their LUG recently [18:04:41] Maaz: agreed queery will make a list of LUGS so we can find out who to send the CDs to [18:04:41] Agreed: queery will make a list of LUGS so we can find out who to send the CDs to [18:04:44] for lug's check: http://www.ubuntu.sun.ac.za/wiki/index.php/Help [18:04:45] so can sun marcog, but it's nicer for official distrabution and getting new users [18:04:48] ie 2-3 hours [18:04:49] there's something else to consider, why not save the serious effort for LTS releases only? [18:05:05] will do thanx oogway [18:05:12] queery: yeah, but it's typically old users that grab them first [18:05:13] yeah sure marcog I agree [18:05:28] the exception is o-week and other events [18:05:30] but in the mean time the CDs are in my car and people could be using them [18:05:39] marcog: I am fine with that. [18:05:56] maiatoday: how many do you have? [18:05:57] true [18:05:59] marcog: but at least with Stellies giving out the printed cd's has had huge success [18:06:10] marcog: +- 250 cds are given [18:06:11] drubin: how have you distributed? [18:06:19] Maaz: agreed maiatody will get CDs to stellenbosch [18:06:19] Agreed: maiatody will get CDs to stellenbosch [18:06:22] wow, that's a lot [18:06:26] maiatoday, I request CD's, I will coordinate with you to courrier them (i'll pay) if we cant find a running hand :) [18:06:26] Maaz: I have done nothing! :) [18:06:26] drubin: I already know stuff about I [18:06:43] marcog: I have done nothing... I have literally be wering around [18:06:49] working* [18:06:53] why no lug in KZN ? [18:07:00] cool kbmonkey that would be great [18:07:08] lol at Maaz [18:07:11] drubin: cause seriously, unless someone makes an effort to distribute them they end up in the hands of people who mostly just want to hold onto the CD [18:07:14] and drubin [18:07:23] oogway: we're a bit distributed :/ [18:07:26] marcog: Honestly you are speaking to the brick wall... [18:07:31] lol [18:07:39] because currently I am less usefull then a brick wall.... at least that provides support [18:07:46] do we need more discussion on this topic? [18:07:48] lol [18:08:12] I think we can take it further on the list again [18:08:18] ok [18:08:20] * kbmonkey nods [18:08:24] i think: [18:08:28] Maaz: topic Reminder of the things we try to do, e.g. irc meetings, monthly reports, any other? [18:08:28] Current Topic: Reminder of the things we try to do, e.g. irc meetings, monthly reports, any other [18:08:32] universities are the best place [18:08:34] we have +- 20mins left.. meetings over 1 hour become useless [18:08:43] to get new users [18:08:57] I just wanted to list again the things that I know of that we should do and ask if anyone wants to help [18:09:12] Kerbero: agreed ! [18:09:17] * inetpro stepping into the room... need to read all the discussions [18:09:29] sorry forbeing late [18:09:34] So basically it's monthly reports and ubuntu hour and meetings and release parties [18:09:40] hi inetpro [18:09:51] hi inetpro, remember to identify [18:09:52] hi inetpro [18:09:54] I seem to miss the meetings because I loose track so I would like someone to be the meeting prodder [18:10:05] someone who just reminds as and gets things going [18:10:15] is there someone who can take this task? [18:10:19] maiatoday: what's the next would-be date? [18:10:31] Maaz: I am Gustav H Meyer [18:10:31] inetpro: Alrighty [18:10:35] the google cal helps me but sometimes I forget too [18:10:37] it is suposed to be once a month and we have ical [18:10:43] 13 june? [18:10:48] marcog: june 20th [18:10:55] at least according to the google cal [18:11:07] fyi if you import the ical you can setup an email reminder. I forget everything unless there's a reminder attached. [18:11:50] unfortunately somebody else can not set your reminders for you [18:12:08] or fortunately [18:12:09] I am talking about setting up the agenda page and sending a reminder to the list [18:12:12] drubin: where's the calendar? [18:12:32] maiatoday: yeah, but topic at least might remind someone closer to the time [18:12:55] also I really want to ask everybody to add things to the monthly report because I don't always know of things that are happening [18:13:01] thanks marcog [18:13:28] Maaz: agreed maiatoday will send reminder to the mailing list about tasks and volunteers [18:13:28] Agreed: maiatoday will send reminder to the mailing list about tasks and volunteers [18:13:36] ical is here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/teams/ubuntu-za/ical [18:13:43] we need to perhaps remember to alert/invite via twitter and or identica [18:13:50] Just to add my exporience: the only reason i ever know about ubuntu hours and release party's is because it is also mailed te the Sulug mailing list [18:13:56] ta oogway [18:13:57] +1 for twitter [18:14:32] (just had the suggestion to use facebook events) [18:14:37] +1 for identi.ca [18:14:49] Kerbero, are you on the ubuntu-za mailing list? [18:14:52] ok I'll talk to Kerbero inetpro about after the meeting about setting this up [18:14:53] no [18:14:55] +1 for facebook [18:14:58] +1 for twitter [18:14:58] i've been trialing facebook pages which post to twitter and it's been working really great [18:15:04] I want to move on to the last item on the agend [18:15:14] maiatoday: on the website [18:15:17] na @ ubuntu-za mailing list - reason: too much spam [18:15:20] *no [18:15:30] eh? [18:15:34] what spam? [18:15:36] https://www.facebook.com/algcircle pushes to https://twitter.com/#!