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| == Introduction == | * Created: [[Date(2005-12-13T12:45:06Z)]] by JaniMonoses * Priority: NeedsPriority * People: JaniMonoses, NeedsSecond * Contributors: JaniMonoses * [https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-roadmap-dapper] == Summary == Xubuntu Roadmap for Dapper == Scope == |
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| main goal - getting ubuntu-express/install CDs out for Dapper. If you want to help out by taking over one of the tasks or doing a new one add yourself next to it. Discussing it previously on xubuntu-devel is required. Tasks not having explicitly specified owners mean they are assigned to me (janimo). As goals crystalize and we decide upon them they can be put into launchpad as more formal specs/tasks. |
main goal - getting ubuntu-express/install CDs out for Dapper. |
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| The tasks: | == Implementation == |
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| == Artwork == | === Artwork === |
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| *TODO: upload/integrate all current work *TODO: get more works/feedback |
*TODO: upload/integrate all current work and get more proposals |
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| == Documentation == | === Documentation === |
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| *DONE: Julio has written a nice about-xubuntu ff start page which is packaged in xubuntu-docs (on REVU only) | *DONE: Julio has written a nice about-xubuntu ff start page which is packaged in xubuntu-docs |
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| *TODO: get xubuntu-docs voted for in REVU so it can be uploaded. | |
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| == Sync with debian unstable (ongoing task) == | === Internationalization === *TODO: collect feedback from people from various locales and see what xfce/xubuntu lacks in this respect *TODO: check out the ubuntu langpacks and how they are relevant to us.(Feb 28: xfce packages translations could be in the base langpacks since they only add around ~200 per language) *TODO: establish contacts and help xfce upstream i18n team with getting 4.4 in shape wrt translations if needed === Sync with debian unstable (ongoing task) === |
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| *TODO: sync newer exo and thunar when they are uploaded to debian. *TODO: push upstream our packages which they don't have (notably some xfce-goodies) |
*DONE: sync newer exo and thunar when they are uploaded to debian. *TODO: push upstream our packages which they don't have (notably some xfce-goodies) (some done, some more to go) *DONE: diverged from debian a lot since uploading xfce 4.3 svn packages. |
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| As both of these depend on debian upstream there's not much we can do besides becoming DDs and lending a hand. | I am a pkg-xfce member on alioth now, so I can help out in their svn. |
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| == Promoting packages to main (ongoing task) == | === Promoting packages to main (ongoing task) === |
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| The CD build infrastructure works only with packages in ubuntu main. So xubuntu related packages need to be promoted. Also needed for them to be supported in ubuntu-updates and ubuntu-security. |
Xubuntu packages need to be in main so the CD build infrastructure works with them and so they can be supported in ubuntu-updates and ubuntu-security. |
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| *DONE: main inclusion reports written and enqueued, pending review (by pitti probably) *TODO: respond and correct the issues raised during review *TODO: sync exo from debian (see above) as having it come from there makes the review process more straightforward and less risky. |
* DONE: most packages have been approved but not yet been actually promoted to main (Feb 28) |
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| == App selection == | === App selection === |
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| A display manager: gdm seems like the best choice as it is used by ubuntu, has features, looks ok and is actively maintained upstream. Xdm/Wdm/Slim/qingy were considered but dropped for various reasons - ugliness, lack of features, immaturity, lack of ubuntu integration and not least nobody advocating them actively enough. This is a task still open for experimenters who can convincingly argue for one of the alternative DMs. *TODO: see below - building it w/o gnome deps |
==== Display manager ==== gdm seems like the best choice as it is used by ubuntu, has lots of features, looks ok and is actively maintained upstream. Xdm/Wdm/Slim/qingy were considered but dropped for various reasons - ugliness, lack of features, immaturity, lack of ubuntu integration and not least nobody advocating them actively enough. This is a task still open for experimenters who can convincingly argue for one of the alternative DMs. The main point against gdm is it not being lightweight enough but that seems to be changing :) |
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| A volume manager: - most likely ivman. It is already in main as it was used by kubuntu until 5.10. *TODO: wait for new upstream version which includes specifying alternate config dir so we do not mess up current setting in /etc. Upstream promised this week. *DONE: ivman config files uploaded to REVU as part of xubuntu-default-settings package. Waiting for votes. |
*DONE: uploaded without gnome deps, we have a xubuntu theme. |
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| Default file manager: - thunar. *TODO: wait for it to come in through debian |
==== Volume manager ==== |
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| Configuration apps: There are no nice networking/printer config apps for Xfce. *TODO: evaluate writing them using system-tools-backend. Anyone interested? |
