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Aug 23 13:01:21 *	Now talking on #ubuntu-training
Aug 23 13:01:21 *	Topic for #ubuntu-training is: Ubuntu Training Discussion - Next Meeting: Thu 23rd  Aug 2007 3pm UTC - Agenda at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/TrainingAgenda23Aug
Aug 23 13:01:21 *	Topic for #ubuntu-training set by popey at Tue Aug 21 19:45:18 2007
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Aug 23 14:46:11 <syntux>	3 hours for the meeting right ?
Aug 23 14:53:45 <billycina>	yes
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Aug 23 15:00:23 <syntux>	thanks
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Aug 23 17:48:02 <jono>	hi all
Aug 23 17:48:16 <Baby>	hi :)
Aug 23 17:48:22 <jono>	heya Baby, hows things?
Aug 23 17:51:34 <Baby>	fine thanks!! you? :)
Aug 23 17:51:44 <Baby>	my 1st time in this channel :)
Aug 23 17:52:00 <Baby>	at this speed, I'm gonna end joining all the Ubuntu channels :)
Aug 23 17:53:24 *	tck pokes jono 
Aug 23 17:53:29 <tck>	the very man :)
Aug 23 17:53:29 <jono>	hey tck
Aug 23 17:53:36 <jono>	Baby: not bad, keeping busy :)
Aug 23 17:53:47 <tck>	can i pick your brains about something?
Aug 23 17:54:32 <tck>	https://bugs.launchpad.net/loco-webhosting/+bug/129773
Aug 23 17:57:40 <jono>	tck: is this for launchpad?
Aug 23 17:58:12 <jono>	tck: just ask nick for the details
Aug 23 17:58:37 <jono>	tck: not sure why this bug is assigned to me, I have nothing to do with the irish team
Aug 23 17:58:39 <jono>	:)
Aug 23 18:02:17 <billycina>	hello all
Aug 23 18:02:28 <Baby>	hi billycina
Aug 23 18:02:35 <billycina>	Baby: hi :0
Aug 23 18:02:45 <billycina>	only 8 of us this week!
Aug 23 18:02:58 <billycina>	holidays i guess
Aug 23 18:03:32 <billycina>	so i'll get started anyway - i think this will be a rather short meeting
Aug 23 18:03:55 <billycina>	agenda items if noone else has additions:
Aug 23 18:04:26 <billycina>	project status and timing
Aug 23 18:04:32 <billycina>	pilot thought
Aug 23 18:04:33 <billycina>	s
Aug 23 18:04:39 <billycina>	and
Aug 23 18:04:42 <billycina>	next meeting
Aug 23 18:05:22 <billycina>	so, since last time we spoke i have been busy briefing the poor chaps over in india about the wonders of
Aug 23 18:05:24 <billycina>	bzr
Aug 23 18:05:28 <billycina>	docbook
Aug 23 18:05:29 <billycina>	and
Aug 23 18:05:32 <billycina>	the wiki!
Aug 23 18:05:48 <billycina>	there are a few nervous people in Delhi
Aug 23 18:05:50 <billycina>	but all good
Aug 23 18:06:09 <billycina>	they will get to grips with it all i'm sure
Aug 23 18:06:31 <billycina>	they've also been briefed with the agreed TOC - which I hope you've all had a chance to peek at
Aug 23 18:06:58 <billycina>	and they are now busy preparing the skeleton for the course
Aug 23 18:07:18 <billycina>	I don't expect we will have anything to review content wise before 17th Sept
Aug 23 18:07:44 <billycina>	but after that content will start to pour through and we will have to be pretty quick in feedback
Aug 23 18:07:52 <billycina>	any questions so far?
