{{{ Nov 18 12:01:22 #startmeeting Nov 18 12:01:23 Meeting started at 13:01. The chair is charlie-tca. Nov 18 12:01:23 Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] Nov 18 12:01:40 Since I seem to be the one that did that, I'll chair today Nov 18 12:01:52 TOPIC agenda Nov 18 12:02:20 [TOPIC] agenda Nov 18 12:02:21 New Topic: agenda Nov 18 12:02:26 # Continue working with the new Governance structure Nov 18 12:02:26 # Changes for Natty Narwhal Nov 18 12:02:26 # login manager, GDM vs ???, a new one would be desirable - charlie-tca Nov 18 12:02:26 # Nov 18 12:02:26 New icon theme, elementary vs faenza - charlie-tca Nov 18 12:02:26 # Team updates (Packaging, Bug Triage, Development / Coding, Testing, Documentation, Artwork) Nov 18 12:02:54 Hm, not quite the order I wanted. Let's start with Team updates Nov 18 12:03:17 developers, where we at in natty? Nov 18 12:04:04 inclusion of Xfce 4.7.x is in progress (a bit blocked currently because of some stupid stuff done by glib developers) Nov 18 12:04:32 Great! Are we staying with the same applications as maverick? Nov 18 12:04:32 almost all 4.8 core libs are already there Nov 18 12:05:04 I think so, unless someone has new things to propose to the ml Nov 18 12:05:31 Okay. Thanks, mr_pouit Nov 18 12:05:35 website ? Nov 18 12:05:50 (there will probably be some issues because ubuntu is moving to gtk3 and we don't, but we'll see when they arise) Nov 18 12:06:33 anything else, mr_pouit ? Nov 18 12:07:10 no, that's all :p Nov 18 12:07:13 vinnl: there was some discussion of moving the website to wordpress. Is that still on-going? Nov 18 12:07:37 * HakanS has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Nov 18 12:07:54 charlie-tca, I don't know, I believe that was knome's initiative, I have not much to do with keeping the website running Nov 18 12:08:19 I had hopes you knew more than me... ;-) Nov 18 12:08:28 Hehe, sorry to disappoint Nov 18 12:08:35 Appears that is falling by the wayside, then. Nov 18 12:09:00 Anyone here want to grab documentation? We really need to try and get that updated for Natty Nov 18 12:09:13 Wasn't Pasi working on an updated version with the new Xubuntu style? Nov 18 12:09:19 quick question, is Xfce upgrading to GTK3? Nov 18 12:09:21 (@website) Nov 18 12:09:26 As far as I know Nov 18 12:09:39 mr_pouit: what about gtk3? Nov 18 12:09:56 mhall119: no, 4.8 will use gtk2 Nov 18 12:09:59 ok Nov 18 12:10:01 There was a discussion on the Xfce list about this today Nov 18 12:10:20 They wanted to wait until it's been released for a while so bugs have been ironed out Nov 18 12:10:28 works for me Nov 18 12:10:32 (ah, I didn't have the time to check my mails from today ;) Nov 18 12:10:58 how about settings, I thought I heard a while ago plans to move to dconf/gsettings Nov 18 12:11:13 They mentioned that too, same conversation Nov 18 12:11:17 ok Nov 18 12:11:23 They wanted to, eventually, but xfconf works fine, so they're not in a hurry Nov 18 12:11:30 do you happen to hav a link to that thread vinnl ? Nov 18 12:11:43 It's not the transition that's a lot of work, it's conversion of settings :) Nov 18 12:11:47 Ehm, let me look Nov 18 12:12:00 * ivanka is now known as ivanka-train Nov 18 12:12:16 * brianchidester has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Nov 18 12:12:22 mhall119, here: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-November/028400.html Nov 18 12:12:27 thanks, cause that move is going to affect QImo Nov 18 12:12:31 [LINK] http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-November/028400.html Nov 18 12:12:33 LINK received: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-November/028400.html Nov 18 12:13:23 okay, moving on then Nov 18 12:13:24 http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-November/028400.html Nov 18 12:13:26 LINK