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This is a page that will explain how developers can notify other developers of
small things, such as upcoming transitions, new tools, changes in practice, where
the item doesn't warrant a mail to ubuntu-devel-announce on its own. The items
will be collected and sent on to the announce list every so often. This is inspired
by Debian's DeveloperNews service that does just this.

The items will come from various fora, notably direct submission, and being picked
up from mailing lists and IRC. Anyone is free to submit an item, and everyone is
encouraged to pass along things from other channels that they think would be
appropriate.

The aim would be to aid people in keeping up with Ubuntu development when they do
not follow every source of information slavishly. The wiki page would also serve
as an archive so that if someone takes a break from development they can use this
page as a starting point when trying to catch up with the changes.

There are competing proposals for how this process should work, so until that is
decided this page will document the proposals and provide a place for discussion
of how this will work.

The way to proceed will be decided by looking at the comments on this page at the
next MOTU meeting, on the 28th Nov 2008.

== Proposal 1: collect items on the wiki page ==

This proposal follows that of Debian's [[http://wiki.debian.org/DeveloperNews|DeveloperNews]].

This wiki page would be the place to collect the items. They would then be sent on
when there were a few outstanding, or some amount of time had passed since the last
mail.

Anyone would be encouraged to submit items by adding the text to the page, and anyone
could send the mail when needed.

The wiki page would naturally form an archive of old items for people to easily browse.

== Proposal 2: Use the ubuntu-news-team mailing list ==

As we already have a news team interested in collecting news items and sending them out
we could re-use their list and simply send out two mails, splitting based on interest.

This would mean that the news team could pick up things of wider interest without
someone passing them on, or the news team monitoring another source of information.

It would also make it easy to know where to send things, rather than having to decide
on the potential audience first. It also does not fragment things.

It does however require a different sort of monitoring, as we need interested developers
to subscribe to that list and to note the items of interest. It also means it is harder
to share the workload of sending the mails, as finding the list of outstanding items is
more work.

It is also an extra step update the wiki page to keep an archive, but perhaps that is
not needed as the ubuntu-devel-announce mailing list has an archive already.

== Comments ==

Please add your feedback here.
= Developer News =

== Concept ==

There are occasions when something would be of interest to
a large portion of the development community, but is not worth
a post to ubuntu-devel-announce@. For these cases you are invited
to mail the Ubuntu news team with the item. These will then be
collected and sent out to ubuntu-devel-announce@ in batches when
there are enough to warrant it.

If the item is of wider interest to the Ubuntu community then the
news team will take it and may use it in something like the
UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter.

== Items of interest ==

  * Upcoming or completed transitions, major new versions or new packages in the archive.
  * Success at things like triaging all bugs for a particular set of packages, or fixing all build failures on an architecture.
  * Availability of a new tool in ubuntu-dev-tools that may save people some time.
  * Summaries of mailing list discussions.
  * Events in Debian that may be of interest.

== Submitting an item ==

  * Write a draft of the item. Typically it will be 1-3 paragraphs with links for more information. It doesn't have to be perfect.
  * Send the item to ubuntu-news-team@lists.ubuntu.com starting the subject with "[Developer]". The list is moderated for non-subscribers. The list is low traffic, and subscribing would allow you to help with the next section.
  * Maybe work with the editors to provide some more information or clarify some things.
  * If the item is time sensitive then you can state this, but in that case it may be best to send it yourself.

== Aggregating items ==

  * Take the items that have been received since the last mail went out and pull them in to one mail using the template below.
  * Send out the mail to ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com
  * Add the items to the top of the archive at the bottom of this page.

More people are needed to help with this task. Subscribe to the ubuntu-news-team list and keep an eye on articles. When there are 4 or 5 outstanding then do the above.

If there are not enough submissions to do at least one a month then we either need to encourage more submissions or do more newsworthy things.

== Template ==
{{{
Subject: Ubuntu Developer News Issue <x>

Welcome to Ubuntu Developer News issue number <x>. For past items or
to submit your own please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/News.
In this issue we have

  * Title
  * Title
...

Title
-----

  Item...

  Links...

Title
-----

  Item...

  Links...