Feb 28: Most likely thunar's inbuilt volume manager, we will have ivman but not started by default, the following items are historical: |
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| == Only packages without gnome dependencies in xubuntu-desktop == | most likely ivman. It is already in main as it was used by kubuntu until 5.10. *DONE: wait for new upstream version which includes specifying alternate config dir so we do not mess up current setting in /etc. Upstream promised this week. *DONE: ivman config files uploaded as part of xubuntu-default-settings. *DONE: wait for my main upload privileges to take effect and I can upload new ivman itself. *TODO: Daniele proposed a python script to replace/complement ivman, need to discuss this. ==== Default file manager ==== thunar. *DONE: wait for it to come in through debian *TODO:keep up with packaging upstream ==== Miscellaneous hacks ==== *TODO: evaluate writing printer/network config apps for xfce using gtk and system-tools-backend *TODO: integrate with laptop hotkey-setup *TODO: fix logout dialog to not require password, and to work with power-manager (suspend/hibernate buttons) Feb 28: shutdown done through hal directly, g-p-m depends on gnome libs so unfortunately not for us. hibernate/suspend pending on finding a sane layout for the logout dialog.(look at gnome) *TODO: integrate hwdb-client, update-manager, update-notifier (these all have various gnome deps so may be tricky) (Feb28: update manager now only depends on gconf2, so it will be in xubuntu by default) === Only packages without gnome dependencies in xubuntu-desktop === |
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| gdm uses very few gnome functions calls. I built a gdm w/o gnome deps and sent part of the changes upstream a week ago. No response yet, I will follow up shortly with the rest of the changes. | gdm uses very few gnome functions calls. I built a gdm w/o gnome deps and sent part of the changes upstream a week ago. No response yet, I will follow up shortly with the rest of the changes. (Dec 13 update: upstream took the patches and released them as part of 2.13.0.3, and seems to go in the same de-gnomifying direction, so luckily we won't have to have a forked gdm in xubuntu)(Jan 6: as of 2.13.0.4 only gdmsetup uses gnome libs but this still means the gdm package installs them)(Jan 17: 2.13.0.5 is totally gnome-free, waiting for it to be packaged) Feb 28: DONE for a while now. Still brings in liborbit, gconf, gksu, gnome-keyring though. |
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| Built and runs fine, needs packaging, upload to REVU. | Built and runs fine, needs packaging and upload. Waiting for upstream 0.5.0 to be released to do this. Feb 28: upstream release 0.5.1 no need to wait more as they do not seem to want to integrate the gtk-patch. |
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| == Xfce version to use == | === Xfce version to use === |
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| *4.2 pros: -already packaged/used/tested since Hoary -stable -translations very complete |
*4.2 pros * already packaged/used/tested since Hoary * stable * translations very complete |
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| -really nice new features in the wm and the panel especially | * really nice new features in the wm and the panel especially |
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| == Colaboration with Xfce upstream == | DONE: using 4.3 svn packages now, keep them up to date as upstream progresses === Colaboration with Xfce upstream === |
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| pitched to their i18n team but I don't know much about rosetta's maturity. | pitched to their i18n team but I don't know much about rosetta's maturity.(Feb 28: unless it is free software they will not unanimously agree on using it) |
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| == Other specifications relevant to Xubuntu == | === Other specifications relevant to Xubuntu === |
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| Ubuntu express, specifically the gnome ui | Espresso, specifically the gnome ui |
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Edubuntu - for a lighter version === Other things === Contact UbuntuLite and see if we can colaborate better than we do now. They have done some good research on lightweight apps. We could have icewm in xubuntu too as an option, as it is small, so a nice default install of ubuntu + icewm may cover at least part of ubuntulite goals. Must see how to incorporate their more intrusive changes without diverging from ubuntu core, but probably this will come with the price that the system won't be as lightweight as theirs. Maybe we could have a set of utilities which turn a xubuntu into an ubuntu lite (i.e boot directly into X w/o a DM, remove some uneeded services) (Jan 6): A few UbuntuLite people contacted and seemed interested so far , let's see if something comes out of this. (Jan 17): nothing on this front so far. * Other option is TDE window manager. TDE (Techisa Desktop Environment) is a lightweight alternative desktop environment developed using Qt. The project's goal is to provide users with a comfortable environment using as few resources as possible. This WM is really very customizable. Oficial homepage: http://tde.codigolivre.org.br (only brazilian portuguese). Other homepage: http://freshmeat.net/projects/tde |
Created: Date(2005-12-13T12:45:06Z) by JaniMonoses
Priority: NeedsPriority
People: JaniMonoses, NeedsSecond
Contributors: JaniMonoses
[https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/xubuntu-roadmap-dapper]
Summary
Xubuntu Roadmap for Dapper
Scope
This page covers the xubuntu-dapper tasks to accomplish in order to meet our main goal - getting ubuntu-express/install CDs out for Dapper.