received: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-November/028400.html Nov 18 12:14:01 Bugs and Testing: We are working to triage bugs as they come in. We are getting hit pretty hard on abiword right now Nov 18 12:14:12 Got to try and upstream those Nov 18 12:14:35 Testing will be ongoing, with the changes in Natty for Ubuntu, we need to try and test every day or two. Nov 18 12:14:42 * brianchidester (~brianchid@nat/canonical/x-dizfmjirwtyzjrrq) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Nov 18 12:14:58 I am running a full upgrade maverick to natty already, on my daily use machine Nov 18 12:16:02 Artwork: I have gotten with the community artwork team, they have drawn up a preliminary spec for us: Nov 18 12:16:03 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-7 Nov 18 12:16:11 * thumper has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Nov 18 12:16:22 [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-7 Nov 18 12:16:23 LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-7 Nov 18 12:16:34 If anyone has suggestions for that, I am open. Nov 18 12:17:08 Also, we are looking at replacing the elementary icon theme with faenza Nov 18 12:17:13 [LINK] http://shimmerproject.org/hg/faenza-xfce Nov 18 12:17:15 LINK received: http://shimmerproject.org/hg/faenza-xfce Nov 18 12:17:30 It looks to be a very nice theme Nov 18 12:17:37 well, icon set Nov 18 12:17:58 any objections to replacing elementary? Nov 18 12:18:05 * thumper (~thumper@125-236-193-95.adsl.xtra.co.nz) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Nov 18 12:18:05 * thumper has quit (Changing host) Nov 18 12:18:05 * thumper (~thumper@canonical/launchpad/thumper) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Nov 18 12:18:15 Ehm Nov 18 12:18:32 charlie-tca: I think that faenza has severe usability problems Nov 18 12:18:36 I recall reading on the faenza page that a lot of icons were missing, recently. Is that still the case? Nov 18 12:18:41 charlie-tca: especially with the small icons Nov 18 12:18:57 hi, let me catch up Nov 18 12:19:08 charlie-tca: in particular, all the icons have the same outline Nov 18 12:19:28 You mean, the squares? Nov 18 12:19:37 yes Nov 18 12:19:57 yeah, for the completeness, I think ochosi is working on it (but he doesn't seem to be here now) Nov 18 12:20:00 The colors are great for visibility, though Nov 18 12:20:01 plus, the icons are different than the default icons for most applications Nov 18 12:20:04 * JFo is now known as JFo-food Nov 18 12:20:07 https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Specs/Request-7 is the work of j_baer, not the "team". well, and full of problems Nov 18 12:20:16 Yesw, they are different Nov 18 12:20:18 I just spent a minute looking for gimp (I enabled faenza for test) Nov 18 12:20:31 thorwil: help? Nov 18 12:21:08 charlie-tca, also, about the spec - what Creative Commons license must submissions adhere to? Nov 18 12:21:15 -NC is quite restrictive Nov 18 12:21:18 charlie-tca: i'm Thorsten Wilms. you will remember that we talked about design and the need for differentiation and a strategy at UDS Nov 18 12:21:23 Yup Nov 18 12:21:43 I remember. I did not realize that spec was not good. Nov 18 12:21:48 so the problem of that spec is that it is not based on any such thoughts Nov 18 12:22:11 should I email you and Saleel for this one? Nov 18 12:22:27 sure Nov 18 12:22:29 vinnl: IIRC, -NC isn't allowed in universe Nov 18 12:22:36 Glad you made it here. Nov 18 12:22:53 unless you want to discuss the very definition of the project and the strategy right here :) Nov 18 12:22:54 mhall119, more reason to state that in the spec :) Nov 18 12:23:21 Okay, throw the spec page out for now. I will get the artists and get a real one drawn up. If anyone has ideas, we need them. Nov 18 12:23:25 I can't see where -nc is written… Nov 18 12:23:36 if CC, ask for plain CC or CC-SA Nov 18 12:23:49 mr_pouit, no, but no specific CC license is specified, which implies -NC is an option Nov 18 12:23:51 NC and ND don't belong Nov 18 12:23:55 Exactly Nov 18 12:24:01 yeah ok Nov 18 12:24:03 Ah yeah I meant ND, that's the worst clause :) Nov 18 12:24:16 * knome (~knome@ubuntu/member/knome) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Nov 18 12:24:24 * sbc has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) Nov 18 12:24:25 'lo Nov 18 12:24:30 hi knome Nov 18 12:24:33 Hey , knome Nov 18 12:24:45 We were just discussing possible specs for artwork Nov 18 12:25:06 mm-hmm Nov 18 12:25:29 (well, with -nc you can't even put a screenshot of the desktop in a book/magazine…) Nov 18 12:26:03 apparently, I am in a pile of straw when it comes to it. thorwil is going to help draw up specs, I think Nov 18 12:26:19 * cking has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) Nov 18 12:26:55 mr_pouit, I suppose that would fall under Fair Use, which I think most countries have? Still, it'd definitely be undesirable Nov 18 12:27:15 But okay, if a new spec is going to be written, this can be something to keep in mind, no need to discuss it further I suppose Nov 18 12:27:17 knome: where i have been gently pushing, along with Saleel, to first have a clear definition of the xubuntu project. especially how it differentiates itself from ubuntu and other. why it is worthwhile Nov 18 12:27:44 knome: as these questions will lead to a message to get across via the artwork Nov 18 12:27:59 yes.. Nov 18 12:28:10 * Keybuk has quit (Quit: Keybuk) Nov 18 12:28:55 vinnl: I think we can draw it up to give us the license we need submissions to fall under Nov 18 12:29:21 but right now, it seems to be "guess and pray" requests Nov 18 12:29:46 knome: thoughts on this? Nov 18 12:29:57 not really Nov 18 12:30:05 sounds doable Nov 18 12:30:43 i'v been told that the "lightweight" aspect often makes people think xubuntu would be only for old hardware. so instead, maybe emphasize performance? Nov 18 12:30:56 Do we need to have a separate meeting for this discussion to happen, or do it via mailing list/emails. I don't think thorwil and saleel are on the xubuntu lists Nov 18 12:31:04 * costales (~marcos@89.128.14.195) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Nov 18 12:31:05 and it seems xubuntu will be conservative compared to ubuntu Nov 18 12:32:08 I like the emphasize performance part Nov 18 12:32:08 charlie-tca, since there is not artwork team in xubuntu ATM, isn't it you who accepts or declines what thorwil and saleel have drafted? Nov 18 12:32:32 i agree with thorwil, lightweight tends to give the wrong impression Nov 18 12:32:45 I guess it is. but I kind of take everyone's word on it, since I don't know all the in's and out's Nov 18 12:33:07 knome: ideally most of this would come from team members, while i just offer guidance Nov 18 12:33:42 thorwil, there is no such 'team members' Nov 18 12:33:45 knome: we still like to have input on it. You know more about licenses and what the artwork should represent than I do Nov 18 12:35:09 [ACTION] charlie-tca to get with thorwil and Saleel about artwork specs by email Nov 18 12:35:11 ACTION received: charlie-tca to get with thorwil and Saleel about artwork specs by email Nov 18 12:35:17 imo if somebody wants his work in xubuntu, it should be no problem to publish the artwork in whatever license you ask for Nov 18 12:36:27 [TOPIC] login manager, GDM vs ???, a new one would be desirable Nov 18 12:36:28 New Topic: login manager, GDM vs ???, a new one would be desirable Nov 18 12:36:43 why? Nov 18 12:36:51 charlie-tca, there has been talk about LightDM Nov 18 12:37:20 why? because we keep getting issues with GDM when they change things in Gnome Nov 