...
}}}

== Archive ==

=== Issue 2 ===
Welcome to the second edition of Ubuntu Developer News.
For past items or to submit your own please see
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/News
More submissions for the developer news would be very much appreciated.

In this issue we have

  * Karmic Koala Announced
  * Jaunty Feature Freeze
  * Removal of aRts
  * Packaging large Java stacks

Karmic Koala Announced
----------------------

  If you haven't been under a rock for the past few days, you would have heard or
  seen the announcement for Ubuntu 9.10 - Karmic Koala

  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000536.html

Jaunty Feature Freeze
---------------------

  Steve Langasek announced the Jaunty feature freeze[0] for Thursday 19th February 2009.
  MOTU-release have also delegated various authority for certain areas.

 * Kubuntu: Jonathan Riddell (Riddell)
 * Mythbuntu: Mario Limonciello (superm1)
 * Xubuntu: Cody Sommerville (cody-sommerville)
 * Mozilla Team: Alexander Sack (asac)
 * Ubuntu Studio:
   Luis de Bethencourt Guimerá (luisbg)
   Cory Kontros (_MMA_)
 * Ubuntu Destkop: Sebastien Bacher (seb128)
 * Ubuntu Netbook, Ubuntu MID: Steve Kowalik (StevenK)
 * Ubuntu Server: Scott Kitterman (ScottK)
 * Edubuntu: Jordan Mantha (LaserJock)

  If you need a freeze exception for a universe package that falls into one of
  these categories, you can coordinate directly with the respective delegates,
  there is no need to subscribe motu-release.

  Please see this wiki page for full details on freeze exception requests[1]

 
  [0]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FeatureFreeze

  [1]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FreezeExceptionProcess

  
  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000533.html

Removal of aRts
---------------
  
  aRts is (was) the sound system for KDE3. Since the release of KDE4 aRts is no longer
  maintained upstream. There are no KDE4 packages that require aRts. Since we no longer
  provide a KDE3 desktop in jaunty there is no requirement for aRts.

  All packages that depend on aRts or one of it's libraries needs to be recompiled without
  aRts support. There is a list of affected packages along with further instructions here:
  https://wiki.kubuntu.org/RemoveArts

  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027310.html

Packaging large Java stacks
---------------------------

  An interesting discussion around the packaging of large Java stacks was raised by Thierry Carrez

  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027272.html

[RFC] apturl repository whitelist application process
-----------------------------------------------------

  Alexander Sack raised an RFC regarding the process that defines how third party
  repositories can apply for apturl whitelisting and how we can ensure that such repositories are
  of high maintenance quality

  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027355.html

Pulseaudio: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027333.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027433.html
Kernel compiler mismatches: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027366.html
ondemand: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027379.html
hwclock: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027384.html
New installer features: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027398.html
Per-package uploaders: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027427.html
python2.6: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027439.html
sugar: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2009-February/002783.html
Kernel SRU: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2009-February/004322.html
Kubuntu ports: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-February/002655.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-February/002673.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-February/002676.html
drdb8: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2009-January/002594.html
mysql/amarok: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2009-January/002588.html
studio in jaunty: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2009-February/001450.html

New REVU Coordinator
--------------------

  Nathan Handler has taken over Siegfried Gevatter's (RainCT) role of REVU Coordinator.
  There were also some suggestions on how to make the REVU process quicker for new packages.
  
  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2009-January/005261.html

Brainstorm for packaging requests?
----------------------------------

  Brian Murry pointed out the specification https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Specs/NeedsPackagingBugs
 
  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2009-January/005301.html

Reinhard Tartler (siretart) resigns as MOTU Launchpad Liason
------------------------------------------------------------

  William Grant (wgrant) and Morten Kjeldgaard (mok0) will share the duties.
  The Launchpad Liason provides Launchpad developers with prioritized
  bugs/specs relevant to MOTU and MOTU with information on Launchpad
  changes and progress.
  
  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2009-February/005371.html

REVU gets Filtering and Tags
----------------------------
  Tags can be formed by alphanumeric characters and dashes ("-"), and both
  Reviewers (ie, MOTUs) and Moderators can change the tags assigned to source
  packages. Any name can be used as a tag, but the idea is that there will be
  a few "official" ones used as part of the normal workflow.

