(17:58:54) The topic for #ubuntu-training is: http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Training, next meeting 2008-02-21
(17:59:18) billycin1: Belinda Lopez: hi there
(18:00:20) Belinda Lopez: billycin1: howdy - a bit under the weather this morning - bad headache :(
(18:00:34) billycin1: Belinda Lopez: too much alcohol ?
(18:00:52) Belinda Lopez: billycin1: Ha!  I wish!
(18:01:05) billycin1: Belinda Lopez: in that case - you have my sympathy ;)
(18:01:17) billycin1: ok folks, we'll get started
(18:01:26) Belinda Lopez: literally is the weather, cold front moving through drops the pressure in my head, I"m a human barometer
(18:01:32) billycin1: first of all I need to apologise in case i drop out of te meeting
(18:01:43) billycin1: my internet connection has been dodgy for the past couple of days
(18:01:53) billycin1: so if i do disappear, tetet will take over
(18:02:00) billycin1: agenda items:
(18:02:07) billycin1: 1. 8.04 updates
(18:02:26) billycin1: 2. Increasing ubuntu training community involvement
(18:02:48) billycin1: 3. Thoughts about how we can work with the doc team and perhaps do soemthing at UDS
(18:03:05) billycin1: 4. restructuring the bi-weekly meetings (thoughts)
(18:03:13) billycin1: anybody want to raise aything else?
(18:03:23) billycin1: nope?
(18:03:29) Belinda Lopez: sounds good
(18:03:34) billycin1: ok, so i will hand over to tetet
(18:03:44) billycin1: to talk about 8.04 updates and his cunning plans
(18:03:48) Alucard: Prof.: I hv using 8.04 in my VBox,but i got big problem in it, that cant start X...
(18:04:09) billycin1: tetet: you there?
(18:04:24) TeTeT: billycin1: yes
(18:04:26) Alucard: Prof.: well,i waiting for ver. alpha 5
(18:04:39) TeTeT: on the update for 8.04
(18:04:41) billycin1: Alucard: not really the right place to discuss
(18:04:58) billycin1: tetet: yes
(18:05:01) Alucard: prof.: sorry~
(18:05:03) TeTeT: once ubuntu-desktop-course is branched from ubuntu-desktop-course-beta
(18:05:27) TeTeT: the ubuntu-desktop-course-beta branch will be used for the upadte
(18:05:29) billycina left the room (quit: Read error: 110 (Connection timed out)).
(18:05:30) TeTeT: update
(18:05:57) TeTeT: we plan to use the series capability of Launchpad for the different Ubuntu versions
(18:06:21) Belinda Lopez: okay, so the beta will always be the "in progress" and course will be the stable?
(18:06:31) TeTeT: once ubuntu-desktop-course-beta is becoming the designated development focus for 8.04, we would like to start with filing bugs against it
(18:06:49) TeTeT: dinda: yes, that's the plan: ubuntu-desktop-course is mature and effectively frozen
(18:07:15) TeTeT: for the 8.04 update, we first need to identify the different chapters and sections that need rework
(18:07:21) Alucard: Prof. TeTeT: when will start this course?
(18:07:50) TeTeT: Alucard: we plan to do this before the next meeting
(18:08:09) TeTeT: based on the Hardy alpha and beta release we can identify the areas in need of update
(18:08:12) Alucard: Prof. TeTeT: NZ, got it
(18:08:41) TeTeT: text can be updated first, screenshots when Hardy is stable enough, most likely upon release date
(18:08:50) TeTeT: that's it for the 8.04 update plan, any questions or suggestions?
(18:09:13) billycin1: tetet: i would like to be in a position where we start assigning updates
(18:09:16) Belinda Lopez: Tetet: so translations will still be ongoing on the desktop course, frozen version?
(18:09:30) billycin1: tetet: as in, who is looking at which chapters
(18:09:32) TeTeT: dinda: yes
(18:09:55) Romagnolo-ithum [n=johnny@adsl-ull-73-34.50-151.net24.it] entered the room.
(18:10:06) Alucard: Prof. TeTeT: how about single click for install CCSM?
(18:10:24) TeTeT: billycin1: I suggest we use blueprints for this and assign people to different chapters, e.g. one update blueprint per chapter
(18:10:26) Belinda Lopez: billycin1:  btw - you should start getting my edits this afternoon
(18:10:39) billycin1: Belinda Lopez: great - thanks
(18:10:51) TeTeT: Alucard: I don't understand how your question relates to the update of the training course, sorry.
