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What: Ubuntu Studio Team Meeting

When: Sunday, 2011-06-08 - 17:00 UTC
To view the meeting date/time in your time zone, click here.

Where: irc.freenode.net #ubuntu-meeting

Agenda for Meeting

If you wish to discuss anything not in this agenda, please wait until Any Other Business is called for.

• Call Meeting to Order
• Old Business
  • none
• Oneiric Timeline (Scott)

  • Rough timeline can be found here

  • Please look over and make changes so we can firm it up
  • Do people want it in chronological order?
• Website Update (Jorge/Scott)
  • When will we have "final" form to look at?
  • Where is it going to be hosted?
  • Define what content will/will not go onto website
  • Can we plan a date to go "live"?
• XFCE/UI Changes (Cory)
  • Do we have a tentative date for new -settings/-look packages?
  • Do you need help or testing?
  • Is there a newer screenshot for the new UI prototype?
  • Should we provide a option that looks like old UI?
• Menu changes (Scott)
  • Should we additional sub-menus for Audio Production? For example, for MIDI, synthesizers, or effects.
  • Anyone interested in organizing and effecting this? ScottL can provide technical assistance.
• Documentation Updates (Ailo/Scott)
  • Clarification: generally help.ubuntu.com is for users and wiki.ubuntu.com is for developement
  • The plan is to reorganize the help.ubuntu.com documentation
  • We will be deprecating older pages, modifying current ones, and creating additional pages as needed
  • Is anyone else interested in assisting?
  • ScottL would also like to work on wiki.ubuntu.com
• New Applications (Scott)
  • plugins - mda-lv2, eq10q, autotalent,invada-studio-plugins-lv2, vocproc, wah-plugins, foo-yc20, amb-plugins, dssi-vst, lv2vocoder, omins
  • ladish - ladish, gladish, ladi-tools
  • mudita24 - envy24control update, trying to get into Debian in time for Oneiric
• Testing Procedures
  • Still need testing procedures developed
  • Is anyone interesting in organizing and effecting this?
• Libre Graphics Magazine Ad (Scott)
  • We have an opportunity for a free, full page ad in Libre Graphics Magazine
  • Should we time this with Oneiric's release?
  • Should we form a small group to help with brainstorming ideas and creating the ad?
• Advocacy ideas (Mike)
• Team Reports (Scott)

  • We have a monthly team report that Canonical uses at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports

  • ScottL would really like it if someone else would volunteer to keep up with this
  • It is not hard and is a very easy way for someone to get involved and contribute to the team
• Announcements (Scott)

  • The calendar/schedule for Oneiric is at OneiricReleaseSchedule

  • LightDM will replace GDM in Oneiric Ocelot
• Any Other Business (all/anyone)
• Next Meeting Time/Location
• Next Meeting Chair

Meeting Logs

13:00 < holstein> #startmeeting 13:00 < MootBot> Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is holstein. 13:00 < MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] 13:00 < holstein> WELCOME ubuntu studio contributors team 13:01 < holstein> [topic] agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5 13:01 < MootBot> New Topic: agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5 13:01 < holstein> lets get started 13:01 < holstein> who is here? 13:01 < holstein> o/ of course..., and? 13:02 -!- scott-upstairs [~scott@conr-adsl-dhcp-64-92-4-194.consolidated.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:03 -!- falktx [~falktx@95.69.116.16] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:03 < scott-upstairs> i'm here for the meeting 13:03 < scott-upstairs> o/ 13:03 < holstein> scott-upstairs: i just dropped the link to the agenda

• https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5

13:03 < holstein> and started roll-call 13:04 -!- astraljava [astraljava@hilla.kapsi.fi] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:04 < holstein> astraljava: hey 13:05 < holstein> im sure folks will sneak in 13:05 < holstein> and ckontros is here 13:05 < scott-upstairs> oi, here 13:05 < holstein> anyways... 13:05 < astraljava> holstein: Sorry for being distracted. 13:05 < holstein> [topic] old buisness 13:05 < MootBot> New Topic: old buisness 13:05 < holstein> i have "none" 13:05 < holstein> and i think that is accurate 13:06 < falktx> hey guys 13:06 < scott-upstairs> yes, i don't think we have anything carrying over this meeting 13:06 < holstein> just thought id pose that as we wait for folks to trickle in 13:06 < falktx> my first IRC meeting, please be gentle 13:06 < holstein> falktx: welcome 13:06 < scott-upstairs> lol 13:06 < holstein> astraljava: no worries 13:07 < holstein> [topic] Oneiric Timeline https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline 13:07 < MootBot> New Topic: Oneiric Timeline https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline 13:07 < holstein> scott-upstairs: you added this 13:07 < holstein> i think its shaping up 13:07 < holstein> scott-upstairs: you want to discuss a bit? 13:07 < scott-upstairs> oi, yes...just a rough time line, please review it and the things your responsible for/helping with

• and adjust as needed

13:08 < scott-upstairs> at some point (very soon hopefully) this will be a little more fleshed out and we can start

• maintining a better schedule for this cycle

13:08 < scott-upstairs> we can use this to gauge our process and also as reminder of what we need to do and when we need to

• do it by

13:08 < holstein> [action] review the timeline at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline and adjust/help as

• needed

13:08 < MootBot> ACTION received: review the timeline at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline and