  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2009-February/005466.html


Tools
-----

apport-collect: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000535.html
ubuntu-qa-tools: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2009-February/000375.html
upstream tasks: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2009-February/001292.html

Developer Changes
-----------------

  * Nick Ellery (nellery) became an Ubuntu Contributing Developer in recognition of the work he has put in to help Ubuntu development. He has been very active merging packages from Debian in the Jaunty cycle.
  * Didier Roche (didrocks) joined the MOTU team, thanks to his great contributions to the desktop team and other activities.
  * Christophe Sauthier (huats) was the second person from France to become a MOTU at the first MOTU Council membership IRC meeting. Christophe has also been very active on the desktop team, and is currently the leader of the MOTU mentoring reception.
  * At the same meeting Iain Lane (Laney) was also accepted as a MOTU, thanks to his sterling work in many areas.
  * Alessio Treglia (quadrispro) was the last person to become a MOTU through the old membership process. After contributing a lot of work in the Jaunty cycle he was deemed ready to become a MOTU.

  * Nicolas Valcarcel (nxvl) steps down from MOTU-SRU
    https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2009-January/005255.html
  * Iulian Udrea accepted as a MOTU Release Member
    https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2009-February/005398.html
  * Nathan Handler accepted as a MOTU Release Member
    https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/motu-council/2009-February/002029.html


Meeting minutes/Weekly reports
------------------------------

 * Technical Board
   - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027287.html
   - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027415.html

 * Server Team
   - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027288.html
   - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027332.html
   - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027347.html
   - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027419.html

 * Desktop Team
   - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027289.html
   - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-desktop/2009-February/001954.html

 * Foundations Team
   - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027324.html
   - https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027428.html


=== Issue 1 ===

Welcome to the first edition of Ubuntu Developer News (a.k.a the
Keybuk-repeater). For past items or to submit your own please see
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/News
More submissions for the developer news would be very much appreciated.

In this issue we have

  * Jaunty Developer Week logs available
  * Colin Watson elected to the Technical Board
  * Package bug reporting guidelines in launchpad
  * Testing Days
  * New D-Bus Uploaded
  * Launchpadlib support in ubuntu-dev-tools
  * The removal of /dev/.static/dev
  * udevadm, and why you should stop what you're doing
  * Developer changes


Jaunty Developer Week logs available
------------------------------------

  The Developer Week for Jaunty is almost over, and there have been many great
  sessions. Logs of all sessions have been kept and they are appearing on the
  wiki as they are processed. They can provide a useful resource on the topics
  covered.

  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek


Colin Watson elected to the Technical Board
-------------------------------------------

  Colin Watson became the newest member of the Technical Board. Developers
  voted in a poll with a choice between him and Kees Cook.

  https://edge.launchpad.net/~ubuntu-dev/+poll/2009-01-tb-nominees


Package bug reporting guidelines in Launchpad
---------------------------------------------

  Brian Murray recently reported that Launchpad now supports package bug reporting
  guidelines, which can help users to file better bug reports by giving them specific
  instructions for a particular package. He outlined the method by which they will
  be updated.

  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027206.html


Testing Days
------------

  Ara Pulido explained that the QA team are planning to do Testing Days for new features
  in Jaunty, so that the new code is tested before it is announced as a new feature
  at release.

  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027159.html


New D-Bus Uploaded
------------------

  Scott James Remnant announced changes to dbus in order to to fix a security
  problem. This change may impact any package that ships a dbus service, and
  may cause them to stop working if their service configuration is incorrect,
  though an attempt was made to audit services to avoid this.

  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027220.html


Launchpadlib support in ubuntu-dev-tools
----------------------------------------

  Markus Korn and Jonathan Davies worked on integrating launchpadlib in to
  ubuntu-dev-tools to provide more robust access to Launchpad. It uses
  different credentials to the current ubuntu-dev-tools, so you will be
  required to generate new credentials. A new tools was also included to
  make managing these credentials easier. Work is ongoing to transition all
  of ubuntu-dev-tools to use launchpadlib.