18 12:37:34 LightDM uses webkit? Nov 18 12:37:57 I have been following the lightDM stuff. Does it use webkit? Nov 18 12:38:06 yep, you can even try it in your web browser :) Nov 18 12:38:09 one of the greeters uses webkit Nov 18 12:38:15 (well, the greeter, anyway) Nov 18 12:38:28 oh, appears there's a separate -webkit and -gnome versions Nov 18 12:38:52 gnome versions are what makes things difficult sometimes. Nov 18 12:39:13 mr_pouit: what about what is it ? lxdm? Nov 18 12:39:16 how about LXDE's new one? Nov 18 12:39:20 heh Nov 18 12:39:43 Wouldn't it make things easier than GDM? Nov 18 12:39:53 I use SLiM myself Nov 18 12:40:11 I don't know, didn't try since a long time. But I trust lightdm to be better written ;] Nov 18 12:40:58 hm, it seems like lightdm is not quite ready. Can we get with Robert Ancell on it and see what is happening? Nov 18 12:41:57 Who wants to follow that up? Nov 18 12:43:27 [ACTION] Find out more information about LightDM Nov 18 12:43:28 ACTION received: Find out more information about LightDM Nov 18 12:43:42 anything else on this subject? Nov 18 12:43:45 charlie-tca, maybe consider also asking xfce devs Nov 18 12:44:00 they could know something about that... Nov 18 12:44:05 I like that idea, too Nov 18 12:44:12 Robert Ancell sent a mail to xfce4-dev a few weeks ago iirc Nov 18 12:44:25 [ACTION] follow up with xfce devs on display managers Nov 18 12:44:26 ACTION received: follow up with xfce devs on display managers Nov 18 12:44:39 * gnomefreak has quit (Quit: Gone for now) Nov 18 12:45:17 I will try to research it, then Nov 18 12:45:26 [TOPIC] Continue working with the new Governance structure Nov 18 12:45:27 New Topic: Continue working with the new Governance structure Nov 18 12:45:33 yes, this is on-going. Nov 18 12:46:01 We are going to have to set up a vote of some kind to formalize a project lead so we can set up a governing council Nov 18 12:46:10 Does that make sense? Nov 18 12:46:25 suggestions for doing that? Nov 18 12:46:36 * cyberanger (~infocop41@opennic/infocop411) has left #ubuntu-meeting ("G2G, Interview time, ugh") Nov 18 12:46:47 How are the nominees going to be decided? Nov 18 12:47:21 charlie-tca, the thread about lightdm @xfce4-dev ml: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-August/028200.html Nov 18 12:47:27 At this point, I am an interim Project Lead. We can ask for monimees through the mailing list again, and give a time frame for submissions, like about two weeks Nov 18 12:47:36 * ivanka-train has quit (Ping timeout: 250 seconds) Nov 18 12:47:40 Thanks, knome Nov 18 12:48:03 [LINK] http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-August/028200.html Nov 18 12:48:04 LINK received: http://foo-projects.org/pipermail/xfce4-dev/2010-August/028200.html Nov 18 12:48:28 * vish has quit (Remote host closed the connection) Nov 18 12:48:37 two weeks appears to be the accepted time for submissions, doesn't it? Nov 18 12:48:46 I suppose it's long enough Nov 18 12:49:41 then we can ask for votes, either in a meeting like this, through the mailing list, throught the community council Nov 18 12:49:58 I just think we need to do something Nov 18 12:50:31 I also plan on a meeting every two weeks at this time, to keep everyone up to date on what is happening in Xubuntu Nov 18 12:51:03 any suggestions on how to select the project lead? Nov 18 12:51:08 Do you think attendance will be high enough with such frequent meetings? Nov 18 12:51:22 just see if any volunteers step up frist Nov 18 12:51:23 *first Nov 18 12:51:25 BTW: the LightDM -gnome greeter is actually a Gtk greeter Nov 18 12:51:41 agreed with vinnl - once per two weeks is a bit too much Nov 18 12:51:59 How high does attendance need to be? If we get the team leads to give updates, that is a good meeting for updating everyone Nov 18 12:51:59 