• adjust/help as needed

13:08 < scott-upstairs> furthermore it shows how other things are depending on the current task (if applicable) 13:09 < holstein> scott-upstairs: you mention putting it in chronologic order 13:09 < holstein> i say, if someone wants to do that, let them 13:09 < holstein> otherwise, its working for me as-is 13:10 < scott-upstairs> yes, i thought that putting it in chronological order would help understand how things should move

• forward

13:10 < scott-upstairs> but the colors would help people associated related items 13:10 -!- furn [~furntree@cpe-67-244-74-145.nyc.res.rr.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:10 < holstein> scott-upstairs: it wont hurt, i could look into doing that 13:10 -!- _guitarman_ [~guitarman@mail.wootangent.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:10 < scott-upstairs> for example, the website tasks which would span many months but are defintely related 13:11 < scott-upstairs> holstein, but i wanted to make sure people had made their edits first 13:11 < holstein> [action] holstein to re-order the timeline chronologically 13:11 < MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to re-order the timeline chronologically 13:11 < scott-upstairs> i thought it would be easier to do that way...or at least less confusing 13:11 < holstein> eh, i dont mind looking at it later too 13:11 < holstein> if i need to re-do some things 13:11 < holstein> anyways, i'll either do that, or ask for help with it 13:12 < holstein> scott-upstairs: anymore on that? 13:12 < scott-upstairs> not at this time, holstein 13:12 < holstein> [topic] Website Update 13:12 < MootBot> New Topic: Website Update 13:12 < holstein> i was hoping kokito would be here, but he said he couldnt be 13:12 < scott-upstairs> right, but i have some information...and not all is good 13:12 < holstein> anyways, scott-upstairs, do you have links handy you want to drop here? 13:12 < holstein> or news? 13:13 < scott-upstairs> jorge will cease working on the website effectively immediately because he is taking a new job that

• will move him to japan

13:13 < scott-upstairs> 13:13 < scott-upstairs> the relatively good news is that what he has done is fairly mature and can be used 13:13 < scott-upstairs> but we will still need to do a few things however 13:14 < scott-upstairs> we need to discuss where we are going to host it 13:14 < scott-upstairs> firstly 13:14 < scott-upstairs> does anyone have any opinions on this matter? should we continue to squeek along with canonical

• hosting and limited access or should we push forward and host ourselves?

13:15 * scott-upstairs hears crickets chirping 13:15 < holstein> scott-upstairs: i think it depends 13:15 < furn> scott-upstairs: i think anything that helps the ease of use for the end user would be a good choice 13:15 < holstein> as of now,t he cannonical hosting is not working for us 13:16 < holstein> furn: hello 13:16 < scott-upstairs> right, i recently (two days ago) got access to our website sent to me so we are not relying on eric

• anymore for updates

13:16 < furn> holstein: afternoon kind sir 13:16 < holstein> scott-upstairs: im comfortable leaving that up to you 13:16 < scott-upstairs> however i would suspect getting other access would be as laborious and i can't do everything in this

• matter

13:16 < holstein> if you feel like thd current system can work now that you have access 13:16 < scott-upstairs> so i would push for hosting ourselves but i want to get input from others 13:16 < holstein> i mean, we can vote it out 13:17 < scott-upstairs> right, holstein, make an action item please about me researching what is available for hosting, i.e.

• price, bandwidth, storage, etc, etc

13:17 < holstein> [action] scott-upstairs to research alternative hosting plans 13:17 < MootBot> ACTION received: scott-upstairs to research alternative hosting plans 13:17 < astraljava> scott-upstairs: Do we have any measurements, like how many are accessing our site daily? 13:18 < scott-upstairs> basically i feel that unless someone strenuously disagrees with us hosting our own i'll research it

• and put it to the group

13:18 < holstein> scott-upstairs: you want to leave it at that for now? and vote next time with mor information? 13:18 < astraljava> scott-upstairs: Might help in deciding about the hosting. 13:18 < scott-upstairs> we still have to evaluate what the costs are and if we can do that 13:18 < furn> scott-upstairs: i think hosting ourself at any capacity at this point is a good option 13:18 < scott-upstairs> aye, but would everyone agree with putting up five quid to help 13:18 < holstein> scott-upstairs: thats the issue 13:19 < holstein> we need to have all the information, and go from there i say 13:19 < holstein> lets table it til we get some #'s 13:19 < holstein> let me/us know if we can help gather information 13:19 < scott-upstairs> i can ask jorge via email too about hosting, he seemed to indicate that it shouldn't be that big of

• a deal

13:19 < furn> could we setup a donation system on the site as a non profit? 13:20 < scott-upstairs> i think cory mentioned away to get some funds as well, perhaps from canonical? i'll ask cory as well 13:20 < scott-upstairs> we could do that furn 13:20 < holstein> [action] vote next meeting about where the new site will be hosted 13:20 < MootBot> ACTION received: vote next meeting about where the new site will be hosted 13:20 < holstein> im going to skip the XFCE topic in hopes that ckontros makes it back 13:21 -!- mammig [~mammig@ARennes-556-1-97-249.w109-211.abo.wanadoo.fr] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:21 < furn> i think at this point with so many indie devs having paypal donation buttons, the act of politely suggesting

• the point of donation isnt quite as audacious as it once was for free media

13:21 < holstein> [topic] Menu changes 13:21 < MootBot> New Topic: Menu changes 13:21 < holstein> furn: not to cut you off 13:21 < scott-upstairs> holstein, i can answer some xfce changes but i agree let's wait and see if cory comes back, if not