  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027186.html


The removal of /dev/.static/dev
-------------------------------

  Scott James Remnant explained where /dev/.static/dev went, and what the
  replacement is. If you relied on access to the static /dev then you should
  read his post for how to make udev do what you need instead.

  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027184.html


udevadm, and why you should stop what you're doing
--------------------------------------------------

  Scott James Remnant (yes, him again) explained some of the misuses of
  udevadm, and how to achieve the desired effect without abusing udev.
  If you know of a package that calls udevadm in its maintainer scripts
  then you should update it according to the instructions in Scott's post.

  https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027260.html


Developer Changes
-----------------

  * Dustin Kirkland (kirkland) became a core-dev after his impressive work, mainly in
    the server team.
  * Stéphane Graber (stgraber) gained upload rights for the LTSP packages in main after
    being the de-facto maintainer for a long time and recently becoming a
    MOTU.
  * Thierry Carrez (Koon) became a MOTU after a few months working in the server and
    Java teams.
  * Iulian Udrea (iulian) after sustained and varied contributions to the MOTU team.

Developer News

Concept

There are occasions when something would be of interest to a large portion of the development community, but is not worth a post to ubuntu-devel-announce@. For these cases you are invited to mail the Ubuntu news team with the item. These will then be collected and sent out to ubuntu-devel-announce@ in batches when there are enough to warrant it.

If the item is of wider interest to the Ubuntu community then the news team will take it and may use it in something like the UbuntuWeeklyNewsletter.

Items of interest

  • Upcoming or completed transitions, major new versions or new packages in the archive.
  • Success at things like triaging all bugs for a particular set of packages, or fixing all build failures on an architecture.
  • Availability of a new tool in ubuntu-dev-tools that may save people some time.
  • Summaries of mailing list discussions.
  • Events in Debian that may be of interest.

Submitting an item

  • Write a draft of the item. Typically it will be 1-3 paragraphs with links for more information. It doesn't have to be perfect.
  • Send the item to ubuntu-news-team@lists.ubuntu.com starting the subject with "[Developer]". The list is moderated for non-subscribers. The list is low traffic, and subscribing would allow you to help with the next section.

  • Maybe work with the editors to provide some more information or clarify some things.
  • If the item is time sensitive then you can state this, but in that case it may be best to send it yourself.

Aggregating items

  • Take the items that have been received since the last mail went out and pull them in to one mail using the template below.
  • Send out the mail to ubuntu-devel-announce@lists.ubuntu.com

  • Add the items to the top of the archive at the bottom of this page.

More people are needed to help with this task. Subscribe to the ubuntu-news-team list and keep an eye on articles. When there are 4 or 5 outstanding then do the above.

If there are not enough submissions to do at least one a month then we either need to encourage more submissions or do more newsworthy things.

Template

Subject: Ubuntu Developer News Issue <x>

Welcome to Ubuntu Developer News issue number <x>. For past items or
to submit your own please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/News.
In this issue we have

  * Title
  * Title
...

Title
-----

  Item...

  Links...

Title
-----

  Item...

  Links...

...

Archive

Issue 2

Welcome to the second edition of Ubuntu Developer News. For past items or to submit your own please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/News More submissions for the developer news would be very much appreciated.

In this issue we have

  • Karmic Koala Announced
  • Jaunty Feature Freeze
  • Removal of aRts
  • Packaging large Java stacks

Karmic Koala Announced


Jaunty Feature Freeze


  • Steve Langasek announced the Jaunty feature freeze[0] for Thursday 19th February 2009. MOTU-release have also delegated various authority for certain areas.

Removal of aRts


Packaging large Java stacks


[RFC] apturl repository whitelist application process


Pulseaudio: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027333.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027433.html Kernel compiler mismatches: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027366.html ondemand: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027379.html hwclock: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027384.html New installer features: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027398.html Per-package uploaders: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027427.html python2.6: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-February/027439.html sugar: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/edubuntu-devel/2009-February/002783.html Kernel SRU: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kernel-team/2009-February/004322.html Kubuntu ports: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-February/002655.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-February/002673.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/kubuntu-devel/2009-February/002676.html drdb8: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2009-January/002594.html mysql/amarok: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-server/2009-January/002588.html studio in jaunty: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2009-February/001450.html

New REVU Coordinator


Brainstorm for packaging requests?