/algcircle [18:15:42] ubuntu-za is getting HUGE pickup/spam [18:15:45] sorry to move you along but [18:15:47] and the feedback from it has been really positive [18:15:48] ok well I will repost event's to sulug if I remember [18:15:52] we have had lots and lots of people unsubscribe :) [18:15:52] Maaz: topic LPI 101 Training Interest [18:15:52] Current Topic: LPI 101 Training Interest [18:15:54] nuvolari: no idea, just heard rumours and i'm already on too many mailing lists [18:15:55] :? why do I miss the spam? [18:16:03] this was wesleys topic [18:16:37] where, with whom ? [18:16:40] kbmonkey [18:16:42] yes, we had a sudden interest in the LPI exams, linux administration certification for those who missed it [18:16:50] what exactly does the LPI entail? [18:16:50] can't me create a seperate mailing list that sends on the other only for events [18:17:01] *we [18:17:24] and why do they have pictures of soccer players on their website? [18:17:31] (damn dvorak typo's) [18:17:32] kbmonkey do you have a link [18:17:33] I'm itching so bad to do LPI but I don't have time to study [18:17:53] * kbmonkey finding the link [18:18:01] www.lpi.org ? [18:18:14] also want to but no time and no money [18:18:23] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2011-May/007715.html [18:18:34] thats the mailing list discussion, with links included [18:18:43] an example: http://staff.lib.sun.ac.za/~hgibson/docs/cv/lpi-1.html [18:19:00] :P [18:19:03] nice [18:19:13] oogway: boetiful! [18:19:37] so we were talking about organizing study groups, to help another learn for the LPI 101 [18:19:49] nuvolari: nice dvorak typo there [18:20:02] Kerbero: lol, not a typo [18:20:03] I guess they could be local meets, and IRC study groups could also work [18:20:06] intended [18:20:06] hehe [18:20:28] I am pretty keen to do this cert, so count me in [18:20:35] IRC study groups sounds like a cool idea [18:20:46] whats the cost? [18:20:52] as long as we help each other with problems, and keep working through the material... [18:21:13] +1 for IRC study groups [18:21:18] there are training courses in Ct and JHB, but none here in KZN. [18:21:47] but I am confident and happy to self-learn the 101, hence the study group idea coming in [18:21:47] * inetpro has never seen the study material, how can we get it? [18:22:03] https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-za/2011-May/007715.html [18:22:06] [18:22:13] the lpi 101 gets you this: http://staff.lib.sun.ac.za/~hgibson/docs/cv/ubuntu.html [18:22:33] i would like lpi 201 and 202 [18:22:38] lo ghostknife [18:22:40] follow the first link in there inetpro, there are two book links, and one free CC pdf with material [18:22:53] thx queery :) [18:22:59] nuvolari: pong [18:23:00] np [18:23:04] kbmonkey: of course, /me should have followed the link :-) [18:23:47] kbmonkey: do you want people to mail you/ chat after so you guys can organise this, I think we can move on with the meeting or is there a decision that needs to be taken? [18:24:01] [18:24:05] agreed maiatoday [18:24:06] the peopel who manage the ICDL in south africa are apparently the people to conact for the IPL in SA, they do have KZN offices [18:24:32] I suggest everyone interested join the ZA mailing list, we can start throwing ideas around there [18:24:32] Maaz: minutes so far [18:24:32] Minutes available at json: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-05-16-17-36-58.json :: txt: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-05-16-17-36-58.txt :: html: http://maaz.mene.za.net/logs/meetings/freenode-%23ubuntu-za/2011-05-16-17-36-58.html [18:24:37] LPI1 sounds manageable [18:24:39] Banlam: thx [18:24:48] *looks [18:24:54] okedoke I had a late entry agenda item from oogway, he wants to discuss the new unity interface [18:25:04] o [18:25:07] unity is awesome [18:25:11] I think this is a very wide topic that we can't really make a decision on in this meeting [18:25:14] * nuvolari steps out of unity discussion [18:25:22] few bugs, but i'm impressed [18:25:30] * maiatoday also steps out of the unity discussion [18:25:31] oogway, anything specific? [18:25:32] haven't used Unity yet [18:25:32] who uses it now ? [18:25:39] huh? unity? I'm happy with my KDE 4.6 - it's awesome [18:25:42] * Banlam still runs 10.11 [18:25:47] *10.10 [18:25:51] * Kerbero uses it on both his laptop and main pc now [18:25:52]