• we can go with what i know

13:22 * scott-upstairs is looking for screen shots 13:22 < holstein> scott-upstairs: personally, i like the generic menu items 13:22 < holstein> for example, when i need to burn an iso in brasero, that has nothing to do with the menu its located in 13:22 < scott-upstairs> other distros (many ubuntu studio derivatives) use additioanl submenus for audio applications 13:23 < holstein> i think some of that might happen with putting apps like qtractor in a MIDI tab 13:23 < scott-upstairs> example screenshot: http://tangostudio.tuxfamily.org/images/stories/tangostudio-karmasutra.png 13:23 < holstein> i mean, qtractor is *not* the go-to daw, but if you want to record audio with it 13:23 < holstein> and its in the MIDI menu... 13:23 < scott-upstairs> right, but synthesisers could safely be put into a synth submenu 13:23 < holstein> BUT, the scrolling for apps in the giant menu is a mess* 13:23 < scott-upstairs> the same for effects 13:24 < holstein> scott-upstairs: agreed 13:24 < scott-upstairs> the current menu IS better because we cut some 13:24 < scott-upstairs> my feeling is to leave it as is because it's a lot of manual coding to "fix" it 13:24 < holstein> well, thats my other argument too 13:24 < scott-upstairs> if other's feel that this is a benefit then i would be happy to make the changes 13:24 < holstein> its more work than i feel like we need to take on right now 13:24 < scott-upstairs> IF, and only IF... 13:24 < furn> holstein: i think everyone can nit pick about a menu item that isnt properly placed, but considering out

• somewhat savvy user base having something like qtractor under midi isnt too big

13:24 < scott-upstairs> someone can clearly identify what they want 13:25 < holstein> BUT, something we should keep on the table for the future for sure 13:25 < holstein> i propose we vote to put this off til the next cycle* 13:25 < scott-upstairs> i have it in the "release planning" wiki so it's not going away forever 13:25 < scott-upstairs> seconded 13:25 < holstein> cool 13:26 < scott-upstairs> obvisouly there isn't enough support for it :P 13:26 * ckontros is "here" but not here. Im just looking in when I break from cutting my grass. 13:26 < scott-upstairs> ckontros, you want to talk about xfce? 13:26 < holstein> this is how you vote +1 / -1 / +0 13:26 < ckontros> Sure. 13:26 < holstein> ckontros: yeah, hang for a sec 13:26 < holstein> and you're next 13:26 < scott-upstairs> holstein, i'm not sure we need to vote 13:26 < holstein> [vote] hold menu re-vamp til next cycle 13:26 < MootBot> Please vote on: hold menu re-vamp til next cycle. 13:26 < MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel

• followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot

13:26 < MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting 13:26 < scott-upstairs> only two voiced opinions and we both said nay 13:26 < holstein> +1 13:26 < MootBot> +1 received from holstein. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 13:27 < scott-upstairs> +1 13:27 < MootBot> +1 received from scott-upstairs. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 13:27 < holstein> well, its official 13:27 * falktx people type too fast... 13:27 < furn> hehe 13:27 < astraljava> +1 13:27 < MootBot> +1 received from astraljava. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 13:27 < falktx> can I show a quick screen shot ? 13:27 < falktx> it's about this 13:27 < christof> +1 13:27 < MootBot> +1 received from christof. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 13:27 < holstein> falktx: sure 13:27 < holstein> christof: hello 13:27 < holstein> i think thats the majority 13:28 < holstein> [endvote] 13:28 < christof> hi all 13:28 < MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 13:28 < scott-upstairs> can ckontros go? 13:28 < holstein> [action] postpone menu revamp til next cycle (12.04) 13:28 < ckontros> Sure 13:28 < MootBot> ACTION received: postpone menu revamp til next cycle (12.04) 13:28 * scott-upstairs is anxious to get him while he's here 13:28 < ckontros> But wait. 13:28 < holstein> [topic] XFCE/UI Changes 13:28 < MootBot> New Topic: XFCE/UI Changes 13:29 < falktx> basically I already have the code for this (more submenus) 13:29 < ckontros> IDK We have to become more familuar with how XFCE does menus. 13:29 < holstein> falktx: yeah, hold that til the end if you dont mind* 13:29 < ckontros> Im unsure if we can apply the same work we did in GNOME ot XFCE. 13:29 < falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr001.jpeg 13:29 < MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr001.jpeg 13:29 < falktx> holstein: k, sorry 13:29 < holstein> falktx: no worries 13:30 < ckontros> falktx: But your install is all or nothing correct? 13:30 < holstein> ckontros: i would imagine its quite different 13:30 < scott-upstairs> mmm, falktx that is a good looking screenshot 13:30 < ckontros> Sorry to back-track but I gotta chime in. 13:31 < falktx> ckontros: nope, let me get you a quick deb 13:31 < falktx> here: 13:31 < falktx> https://launchpad.net/~kxstudio-team/+archive/kxstudio/+files/kxstudio-menu_3.0%7Egit20110527-0%7Enatty1_all.deb 13:32 < falktx> the deb is the stuff for this menu 13:32 < ckontros> falktx: So your saying your work applies to any menuing system? 13:32 < falktx> ckontros: yes, I made it work under gnome, kde and xcfe at least 13:32 < scott-upstairs> i think that xfce follows the freesektop.org guidelines better than other DE's 13:32 < holstein> agreed* 13:32 < ckontros> Ok. We'll look into this. Move along. 13:32 < falktx> scott-upstairs: kde does so, it's just gnome that is the weird thing, like they were the bosses... 13:33 < holstein> yeahm, we can always put it back on the table* 13:33 < holstein> anytime really, if we find that its something easy that we can handle 13:33 < falktx> sure, I usually around if anyone wants to know more stuff about it 13:33 < scott-upstairs> i still say that just because we can do this (adjust menu structure) that we shouldn't unless there