Implementation
Artwork
- DONE: we have nice usplash, proposed wallpapers and gdm theme
- TODO: somebody qualified volunteering to oversee artwork direction
- TODO: upload/integrate all current work and get more proposals
Documentation
- DONE: Julio has written a nice about-xubuntu ff start page which is packaged in xubuntu-docs
- TODO: somebody qualified volunteering to oversee xubuntu doc writing
- TODO: get doc people to use ubuntu-docs svn and go on freely with writing xubuntu docs.
Internationalization
- TODO: collect feedback from people from various locales and see what xfce/xubuntu lacks in this respect
- TODO: check out the ubuntu langpacks and how they are relevant to us.(Feb 28: xfce packages translations could
- be in the base langpacks since they only add around ~200 per language)
- TODO: establish contacts and help xfce upstream i18n team with getting 4.4 in shape wrt translations if needed
Sync with debian unstable (ongoing task)
Current status: we already have reduced the diffs between us and debian with the 4.2.3.2 sync, but there are still packages which diverge. Most of it is noise though, not real diffs. http://utnubu.alioth.debian.org/scottish/by_maint/pkg-xfce-devel@lists.alioth.debian.org/
- DONE: sync newer exo and thunar when they are uploaded to debian.
- TODO: push upstream our packages which they don't have (notably some xfce-goodies) (some done, some more to go)
- DONE: diverged from debian a lot since uploading xfce 4.3 svn packages.
I am a pkg-xfce member on alioth now, so I can help out in their svn.
Promoting packages to main (ongoing task)
Xubuntu packages need to be in main so the CD build infrastructure works with them and so they can be supported in ubuntu-updates and ubuntu-security.
- DONE: most packages have been approved but not yet been actually promoted to main (Feb 28)
App selection
The key apps we need to be usable are listed here. For more details go to XubuntuProposedPackages
Display manager
gdm seems like the best choice as it is used by ubuntu, has lots of features, looks ok and is actively maintained upstream. Xdm/Wdm/Slim/qingy were considered but dropped for various reasons - ugliness, lack of features, immaturity, lack of ubuntu integration and not least nobody advocating them actively enough. This is a task still open for experimenters who can convincingly argue for one of the alternative DMs. The main point against gdm is it not being lightweight enough but that seems to be changing
*DONE: uploaded without gnome deps, we have a xubuntu theme.
Volume manager
Feb 28: Most likely thunar's inbuilt volume manager, we will have ivman but not started by default,
- the following items are historical:
- most likely ivman. It is already in main as it was used by kubuntu until 5.10.
- DONE: wait for new upstream version which includes specifying alternate config dir so we do not mess up current setting in /etc. Upstream promised this week.
- DONE: ivman config files uploaded as part of xubuntu-default-settings.
- DONE: wait for my main upload privileges to take effect and I can upload new ivman itself.
- TODO: Daniele proposed a python script to replace/complement ivman, need to discuss this.
Default file manager
- thunar.