(18:10:53) billycin1: tetet: you will need to explain this to me (and probably others)
(18:11:12) billycin1: Alucard: we are in a training planning meeting. are you in the right place?
(18:11:20) TeTeT: a blueprint in Launchpad is a specification
(18:11:30) TeTeT: for example the update to 8.04 is one specification
(18:11:36) Alucard: Prof. TeTeT: sorry sir!
(18:11:44) TeTeT: specifications can be ordered hierarchically
(18:11:55) TeTeT: so chapter1 to 10 can be a sub-spec for the update
(18:12:04) TeTeT: each spec can be assigned to a different person or launchpad team
(18:12:32) billycin1: tetet: so i guess we need voluteers, right?
(18:12:33) TeTeT: we probably should do a practice training session on this, anybody interested?
(18:12:40) billycin1: TeTeT: count me in
(18:12:40) Belinda Lopez: I get it, just like what happens at UDS and the whole development process - makes sense
(18:12:41) TeTeT: billycin1: if possible, yes
(18:13:01) billycin1: tetet: shall we do this at the next meeting?
(18:13:10) billycin1: TeTeT: and then we can start with assignments?
(18:13:11) TeTeT: dinda: yes, we would like to keep it as close as possible to benefit from their proven workflow
(18:13:31) TeTeT: billycin1: yes, would be a good topic once ubuntu-deskto-course-beta is on the way to 8.04
(18:13:44) billycin1: tetet: ok - noted for next meeting
(18:14:09) TeTeT: ACTION: TeTeT to explain specs and setup test environment for next meeting
(18:14:22) billycin1: TeTeT: did you want to cover the tool chain issue as well while you have the floor?
(18:14:25) TeTeT: if no more questions, please continue on agenda
(18:14:32) TeTeT: can do that, 
(18:14:39) TeTeT: Topic is increasing participation
(18:14:54) TeTeT: the limiting factor here seems to be the tool chain, as it is not very user friendly
(18:15:11) billycin1: some of you will recall we spoke about it in the last UDS
(18:15:22) TeTeT: I raised the issue on the mailing list on what everybody uses and feedback was very low
(18:15:40) TeTeT: so, what we have is to awkward for the casual contributor
(18:15:59) Belinda Lopez: and the not-so casual ones too!
(18:16:04) TeTeT: how can we do better? I would like to raise this question on the mailing list again and ask how the best system would look like
(18:16:06) billycin1: i hear you
(18:16:24) billycin1: one suggestion is to tap into the doc team
(18:16:31) TeTeT: If everybody would reply with how it should be done, this would be great
(18:16:32) Belinda Lopez: I've started a conversation with an Open Source project called Connexions
(18:16:34) billycin1: ie how they do it
(18:16:41) TeTeT: the doc team uses a mentoring process to get people started
(18:16:53) billycin1: yep - and i think we should / could join forces
(18:16:58) billycin1: thoughts?
(18:17:10) billycin1: a lot of the work overlaps anyway
(18:17:13) Belinda Lopez: by strange coincidence they just put in a proposal as part of the Shuttlworth foundation follow up from the Cape Town open education meeting
(18:17:28) billycin1: they sound familiar
(18:17:40) Belinda Lopez: they have a tool that allows online XML editing
(18:17:51) billycin1: is it any good?
(18:17:54) TeTeT: sounds great, can you report on this on the list, dinda?
(18:17:57) Belinda Lopez: uploading from word or odt and also export to pdf
(18:18:03) billycin1: :)
(18:18:07) billycin1: sounds like heaven
(18:18:22) Belinda Lopez: and also "print on demand" if someone wants to buy a printed copy - but that is still in works
(18:18:29) Belinda Lopez: cnx.ord
(18:18:34) Belinda Lopez: cnx.org
(18:18:36) Belinda Lopez: sorry
(18:18:52) Belinda Lopez: I'm going to setup a meeting to talk with them again more next week. .. 
(18:18:57) billycin1: are they released or in beta?
(18:19:04) Belinda Lopez: they are very familiar with the docbook problems
(18:19:09) billycin1: Belinda Lopez: great - i will be very interested to learn more
(18:19:23) billycin1: anybody any thoughts on teaming witht he doc team
(18:19:40) Belinda Lopez: once I get a better handle on the tool, I would like Tetet to talk with their Tech folks 
(18:19:41) billycin1: or at least seeing if we can combine efforts
(18:20:33) TeTeT: any more questions on the tool chain/participation topic?