• is a demand

13:33 < ckontros> We might be able to do it this cycle 13:33 < scott-upstairs> and i don't think that the demand is really there apparently 13:34 < scott-upstairs> let' 13:34 < holstein> well, its postponed as it stands 13:34 < falktx> scott-upstairs: the menu gets pretty big and it's a pain to use... 13:34 < ckontros> scott-upsrairs: I say that we at least copy our current functionality. Unless *-menu was removed last

• cycle.

13:34 < ckontros> ie: With the A/V submenus. 13:35 < scott-upstairs> defintely copy our current functionality for now 13:35 < scott-upstairs> let's get some of the larger issues under our belt and then see about the restructuring 13:35 -!- Epirotes [~Epirotes@unaffiliated/epirotes] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 13:35 < ckontros> +1 13:35 < scott-upstairs> we still ahve to migrate to xfce 13:35 < scott-upstairs> THAT will probably be a bigger challenge than any realizes still 13:35 < falktx> does the US theme works on xcfe? 13:36 < ckontros> falktx: Generally, yes. I have to make a XFWM theme. And thats in progress. 13:37 < ckontros> Feel free to move to next item. 13:37 < scott-upstairs> hmmm, no ailo 13:37 < scott-upstairs> holstein, can ckontros do his bit? 13:37 < holstein> yeah, thats up 13:37 < ckontros> Wait, wait. Im not presenting. 13:37 < ckontros> I had no plans to anyway. 13:38 -!- bartje_ [510bba89@gateway/web/freenode/ip.81.11.186.137] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:38 < holstein> ckontros: you want to just give an update? 13:38 < holstein> or drop some links? 13:38 < scott-upstairs> can you update about the xfce stuff and you mentioned banging heads together about a few things 13:38 < ckontros> Ill happily answer any questions. 13:38 < holstein> OK, that works 13:38 < holstein> any questions? 13:38 < holstein> Do we have a tentative date for new -settings/-look packages? 13:38 < ckontros> I mean things are gonna move better now that my uploading is sorted. 13:39 < scott-upstairs> yay 13:39 < ckontros> Im gonna shoot for 1 week for settings. 13:39 < holstein> Do you need help or testing? 13:39 < scott-upstairs> i guess we need to update the -desktop package first 13:39 < ckontros> -Look will be what it is untill I get some of the art folks settled. 13:39 < scott-upstairs> then -settings and -look ? 13:39 < ckontros> So -settings will have to hit then the seed changes. 13:40 < scott-upstairs> setting first? i would have thought we needed to update -desktop first 13:40 < scott-upstairs> wans't that what we were looking at earlier on pastebin? 13:40 < ckontros> No. Because -desktop is made from the seeds but will dep on *-settings. 13:40 < ckontros> IIRC 13:41 < scott-upstairs> this "chicken and/or egg" thing gets confusing sometimes :/ 13:41 < ckontros> 13:41 < holstein> ckontros: you need help/testing ? 13:41 < scott-upstairs> so hopefully before Alpha2 we should have something to test? 13:41 < ckontros> So we can get things ready in the seeds and -settings but they should push to the srchine @ the same time. 13:42 < ckontros> *Hopefully* But Im thinking things will be rocky for a month or so. 13:42 < scott-upstairs> i imagine we will need to make adjustments (possibly many as bugs are found) to the seeds and

• -settings

13:42 < scott-upstairs> ckontros, so the plan is replicate our current functionality as far as UI right? 13:42 < ckontros> Side note to all this, we can test upgrade paths but my official stance is new installs. 13:42 < scott-upstairs> after we get things stable, then we shoot for a new UI? 13:43 < ckontros> Correct 13:43 < scott-upstairs> cool to both 13:43 < holstein> ckontros: Is there a newer screenshot for the new UI prototype? 13:43 < ckontros> holstein: No. 13:43 < holstein> the other question from the agenda is Should we provide a option that looks like old UI? 13:43 < holstein> i say, if its not dirt-simple, no 13:43 < ckontros> I'll upgrade the wiki with new info soon but its slow going at this point. 13:43 < holstein> i dont think its going to be a giant departure in look/feel 13:44 < ckontros> +1 (to no that is) 13:44 < scott-upstairs> maybe someone can hack something in a ppa to help users BUT 13:44 < scott-upstairs> if we move to a new UI it should be default and we should push that 13:44 < holstein> yeah, something unoffical is welcome for sure 13:44 < ckontros> Well, it kinda will. Just AWN at the bottom as opposed the the panel across the top. But all functionality

• is replicated.