Aug 23 18:08:09 <billycina>	ok, so
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Aug 23 18:08:42 <billycina>	between 17th sept - 26th October this is the really hectic time when all of the content will be written into 11 modules
Aug 23 18:09:08 <billycina>	some of the content they will only start writing after Gutsy is released
Aug 23 18:09:18 <billycina>	but most they can start writing now
Aug 23 18:09:22 <edujose>	hi all
Aug 23 18:09:27 <billycina>	edujose: hi there
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Aug 23 18:09:54 <billycina>	we are still planning on holding the pilot during the week commencing 29th October
Aug 23 18:10:03 <billycina>	hence the rush to get all the material written
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Aug 23 18:10:33 <billycina>	the aim is still to launch the instructor led course on 16th Nov
Aug 23 18:10:41 <billycina>	one month after gutsy release
Aug 23 18:10:45 <edujose>	out of curiosity, what material  should be written after Gutsy release?
Aug 23 18:10:52 <billycina>	web based will follow by a couple of weeks
Aug 23 18:11:07 <billycina>	just a second will have a look
Aug 23 18:12:05 <billycina>	wonderful filing system i have
Aug 23 18:12:25 <billycina>	ok - so the tour of the GNOME desktop and its key features
Aug 23 18:12:35 <billycina>	and
Aug 23 18:12:48 <billycina>	the games section
Aug 23 18:13:10 <billycina>	games - mainly because we have a 'quibble' over which games should be included
Aug 23 18:13:14 <billycina>	and
Aug 23 18:13:39 <billycina>	Backing up dvds
Aug 23 18:13:43 <billycina>	realplayer
Aug 23 18:13:51 <billycina>	video editing
Aug 23 18:13:54 <billycina>	that's it
Aug 23 18:14:07 <billycina>	everything else is already getting started
Aug 23 18:14:35 <billycina>	so -timing wise, stay tuned to start reviewing around the 17th sept
Aug 23 18:15:10 <billycina>	anybody had any more thoughts on pilot location and participants?
Aug 23 18:15:17 <syntux>	awesome
Aug 23 18:15:36 <billycina>	ok - so just to recap
Aug 23 18:15:46 <billycina>	on the pilot and what we need for that
Aug 23 18:15:54 <billycina>	~10 students, computer litterate
Aug 23 18:16:01 <billycina>	windows or mac users
Aug 23 18:16:10 <billycina>	competely new to Ubuntu
Aug 23 18:16:18 <billycina>	l
Aug 23 18:16:38 <billycina>	and would be available for 2 days in a location convenient to get to from an airport
Aug 23 18:17:22 <billycina>	if anybody knows of a company deploying / wanting to train its staff on Ubuntu - this would be a great group to trial
Aug 23 18:17:49 <billycina>	.... you guys are quiet today ;)
Aug 23 18:17:56 <syntux>	billycina, do they have to cover travel expenses ? 
Aug 23 18:18:22 <billycina>	syntux: canonical would cover everything - travel, food and some accommodation if required
Aug 23 18:19:06 <billycina>	one alternative would be to run it at NIIT facilities on their staff
Aug 23 18:19:06 <syntux>	great
Aug 23 18:19:17 <billycina>	but i would rather not run the pilot in india
Aug 23 18:19:45 <billycina>	ok - that was what i had to cover today.
Aug 23 18:19:51 <billycina>	said it would be short :)
Aug 23 18:20:01 <billycina>	questions / comments?
Aug 23 18:20:07 <edujose>	o yeah
Aug 23 18:20:30 <edujose>	the pilot is free of cost to students?
Aug 23 18:20:35 <billycina>	yes it is
Aug 23 18:20:39 <syntux>	billycina, does it have to be a company ? I could arrange with some institute to run pilot for local lug new comers in Jordan. 
Aug 23 18:21:05 <billycina>	syntux: interesting option
Aug 23 18:21:30 <billycina>	syntux: would prefer to have perhaps combination of company and home users
Aug 23 18:21:56 *	billycina dream scenario
Aug 23 18:21:58 <billycina>	is
Aug 23 18:22:15 <edujose>	i was thinking of high-school students, but that exckudes them
Aug 23 18:22:23 <billycina>	to have a few good options and then choosing one which ticks most boxes
Aug 23 18:22:24 <edujose>	excludes, ajem
Aug 23 18:22:38 <billycina>	edujose: yes - they are not really our main target audience
Aug 23 18:23:04 <billycina>	edujose: high school kds are usually too smart too and we need some really typical users
Aug 23 18:23:27 <billycina>	... asking the typical type of (sometimes dumb) questions
Aug 23 18:23:32 <tck>	back
Aug 23 18:23:35 <edujose>	and what about teachers? they usually have windows but not plenty of knowledge
Aug 23 18:23:46 <tck>	jono, ok so its in nick ali's hands?