(18:20:36) Belinda Lopez: billycin1:  they are in release and well funded, and are in Houston, so they are easy to get to
(18:20:57) TeTeT: ACTION: dinda to test online xml editing tool Connexions
(18:20:59) billycin1: Belinda Lopez: excellent
(18:21:30) billycin1: ok: next
(18:21:38) billycin1: is the structure of the meeting
(18:21:52) billycin1: would be good to have more activity during the actual meetings too
(18:21:59) billycin1: more thoughts, voices etc
(18:22:22) Belinda Lopez: some one really needs to get their blog on the planet. . . <points to self>
(18:22:37) billycin1: one way we thought of doing that is letting somebosy else chair each meeting and update the training wiki
(18:22:41) billycin1: thoughts?
(18:22:52) Belinda Lopez: I think having some voices, more press would be good
(18:23:21) billycin1: Belinda Lopez: yep - but i think during these meetings too
(18:23:22) Belinda Lopez: are these meetings on the Fridge?
(18:23:30) billycin1: Belinda Lopez: sometimes
(18:23:38) billycin1: this one wasn't
(18:23:43) billycin1: but i can see to it
(18:23:47) Belinda Lopez: we need a marketing person
(18:24:03) billycin1: Belinda Lopez: how would you feel about running a meeting?
(18:24:20) Belinda Lopez: I can chair it, not sure if it will make much difference
(18:24:32) billycin1: Belinda Lopez: worth a shot?
(18:25:14) Belinda Lopez: sure, probably start to send the topics out to other groups too
(18:25:29) billycin1: good idea
(18:25:50) Belinda Lopez: I can send out a call for participation to the Loco contacts as well
(18:25:54) billycin1: alright, that was what i had to cover today. anybody want to add?
(18:25:58) billycin1: Belinda Lopez: that would be grand
(18:26:11) Belinda Lopez: what did you have in mind for the doc team and UDS?
(18:26:36) Belinda Lopez: Jonathan Jesse already said he wasn't available
(18:26:56) billycin1: basically getting people in a room and thinking about where our work is duplicated and how we can share resources and information and time - etc
(18:27:01) billycin1: that's too bad
(18:27:11) billycin1: probably matt east wont go either
(18:27:17) Belinda Lopez: I was thinking a Sprint might be more feasible
(18:27:24) billycin1: tell me more
(18:27:50) Belinda Lopez: since UDS's are so crowded, maybe bring some key Doc Team folks to you or you to them
(18:28:13) Belinda Lopez: there was only one doc team person at the last UDS
(18:28:19) billycin1: right
(18:28:29) billycin1: would they come for a sprint?
(18:28:55) Belinda Lopez: it would probably have to be scheduled around Jonathan's schedule but he's key
(18:29:03) billycin1: is he in the U.S.?
(18:29:16) Belinda Lopez: I think it would be worth it for you to meet with him
(18:29:31) billycin1: Belinda Lopez: agree - been trying to meet matt east forever too
(18:29:32) Belinda Lopez: I think he's up North, close to Canada but he travels alot
(18:29:38) billycin1: very busy guy
(18:29:45) billycin1: ok - i will make contact
(18:29:55) billycin1: thanks
(18:30:15) billycin1: anything else before we sign off?
(18:30:31) Belinda Lopez: pictures from Thailand?
(18:30:40) billycin1: yup
(18:30:45) billycin1: will send you them
(18:30:48) billycin1: there are many!
(18:30:59) Belinda Lopez: yeah!
(18:31:02) billycin1: ok folks,
(18:31:08) billycin1: thanks for turning up
(18:31:18) TeTeT: Translation?
(18:31:19) billycin1: see you in a couple of weeks
(18:31:23) BallianoCreaLabs [n=fabrizio@host186-150-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] entered the room.
(18:31:25) Belinda Lopez: thanks, I'll send you more info on Connexions
(18:31:40) billycin1: Belinda Lopez: thanks - you good to chair the next meeting?
(18:31:40) TeTeT: nxvl_work: how far did you get with the translation branch?
(18:32:03) Fabrizio_Ballian [n=fabrizio@host186-150-dynamic.52-82-r.retail.telecomitalia.it] entered the room.
(18:32:09) Belinda Lopez: yip, just get the agenda started on the wiki and we'l run from there
(18:32:11) TeTeT: everybody else: there is quite a lot of activity in some branches for translation, excellent effort
(18:32:50) billycin1: Belinda Lopez: great - star
(18:32:59) billycin1: see you later all
(18:33:00) Belinda Lopez: Tetet: was very happy to see all those different branches started
(18:33:26) Belinda Lopez: okay, back to editing now!
(18:33:35) billycin1: Belinda Lopez: me too - almost done
(18:33:47) Belinda Lopez left the room.