13:44 < holstein> [action] Should we provide a option that looks like old UI? - not officially 13:44 < MootBot> ACTION received: Should we provide a option that looks like old UI? - not officially 13:45 < falktx> I have to pop up again here, as I am developing a replacement for *-controls 13:45 < holstein> ckontros: cool, thanks 13:45 < ckontros> np 13:45 < falktx> it is meant for kxstudio mainly, but I'm working to get it nicely goind with others distros too 13:45 < holstein> [topic] Documentation Updates 13:45 < MootBot> New Topic: Documentation Updates 13:45 < scott-upstairs> holstein, can we break and address falktx 's comment first? 13:45 < holstein> scott-upstairs: you want to comment? ask for help officially? 13:46 < holstein> scott-upstairs: sure 13:46 < falktx> can I continue? 13:46 < scott-upstairs> falktx, what does the -controls update do? what functionality? 13:46 < scott-upstairs> sure falktx you da man! 13:46 < falktx> for now the controls don't do much, as everything is already working in kxstudio 13:46 * scott-upstairs has a strat and isn't afraid to play it 13:47 < falktx> but it checks for the kernel version and user/audio thing now 13:47 < scott-upstairs> faltx one thing we have tried to do with updating -controls is to author the app with the

• perspective of someone "updating" from vanilla ubuntu to ubuntu studio

13:47 < falktx> the more important thing about this app it's that it contain other cool sub-apps 13:47 < scott-upstairs> so this would include checking if user is in audio group currently 13:47 < falktx> a jack-patchbay, a-la patchage 13:47 < ckontros> falktx: How about we team up and refine -controls rather then have parallel efforts? 13:48 < falktx> ckontros: we have different targets 13:48 < ckontros> Like? 13:48 < falktx> ckontros: for example, It also works as a plugin host 13:48 < scott-upstairs> oi, it controls jackd, can start applciations 13:48 < falktx> it manages WineASIO too 13:48 < falktx> screenshots coming 13:48 < scott-upstairs> you can install plugins (or at least assign where to look for them) 13:48 < falktx> this is the main app: 13:49 < falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr002.jpeg 13:49 < MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr002.jpeg 13:49 < falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr003.jpeg 13:49 < MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr003.jpeg 13:49 < falktx> http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr004.jpeg 13:49 < MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr004.jpeg 13:49 < falktx> these are the 3 main tabs of it 13:49 < falktx> the first manages system stuff (jack, alsa bridge, a2j and pulse2jack too) 13:49 < ckontros> falktx: Well you mentioned "replacing" *-controls. SO if we have different targets, why replace? 13:50 < falktx> ckontros: cause I want to incorporate all *-controls functionality inside 13:50 < falktx> ckontros: once ready, I want to push it to debian too 13:50 < ckontros> Forgive me, Im just trying to understand how the targets are different. 13:50 < scott-upstairs> falktx, does it adjust jackd settings; rtprio, etc 13:50 -!- chilicuil [~chilicuil@unaffiliated/chilicuil] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:51 < falktx> scott-upstairs: it works with jackdbus right now. but I want to make it work with jackd too, soon 13:51 < falktx> ckontros: well, someone once told me that having WineASIO option in a US official tool was a bad tihng 13:52 < falktx> *thing 13:52 < scott-upstairs> ckontros, i think it is currently intended to target the kxstudio audience where many things we

• worry about are already configure by installation

13:52 < falktx> and that the "Audio Plugins PATH" management is also not very linux friendly 13:52 < scott-upstairs> and they target different applications, including vst, wineasio, and applications that falktx has

• written

13:52 < ckontros> falktx: Having the option for us would be no different than Debian. We just cant include the other

• packages by default.

13:52 < scott-upstairs> good work by the way 13:53 < falktx> thanks 13:53 < falktx> ckontros: I know, any non-working option can be hidden if needed 13:53 < falktx> for example, WineASIO stuff is auto-hidden if WineASIO is not installed 13:53 < holstein> maybe falktx and ckontros can discuss and report next meeting? 13:54 < holstein> sounds like something we could potentially take advantage of* 13:54 < scott-upstairs> +1 or until after we get a working install with xfce ? 13:54 < falktx> ckontros: I also target jack2 and ladish in partical (more focus to it), which I don't think US is ready for

• now

13:54 < ckontros> Sure. So, is this a situation where you just wanna do what you do and not work directly with us on our

• -controls app? I can get that. I just wanna be clear.

13:54 < holstein> [action] falktx and ckontros to discuss *-controls functionality and report 13:54 < MootBot> ACTION received: falktx and ckontros to discuss *-controls functionality and report 13:55 < falktx> ckontros: I can focus on the *-controls stuff if needed. but it's my own app, please understand 13:55 < falktx> I've been working on it since the last 4 months or more... 13:55 < holstein> as far as documentation updates, let me just action-item these entries 13:56 < holstein> [action] Documentation - Clarification: generally help.ubuntu.com is for users and wiki.ubuntu.com is for

• developement

13:56 < MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - Clarification: generally help.ubuntu.com is for users and wiki.ubuntu.com

• is for developement

13:56 -!- jjohansen [~jj@static-50-53-37-130.bvtn.or.frontiernet.net] has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:56 < scott-upstairs> i was hoping ailo would be here for the documentation part but i have a structure for the

• help.ubuntu.com section

13:56 < holstein> [action] Documentation - The plan is to reorganize the help.ubuntu.com documentation 13:56 < MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - The plan is to reorganize the help.ubuntu.com documentation 13:56 < ckontros> Ill let the meeting move on. And really, this isnt my call anyway as my involvement is for UI stuff and

• this cycle only.