Aug 23 18:23:54 <billycina>	they would be better than school kids - yes
Aug 23 18:24:32 <edujose>	can ask my local CEFIRE about that, here in Spain
Aug 23 18:24:41 <billycina>	edujose: sounds good :)
Aug 23 18:24:44 <billycina>	thanks
Aug 23 18:24:50 <billycina>	ahhh - oops
Aug 23 18:24:54 <billycina>	language
Aug 23 18:25:12 <edujose>	ah, it's in english, of course
Aug 23 18:25:16 <billycina>	English speaking as native - otherwise we can't really test the material
Aug 23 18:25:22 <billycina>	hmmmm shame
Aug 23 18:25:47 <billycina>	syntux: same for Jordan
Aug 23 18:26:12 <syntux>	billycina, oh native English speakers; ok never mind then. 
Aug 23 18:26:23 <billycina>	syntux: sorry
Aug 23 18:26:38 <syntux>	However most of Jordanians are close to be fluent, we got many expats 
Aug 23 18:27:04 <billycina>	syntux: yes - i was just thinking about that - jordanians do tend to have high standard of english
Aug 23 18:27:14 <billycina>	if i may grossly over-generalise
Aug 23 18:27:34 <billycina>	ok - it's an option if we can get the right people
Aug 23 18:27:40 <syntux>	billycina, British colonized us and taught us the language :p
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Aug 23 18:28:07 <billycina>	syntux: at least one good thing came out of it
Aug 23 18:28:16 <edujose>	english not very good here in spain, just good for teachers of foreign languages
Aug 23 18:28:17 <billycina>	ok - anything else before we close the meeting?
Aug 23 18:28:45 <billycina>	edujose: too bad. our spanish sucks too over in the UK so i guess we are equal!
Aug 23 18:28:46 <edujose>	yes, you speak before of reviewing the materials
Aug 23 18:28:54 <billycina>	yes
Aug 23 18:29:12 <edujose>	ah, yay for languages! :-)
Aug 23 18:29:18 <syntux>	hah
Aug 23 18:29:37 <billycina>	edujose: question about material review?
Aug 23 18:29:58 <edujose>	yes (writing slowly - it's a cybercafe, bad keyboards)
Aug 23 18:30:09 <billycina>	k
Aug 23 18:30:29 <edujose>	I understood you have people writing the course, but wnat some reviews of it?
Aug 23 18:30:39 <edujose>	wnat -> want
Aug 23 18:31:39 <billycina>	yes - NIIT, the company in india is writing the content
Aug 23 18:31:41 <billycina>	but
Aug 23 18:31:53 <billycina>	we would like the community to provide feedback on it
Aug 23 18:32:23 <edujose>	ah, ok, that doable
Aug 23 18:32:28 <billycina>	great
Aug 23 18:32:34 <edujose>	that -> that is
Aug 23 18:32:46 <edujose>	(bad keyb, bad)
Aug 23 18:32:58 <billycina>	edujose: you have my sympathies ;)
Aug 23 18:33:12 <billycina>	ok - same time and oops, no
Aug 23 18:33:15 <edujose>	and another question, the logs of this chat will be posted?
Aug 23 18:33:18 <billycina>	hold on - yes
Aug 23 18:33:41 <billycina>	jono: who was keeping the log for this?
Aug 23 18:33:58 <jono>	billycina: not sure
Aug 23 18:34:05 <syntux>	billycina,  I have it. 
Aug 23 18:34:08 <jono>	I don't think a bot is logging it
Aug 23 18:34:10 <jono>	syntux: thanks :)
Aug 23 18:34:16 <billycina>	syntux: yes, thanks
Aug 23 18:34:22 <syntux>	sure.
Aug 23 18:34:26 <billycina>	can you send it to me please?