edubuntu does weekly meetings, I'm sure xubuntu can bring in at least as many people Nov 18 12:51:59 would have been too much even when we had a more active community Nov 18 12:52:31 um, you won't generate interest without creating something Nov 18 12:52:38 mhall119, how many does Edubuntu bring? Nov 18 12:52:44 Agreed Nov 18 12:52:46 we have tried without any meetings, and it falls way short Nov 18 12:52:50 vinnl: usuallly only a few Nov 18 12:52:58 but it's good to keep in touch and everyone up to date Nov 18 12:53:01 Yeah zero meetings is too few I suppose :P Nov 18 12:53:07 We get about 10 in QA, less in bugsqad meetings. Nov 18 12:53:20 Accessibility has what, about 5 or 6 regulars at the meetings? Nov 18 12:53:49 Then I suppose Xubuntu would be able to pull it off as well. Still, that's a lot of meetings during the cycle. Perhaps one in three weeks would be better? Nov 18 12:54:11 * mvo has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) Nov 18 12:54:17 even when there's only 1 or 2 people present at an edubuntu meeting I find it useful for making sure that at least *someone* knows what's been happeneing the last week :) Nov 18 12:54:30 Hmm yeah, sounds reasonable Nov 18 12:54:40 Would be very useful for the project lead at least, I suppose Nov 18 12:54:49 I figured two weeks at first, then if we want to, go to monthly. It is easier with regular schedules of 1 week, 2 weeks, 1 month, etc Nov 18 12:55:01 So if the project lead is willing to be there once every two weeks, I suppose it's fine Nov 18 12:55:14 weekly meetings are easy to remember Nov 18 12:55:21 I am thinking of every two weeks, on Thursday, 19:00 UTC Nov 18 12:55:23 no "is this a meeting week or not' Nov 18 12:55:33 if it's wednesday, I know there's an edubuntu meeting Nov 18 12:55:56 mhall119: you make a really good point Nov 18 12:56:26 I have enough people here, maybe. should we vote? Nov 18 12:56:34 some edubuntu meetings don't last very long, but it's good to have them so regularly Nov 18 12:57:07 * mvo (~egon@p5B09D45D.dip.t-dialin.net) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Nov 18 12:57:40 We could have two votes, I guess. one for weekly and one for two weeks apart. a yes vote is marked by +1, a no vote is -1 Nov 18 12:57:46 everyone is allowed to vote Nov 18 12:57:46 * JFo-food is now known as JFo Nov 18 12:58:01 [VOTE] for weekly meeting Nov 18 12:58:02 Please vote on: for weekly meeting. Nov 18 12:58:03 Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot Nov 18 12:58:03 E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting Nov 18 12:58:14 +1 Nov 18 12:58:15 +1 received from vinnl. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 Nov 18 12:58:15 +1 Nov 18 12:58:16 +1 received from mhall119. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 Nov 18 12:58:20 +1 Nov 18 12:58:20 +1 received from mr_pouit. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 Nov 18 12:58:42 +0 Nov 18 12:58:42 Abstention received from beardygnome. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3 Nov 18 12:58:42 -1 Nov 18 12:58:43 -1 received from charlie-tca. 3 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 Nov 18 12:58:47 -1 Nov 18 12:58:47 -1 received from knome. 3 for, 2 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1 Nov 18 12:59:19 Any other votes? Nov 18 12:59:38 [ENDVOTE] Nov 18 12:59:40 Final result is 3 for, 2 against. 1 abstained. Total: 1 Nov 18 13:00:09 Now what do I do? should we vote for two weeks too? Nov 18 13:00:19 yes Nov 18 13:00:20 vote for one month Nov 18 13:00:39 * costales has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) Nov 18 13:00:40 [VOTE] for meetings every two weeks Nov 18 13:00:41 Please vote on: for meetings every two weeks. Nov 18 13:00:42 Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot Nov 18 13:00:42 E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting Nov 18 13:00:45 +1 Nov 18 13:00:47 +1 received from charlie-tca. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 Nov 18 13:00:54 +1 Nov 18 13:00:54 +1 received from beardygnome. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 Nov 18 13:01:05 +0 Nov 18 13:01:05 Abstention received from mr_pouit. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 Nov 18 13:02:03 +0 Nov 18 13:02:04 Abstention received from vinnl. 2 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 2 Nov 18 13:02:22 +0 Nov 18 13:02:23 Abstention received from mhall119. 2 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 2 Nov 18 13:02:38 [ENDVOTE] Nov 18 13:02:39 Final result is 2 for, 0 against. 3 abstained. Total: 2 Nov 18 13:03:07 I am not sure that did any good. If we have meetings every week, we get more attendance, it looks like. Nov 18 13:03:33 Some people will make every other meeting, which is great! Nov 18 13:03:54 I think the second vote was pointless. plan on meeting every week Nov 18 13:04:10 charlie-tca: if you're happy to run the meeting every week then go with every week Nov 18 13:04:35 [AGREED] Xubuntu community meetings will be held every week on Thursday at 19:00 UTC Nov 18 13:04:36 AGREED received: Xubuntu community meetings will be held every week on Thursday at 19:00 UTC Nov 18 13:04:47 if weekly meetings doesn't work you can always fall back on not doing them :) Nov 18 13:04:59 If I miss a week, someone else should feel free to chair Nov 18 13:05:10 * Ursinha is now known as Ursinha-afk Nov 18 13:05:26 And now, Nov 18 13:05:30 I'm not sure if that's going to happen :P Nov 18 13:05:36 [TOPIC] Any other business Nov 18 13:05:37 New Topic: Any other business Nov 18 13:05:57 going, Nov 18 13:06:02 is Xubuntu going to automatically benefit from the work being done to reduce the size of the Ubuntu ISO? Nov 18 13:06:28 Not necessarily. It depends on what they do Nov 18 13:06:32 * mvo has quit (Quit: Ex-Chat) Nov 18 13:06:45 * brianchidester has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds) Nov 18 13:06:49 When they cut gimp, it did not help us Nov 18 13:07:20 going, Nov 18 13:07:28 they're dropping perl deps Nov 18 13:07:33 and re-building packages to be smaller Nov 18 13:07:37 optimizing images Nov 18 13:07:38 etc Nov 18 13:07:48 mr_pouit: that should help, right? Nov 18 13:07:56 https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/performance-desktop-n-install-footprint Nov 18 13:08:15 yeah, for the ones that are done automatically (png optimization) Nov 18 13:08:17 [LINK] https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/performance-desktop-n-install-footprint Nov 18 13:08:18 LINK received: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/performance-desktop-n-install-footprint Nov 18 13:08:37 (and also removal of packages' changelogs) Nov 18 13:09:18 I want to thank all of you for attending. Let's continue next week! :-) Nov 18 13:09:30 mhall119: does that work? Nov 18 13:09:31 same day/time? Nov 18 13:09:40 charlie-tca: does what work? Nov 18 13:09:49 the answer from mr_pouit Nov 18 13:09:56 oh, yeah, thanks Nov 18 13:10:10 Next meeting Thursday 19:00 UTC Nov 18 13:10:19 #endmeeting Nov 18 13:10:20 Meeting finished at 14:10. Nov 18 13:10:20 I'll be bugging you guys a lot more in the next 5 months, for sure Nov 18 13:10:29 Works for us Nov 18 13:10:49 should I hang out in #xubuntu or #xubuntu-devel? Nov 18 13:10:49 Thanks for chairing charlie-tca Nov 18 13:10:58 thankc charlie-tca Nov 18 13:11:00 mhall119: #xubuntu-devel Nov 18 13:11:05 *thanks Nov 18 13:11:08 mhall119: -devel if it's for development related questions :P Nov 18 13:11:12 * vish (~Vish@ubuntu/member/vish) has joined #ubuntu-meeting Nov 18 13:11:15 ok, thanks Nov 18 13:11:16 You are welcome. }}}