13:57 -!- apachelogger is now known as kernellogger 13:57 < holstein> [action] Documentation We will be deprecating older pages, modifying current ones, and creating additional

• pages as needed

13:57 < MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation We will be deprecating older pages, modifying current ones, and creating

• additional pages as needed

13:57 < holstein> [action] Documentation - Is anyone else interested in assisting? 13:57 < MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - Is anyone else interested in assisting? 13:57 -!- sysdoc [~sysdoc@pool-71-105-36-163.lsanca.dsl-w.verizon.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:57 < scott-upstairs> here is the proposed structure, please ignore/forgive the link top:

• https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/IntroTutVideos

13:57 < holstein> [action] Documentation - ScottL would also like to work on wiki.ubuntu.com 13:57 < MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - ScottL would also like to work on wiki.ubuntu.com 13:58 -!- steveire_ [~quassel@kde/skelly] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 13:58 < holstein> scott-upstairs: i say, shout out when you need help, and feel free to assign me to said tasks 13:58 -!- vanhoof [vanhoof@canonical/vanhoof] has quit [Read error: Operation timed out] 13:58 -!- steveire [~quassel@kde/skelly] has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:59 < scott-upstairs> right, i'll confer with ailo later about this, but unless someone strenuously objects AND wants to

• put forth an alternative, i'm going forward soon

13:59 < holstein> [topic] New Applications 13:59 < MootBot> New Topic: New Applications 13:59 < scott-upstairs> the basic goal would to be to make this more untutivie and user friendly 13:59 < scott-upstairs> ^ documentation 13:59 < holstein> yeah, im plowing on 13:59 < holstein> 14:00 < holstein> [action] plugins - mda-lv2, eq10q, autotalent,invada-studio-plugins-lv2, vocproc, wah-plugins, foo-yc20,

• amb-plugins, dssi-vst, lv2vocoder, omins

14:00 < MootBot> ACTION received: plugins - mda-lv2, eq10q, autotalent,invada-studio-plugins-lv2, vocproc, wah-plugins,

• foo-yc20, amb-plugins, dssi-vst, lv2vocoder, omins

14:00 < scott-upstairs> there are several new apps i would like to include and they support things 14:00 < scott-upstairs> oh, you posted it 14:00 < scott-upstairs> is that really an action? 14:00 < holstein> [action] ladish - ladish, gladish, ladi-tools 14:00 < MootBot> ACTION received: ladish - ladish, gladish, ladi-tools 14:00 < falktx> is ladish on 11.10 now ? 14:00 < scott-upstairs> i would like for us to move to ladish as well unless someone objects 14:00 < holstein> depends on if they are being added i suppose 14:00 < scott-upstairs> yes falktx 14:00 < falktx> cool 14:00 < scott-upstairs> they are in debian and ubuntu now 14:00 < holstein> more of a highlight than an action 14:01 < falktx> I have one thing that might interest you all right now 14:01 < holstein> [action] mudita24 - envy24control update, trying to get into Debian in time for Oneiric 14:01 < MootBot> ACTION received: mudita24 - envy24control update, trying to get into Debian in time for Oneiric 14:01 < scott-upstairs> functionality is still sketchy from my experience but i expect it to get better 14:01 < scott-upstairs> what is that falktx ? 14:01 < falktx> take a look please - http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr005.jpeg 14:01 * scott-upstairs will talk about mudita in a minute 14:01 < scott-upstairs> can you explain the functionality falktx ? 14:02 < falktx> sure 14:02 < falktx> it checks for the current installed packages (not binaries), and displays them 14:02 < falktx> the list is hardcoded 14:02 < scott-upstairs> it seems that it duplicates some of the functionality of ladish however 14:02 < falktx> ^ because of this, we can know where docs are installed 14:02 < falktx> this way we can select an app and click "documentation" 14:03 < falktx> we can always create like "US-docs" package and point to it too 14:03 < falktx> this app also helps ladish, by providing pre-setup templates for many apps 14:03 < falktx> (anyone here knows about ladish internals?) 14:03 < scott-upstairs> falktx, i know some, can we discuss this together after the meeting? 14:04 < falktx> scott-upstairs: sure 14:04 < falktx> this can help the menu situation of menus too 14:04 < scott-upstairs> thanks, i fear other's eyes will glaze over otherwise and we're behind on the meeting 14:04 < falktx> instead of putting into the menu, let the app look for it and display it 14:04 < falktx> oh, sorry 14:04 < holstein> ok, moving on 14:04 < holstein> ? 14:04 < scott-upstairs> mudita24 is the next version of envy24control which is for ice1712 chips (i.e. maudio delta series) 14:05 < scott-upstairs> i'm hoping it goes into debian soon and then i'll file to sync with ubuntu if it isn't in time for

• debianimport

14:05 < scott-upstairs> okay, done 14:05 < holstein> [topic] Testing Procedures 14:05 < MootBot> New Topic: Testing Procedures 14:05 -!- acerimmer [4086883e@gateway/web/freenode/ip.64.134.136.62] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 14:05 < holstein> i dont think we have anything official to test 14:05 < holstein> so i say we hold that til next time 14:06 * falktx looks in debian git 14:06 < falktx> not there 14:06 < scott-upstairs> right but it would be nice to have someone who will oversee testing 14:06 < holstein> i was going to ask ailo :/ 14:06 < scott-upstairs> falktx, http://packages.debian.org/unstable/main/ladish 14:06 < holstein> he's really methodical about the tests we have done so far 14:06 < scott-upstairs> but he's really only been testing the kernel 14:06 < scott-upstairs> i really wanted someone to oversee all of it 14:07 < holstein> right, i was going to ask though 14:07 < scott-upstairs> remind people to test when builds come out 14:07 < scott-upstairs> develop testing procedures 14:07 < scott-upstairs> etc 14:07 < holstein> yeah, we need that* 14:07 -!- leoquant [~leoquant@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.leoquant] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 14:07 < holstein> hmmm... 14:07 < scott-upstairs> astraljava, you interested perhaps in helping with this? 14:07 < holstein> astraljava: ? 14:07 < holstein> hehe 14:07 -!- leoquant [~leoquant@ubuntu/member/pdpc.supporter.active.leoquant] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] 14:07 < astraljava> scott-upstairs: Sure, why not. I'm not really a tester per se, but that's something I can do for

• contributing.