Reinhard Tartler (siretart) resigns as MOTU Launchpad Liason


REVU gets Filtering and Tags


  • Tags can be formed by alphanumeric characters and dashes ("-"), and both Reviewers (ie, MOTUs) and Moderators can change the tags assigned to source packages. Any name can be used as a tag, but the idea is that there will be a few "official" ones used as part of the normal workflow.

    https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-motu/2009-February/005466.html

Tools


apport-collect: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-announce/2009-February/000535.html ubuntu-qa-tools: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-qa/2009-February/000375.html upstream tasks: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-bugsquad/2009-February/001292.html

Developer Changes


  • Nick Ellery (nellery) became an Ubuntu Contributing Developer in recognition of the work he has put in to help Ubuntu development. He has been very active merging packages from Debian in the Jaunty cycle.
  • Didier Roche (didrocks) joined the MOTU team, thanks to his great contributions to the desktop team and other activities.
  • Christophe Sauthier (huats) was the second person from France to become a MOTU at the first MOTU Council membership IRC meeting. Christophe has also been very active on the desktop team, and is currently the leader of the MOTU mentoring reception.
  • At the same meeting Iain Lane (Laney) was also accepted as a MOTU, thanks to his sterling work in many areas.
  • Alessio Treglia (quadrispro) was the last person to become a MOTU through the old membership process. After contributing a lot of work in the Jaunty cycle he was deemed ready to become a MOTU.
  • Nicolas Valcarcel (nxvl) steps down from MOTU-SRU
  • Iulian Udrea accepted as a MOTU Release Member
  • Nathan Handler accepted as a MOTU Release Member

Meeting minutes/Weekly reports


Issue 1

Welcome to the first edition of Ubuntu Developer News (a.k.a the Keybuk-repeater). For past items or to submit your own please see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDevelopment/News More submissions for the developer news would be very much appreciated.

In this issue we have

  • Jaunty Developer Week logs available
  • Colin Watson elected to the Technical Board
  • Package bug reporting guidelines in launchpad
  • Testing Days
  • New D-Bus Uploaded
  • Launchpadlib support in ubuntu-dev-tools
  • The removal of /dev/.static/dev
  • udevadm, and why you should stop what you're doing
  • Developer changes

Jaunty Developer Week logs available


  • The Developer Week for Jaunty is almost over, and there have been many great sessions. Logs of all sessions have been kept and they are appearing on the wiki as they are processed. They can provide a useful resource on the topics covered.

    https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuDeveloperWeek

Colin Watson elected to the Technical Board


Package bug reporting guidelines in Launchpad


Testing Days


New D-Bus Uploaded


  • Scott James Remnant announced changes to dbus in order to to fix a security problem. This change may impact any package that ships a dbus service, and may cause them to stop working if their service configuration is incorrect, though an attempt was made to audit services to avoid this.

    https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027220.html

Launchpadlib support in ubuntu-dev-tools


  • Markus Korn and Jonathan Davies worked on integrating launchpadlib in to ubuntu-dev-tools to provide more robust access to Launchpad. It uses different credentials to the current ubuntu-dev-tools, so you will be required to generate new credentials. A new tools was also included to make managing these credentials easier. Work is ongoing to transition all of ubuntu-dev-tools to use launchpadlib.

    https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel/2009-January/027186.html

The removal of /dev/.static/dev


udevadm, and why you should stop what you're doing


Developer Changes


  • Dustin Kirkland (kirkland) became a core-dev after his impressive work, mainly in
    • the server team.
  • Stéphane Graber (stgraber) gained upload rights for the LTSP packages in main after
    • being the de-facto maintainer for a long time and recently becoming a MOTU.
  • Thierry Carrez (Koon) became a MOTU after a few months working in the server and
    • Java teams.
  • Iulian Udrea (iulian) after sustained and varied contributions to the MOTU team.

UbuntuDevelopment/News (last edited 2011-11-21 11:02:24 by dholbach)