- DONE: wait for it to come in through debian
TODO:keep up with packaging upstream
Miscellaneous hacks
- TODO: evaluate writing printer/network config apps for xfce using gtk and system-tools-backend
- TODO: integrate with laptop hotkey-setup
- TODO: fix logout dialog to not require password, and to work with power-manager (suspend/hibernate buttons)
- Feb 28: shutdown done through hal directly, g-p-m depends on gnome libs so unfortunately not for us. hibernate/suspend pending on finding a sane layout for the logout dialog.(look at gnome)
- TODO: integrate hwdb-client, update-manager, update-notifier (these all have various gnome deps so may be tricky)
- (Feb28: update manager now only depends on gconf2, so it will be in xubuntu by default)
Only packages without gnome dependencies in xubuntu-desktop
A contentious subject, but lacking more scientfic data to be able to differentiate between heavy and light apps one guideline is 'no gnome dependencies'. Obviously also no kde/mono/java deps either. Actually I have used exmap, so there is some scientific data but on the machine I am developing on (1,73GHz, 512M) using an additional 4-5 Meg or loading 29 additional .so objects does not seem to make a visible difference. It probably does on lesser hardware.
- TODO: gdm w/o gnome.
gdm uses very few gnome functions calls. I built a gdm w/o gnome deps and sent part of the changes upstream a week ago. No response yet, I will follow up shortly with the rest of the changes. (Dec 13 update: upstream took the patches and released them as part of 2.13.0.3, and seems to go in the same de-gnomifying direction, so luckily we won't have to have a forked gdm in xubuntu)(Jan 6: as of 2.13.0.4 only gdmsetup uses gnome libs but this still means the gdm package installs them)(Jan 17: 2.13.0.5 is totally gnome-free, waiting for it to be packaged) Feb 28: DONE for a while now. Still brings in liborbit, gconf, gksu, gnome-keyring though.
- TODO: evince w/o gnome.
Built and runs fine, needs packaging and upload. Waiting for upstream 0.5.0 to be released to do this. Feb 28: upstream release 0.5.1 no need to wait more as they do not seem to want to integrate the gtk-patch.
- TODO: gnumeric w/o gnome
both libgoffice and gnumeric have --without-gnome config options (they have a win32 port) upstream debian packager said he would accept clean patches to make gnumeric-gtk binary debs too.
Xfce version to use
Initial goal was using 4.4 since it was supposed to come out by April. However Xfce upstream is divided whether that release will be stable enough to base a distro on by that time. Still an ongoing research
- 4.2 pros
- already packaged/used/tested since Hoary
- stable
- translations very complete
- 4.4 pros:
- really nice new features in the wm and the panel especially
DONE: using 4.3 svn packages now, keep them up to date as upstream progresses
Colaboration with Xfce upstream
Need to investigate whether ubuntu can offer anything besides user feedback to Xfce. Maybe rosetta could be pitched to their i18n team but I don't know much about rosetta's maturity.(Feb 28: unless it is free software they will not unanimously agree on using it) They use bugzilla and svn so LP is probably not tempting either, especially not at this stage. Once bzr is default we'll import their svn anyway for testing purposes.
Other specifications relevant to Xubuntu
Espresso, specifically the gnome ui https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/ue-gnome-ui
Desktop specification https://launchpad.net/distros/ubuntu/+spec/dapper-desktop-plan (particularly regarding what to have in the menus, logout dialog icons instead of radio buttons)
Edubuntu - for a lighter version
Other things
Contact UbuntuLite and see if we can colaborate better than we do now. They have done some good research on lightweight apps. We could have icewm in xubuntu too as an option, as it is small, so a nice default install of ubuntu + icewm may cover at least part of ubuntulite goals. Must see how to incorporate their more intrusive changes without diverging from ubuntu core, but probably this will come with the price that the system won't be as lightweight as theirs. Maybe we could have a set of utilities which turn a xubuntu into an ubuntu lite (i.e boot directly into X w/o a DM, remove some uneeded services)
(Jan 6): A few UbuntuLite people contacted and seemed interested so far , let's see if something comes out of this. (Jan 17): nothing on this front so far.
* Other option is TDE window manager. TDE (Techisa Desktop Environment) is a lightweight alternative desktop environment developed using Qt. The project's goal is to provide users with a comfortable environment using as few resources as possible. This WM is really very customizable. Oficial homepage: http://tde.codigolivre.org.br (only brazilian portuguese). Other homepage: http://freshmeat.net/projects/tde
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