14:07 < scott-upstairs> *anything* is better than what we have currently 14:08 < scott-upstairs> astraljava, you can also look into the xubuntu testing process, they ahve some good stuff 14:08 < holstein> astraljava: cool 14:08 < scott-upstairs> i'll find the link for you later 14:08 < astraljava> Okay, that works for me. 14:08 < holstein> [action] astraljava to head up testing 14:08 < MootBot> ACTION received: astraljava to head up testing 14:08 < holstein> OK, moving on? 14:08 < scott-upstairs> sure 14:08 < holstein> [topic] Libre Graphics Magazine Ad 14:08 < MootBot> New Topic: Libre Graphics Magazine Ad 14:09 < holstein> scott-upstairs: this sounds really cool 14:09 < scott-upstairs> we have graciously been afforded a free full page ad in libre graphics magazine 14:09 < scott-upstairs> i would like to captilize on this ad for the changes in oneiric 14:09 < scott-upstairs> we have several months till then 14:09 < holstein> is there a way to make it generic? 14:10 < scott-upstairs> is anyone interesting in hellping with brainstorming, developing idea, and effecting the ad 14:10 < holstein> o/ 14:10 < scott-upstairs> holstein, do you think it should be more generic? 14:10 * holstein shrugs 14:10 < holstein> doesnt have to be 14:10 < scott-upstairs> my original thoughts were to celebrate our changes/improvements 14:10 < holstein> yeah, i can get on board with that 14:10 < scott-upstairs> to sell them as "better", which i think they are 14:10 -!- lostnbronx [~lostnbron@74-37-171-107.br1.sho.az.frontiernet.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 14:11 < holstein> [action] holstein to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad 14:11 < MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad 14:11 < scott-upstairs> right, we can push this for further meetings and try to drum up support and develop things 14:11 < astraljava> I'm not into marketing and stuff, but I can help with technicals if needed. 14:11 < holstein> [action] holstein to get libre ad timetable information 14:11 < MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to get libre ad timetable information 14:12 < holstein> [action] astraljava to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad 14:12 < MootBot> ACTION received: astraljava to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad 14:12 < holstein> cool... moving on 14:12 < holstein> [topic] Advocacy ideas 14:12 < MootBot> New Topic: Advocacy ideas 14:12 < holstein> [action] start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update 14:13 < MootBot> ACTION received: start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update 14:13 < holstein> [action] holstein start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update 14:13 < MootBot> ACTION received: holstein start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update 14:13 < scott-upstairs> holstein, did you get that fedora marketing link? 14:13 < holstein> i want to have something folks can easlily link to to show folks 'the buzz' 14:13 < holstein> scott-upstairs: im not sure... would you link it again? 14:14 < holstein> so it gets counted 14:14 < holstein> i want a place where folks can add their personal blogs such as http://dullass.blogspot.com/ 14:14 < scott-upstairs> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing 14:14 < holstein> i think the xubuntu team has a lot going on in this department, and im looking forward to emulating 14:14 -!- Destine [~destine@ubuntu/member/Destine] has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:15 < holstein> [action] for marketing ideas see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing 14:15 < MootBot> ACTION received: for marketing ideas see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing 14:15 < holstein> not sure why that link didnt get counted* 14:15 < holstein> anyways.. moving on 14:16 < holstein> [topic] team reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports 14:16 < MootBot> New Topic: team reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports 14:16 < scott-upstairs> here is the link for team reports: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports 14:16 < scott-upstairs> it's not hard to do and this would be a great way for some newer person to help the team 14:16 < holstein> scott-upstairs: i can help with this too i think 14:16 < scott-upstairs> is anyone interested? 14:16 < scott-upstairs> holstein, that would be outstanding my friend! 14:16 < holstein> i used to do it a bit for our loco 14:17 < holstein> [action] holstein to help with team reports 14:17 < scott-upstairs> cool 14:17 < MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to help with team reports 14:17 < holstein> [topic] announcments - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule 14:17 < MootBot> New Topic: announcments - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule 14:17 < holstein> * LightDM will replace GDM in Oneiric Ocelot 14:18 < scott-upstairs> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule is the new schedule for oneiric proper 14:18 < holstein> scott-upstairs: anything else in announcements? 14:18 < scott-upstairs> and as holstein mentioned lightDM will be replacing GDM 14:18 < scott-upstairs> this will mean some significant changes and will require hacking and testing 14:18 < scott-upstairs> that's it for me 14:18 < holstein> [topic] Any Other Business - OPEN 14:18 < MootBot> New Topic: Any Other Business - OPEN 14:18 < astraljava> Which means we should have it in for alpha2, no? 14:19 < scott-upstairs> okay, gotta run, kids are getting nuts downstairs and i need to help :/ 14:19 < holstein> astraljava: i would think 14:19 < scott-upstairs> astraljava, it will be ready to test after we update the seeds/-settings package 14:19 < holstein> we'll keep an eye on the updates as they come in though 14:19 < astraljava> scott-upstairs: Gotcha. 14:19 < holstein> anyone else?? 14:19 < scott-upstairs> by the way, i'll post minutes on this later this week 14:19 < holstein> questions, comments? 14:19 < astraljava> On other business, I intend to look into tasks. 14:19 < astraljava> ubuntustudio-desktop doesn't work for natty, nor oneiric. 14:20 < astraljava> Not sure about earlier than that. 14:20 < holstein> astraljava: i didnt try them actually 14:20 < holstein> if you want, i'll help track that down sometime 14:20 < astraljava> holstein: I'm afraid no one did. 14:21 < holstein> if its an issue of testing, and looking at a log, i can do that 14:21 < holstein> last time i tried was 10.04 14:21 < holstein> anyways... onward and upward i say 14:21 < holstein> astraljava: lets try and make sure we look at that in 11.10 14:22 < holstein> anyways... if thats all.. 14:23 < holstein> [topic] next meeting - July 3rd 17:00 UTC - in #ubuntu-meeting unless otherwise noted 14:23 < MootBot> New Topic: next meeting - July 3rd 17:00 UTC - in #ubuntu-meeting unless otherwise noted 14:23 < holstein> [topic] next meeting chair 14:23 < MootBot> New Topic: next meeting chair 14:23 < holstein> i dont mind to do it again, assuming im free* 14:23 < holstein> anyone else interested? 14:24 < holstein> [action] holstein to chair the next meeting - unless otherwise noted 14:24 < MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to chair the next meeting - unless otherwise noted 14:24 < holstein> #endmeeting 14:24 < MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:26.

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13:00 -!- Irssi: Starting query in freenode with MootBot 13:00 <MootBot> Meeting started at 12:02. The chair is holstein. 13:01 <MootBot> New Topic: agenda https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Meetings/2011June5 13:05 <MootBot> New Topic: old buisness 13:07 <MootBot> New Topic: Oneiric Timeline https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline 13:08 <MootBot> ACTION received: review the timeline at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/Oneiric/Timeline and

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13:11 <MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to re-order the timeline chronologically 13:12 <MootBot> New Topic: Website Update 13:17 <MootBot> ACTION received: scott-upstairs to research alternative hosting plans 13:20 <MootBot> ACTION received: vote next meeting about where the new site will be hosted 13:21 <MootBot> New Topic: Menu changes 13:26 <MootBot> Please vote on: hold menu re-vamp til next cycle. 13:28 <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 4 13:28 <MootBot> ACTION received: postpone menu revamp til next cycle (12.04) 13:28 <MootBot> New Topic: XFCE/UI Changes 13:29 <MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr001.jpeg 13:44 <MootBot> ACTION received: Should we provide a option that looks like old UI? - not officially 13:45 <MootBot> New Topic: Documentation Updates 13:49 <MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr002.jpeg 13:49 <MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr003.jpeg 13:49 <MootBot> LINK received: http://kxstudio.sourceforge.net/tmp/scr004.jpeg 13:54 <MootBot> ACTION received: falktx and ckontros to discuss *-controls functionality and report 13:56 <MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - Clarification: generally help.ubuntu.com is for users and wiki.ubuntu.com

• is for developement

13:56 <MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - The plan is to reorganize the help.ubuntu.com documentation 13:57 <MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation We will be deprecating older pages, modifying current ones, and creating

• additional pages as needed

13:57 <MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - Is anyone else interested in assisting? 13:57 <MootBot> ACTION received: Documentation - ScottL would also like to work on wiki.ubuntu.com 13:59 <MootBot> New Topic: New Applications 14:00 <MootBot> ACTION received: plugins - mda-lv2, eq10q, autotalent,invada-studio-plugins-lv2, vocproc, wah-plugins,

• foo-yc20, amb-plugins, dssi-vst, lv2vocoder, omins

14:00 <MootBot> ACTION received: ladish - ladish, gladish, ladi-tools 14:01 <MootBot> ACTION received: mudita24 - envy24control update, trying to get into Debian in time for Oneiric 14:05 <MootBot> New Topic: Testing Procedures 14:08 <MootBot> ACTION received: astraljava to head up testing 14:08 <MootBot> New Topic: Libre Graphics Magazine Ad 14:11 <MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad 14:11 <MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to get libre ad timetable information 14:12 <MootBot> ACTION received: astraljava to help scott-upstairs with brainstorming for the libre graphics ad 14:12 <MootBot> New Topic: Advocacy ideas 14:13 <MootBot> ACTION received: start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update 14:13 <MootBot> ACTION received: holstein start or find the current ubuntustudio advocacy wiki and update 14:15 <MootBot> ACTION received: for marketing ideas see https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Marketing 14:16 <MootBot> New Topic: team reports https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/TeamReports 14:17 <MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to help with team reports 14:17 <MootBot> New Topic: announcments - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/OneiricReleaseSchedule 14:18 <MootBot> New Topic: Any Other Business - OPEN 14:23 <MootBot> New Topic: next meeting - July 3rd 17:00 UTC - in #ubuntu-meeting unless otherwise noted 14:23 <MootBot> New Topic: next meeting chair 14:24 <MootBot> ACTION received: holstein to chair the next meeting - unless otherwise noted 14:24 <MootBot> Meeting finished at 13:26. 14:24 <MootBot> Logs available at http://www.novarata.net/mootbot/