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17:00   heno    #startmeeting
17:01   heno    ... :( no bot
17:01   james_w I have something small to mention related to last week's meeting if you would give me a minute or two at the end.
17:01   heno    As stated the agenda is here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/Meetings
17:01   heno    james_w: sure
17:02   heno    topic: UDS topics - https://wiki.ubuntu.com/QATeam/UdsPrague
17:02   heno    There are still a few open slots in the schedule
17:02   heno    so please suggest topics
17:02   heno    (esp. if you will be present)
17:03   ogasawara       heno:  can we just add suggestions to the wiki and you'll work out the scheduling?
* stgraber waves
17:04   heno    I'll add a session about coherence in the use of LP as dholbach suggested
17:04   heno    hey stgraber
17:04   heno    ogasawara: it helps if you email me a reminder too
17:05   ogasawara       heno: ok will do, thanks.
17:05   heno    we can also schedule topics quite informally for FOSSCamp
17:05   stgraber        QA Tracker / QA Portal and Ubuntu Brainstorm stuff will have to be done at FOSSCamp
17:06   stgraber        also the Ubuntu package website stuff mvo asked for
17:06   heno    indeed. in fact we should split up that list in two parts
17:06   heno    mvo: will you be at FOSSCamp?
17:06   stgraber        he'll
17:07   heno    ok, thanks :)
17:07   heno    next
17:07   stgraber        jcastro sent the full list of attendees yesterday
17:07   heno    Mobile testing - the UME team could use some help with testing.
17:08   heno    I've sent an appeal to planet http://blog.omma.net/?p=8
17:08   pedro_  I've just added one topic
17:08   mvo     I played with the mobile stuff a bit and a big problem seems to be that test images are hard to find (and/or not available)
17:08   heno    pedro_: great, thanks
* mvo will be at fosscamp
17:09   cgregan The ones we are worried about are here: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/moblin/hardy/menlow/
17:09   heno    mvo: are these no good http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/moblin/hardy/menlow ?
17:10   heno    It's linked from https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Testing/Cases/UMEinstall but could perhaps be more prominent?
17:10   cgregan I could also link from Project Page in LP?
17:10   mvo     will that work on any hardware ? I heard (maybe wrong) that it requires recent intel chiptsets
17:11   cgregan Unless you have a Samsung Q1 you will need to use Xephyr
* mvo nods
17:11   cgregan The steps are in the wiki
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17:12   mvo     I wonder if it would be possible to produce images that can be booted into via e.g. kvm and that are ready made - so that a test would only require a system with kvm and a download.
17:12   mvo     but this is probably out of scope for now (and for this meeting) :)
17:12   cgregan lool is actually working on that
17:12   heno    It is a good point actually
17:13   mvo     it just crosssed my mind today when I setup a environement to test some hildon stuff
17:13   heno    A direct kvm image is proving tricky but what about a barebones ubuntu system + xephyr in full screen mode as a kvm image?
17:14   mvo     yeah, I talked to him about it. I think it would be a great help already to just have a manually build kvm image (with ubuntu-vm-builder) so that people can quickly port stuff to hildon/mobile (or just check what it looks like)
17:14   cgregan I agree
17:14   jcastro yes I was just going to say a flag in ubuntu-vm-builder would be great
17:14   mvo     that sounds fine as well
17:14   mvo     (what are the tricky bits with a direct kvm image? sorry I'm a bit ignorant about the finer details)
17:15   cgregan We want to ditch Xephyr as soon as possible since you run as root
17:15   mvo     lpia support was added to it (u-m-b) by lool and is in bzr already
17:15   heno    but root in a dedicated vm is not so bad (as a short term testing alternative anyway)
17:16   cgregan heno: I agree, but since you need MIC to manage the images anyway and Xephyr is built in..we did not create a VM with Xephyr
17:17   cgregan It is possible though
17:17   mvo     could we plug a additional backend to the m-i-c so that it produces kvm images as a additional "device" ?
17:18   heno    (MIC = Moblin Image Creator, btw)
17:18   cgregan mvo: I think that is what lool is working on...a script that can be run to kvm-ize a UME build
17:19   cgregan We also want to ditch MIC as soon as we can too...so very little is being integrated or changed there
17:20   cgregan heno: thanks..forgot not all have heard of this thing! :-)
17:20   heno    I'll have a go a creating a bastardised Xephyr based VM image
17:20   heno    ok, next
17:21   heno    The next meeting would normally be next Wednesday
17:21   heno    but several of us will be travelling
17:21   heno    can we move it to Tuesday same time?
17:22   heno    or 16.00 UTC even?
17:22   pedro_  1900 UTC right?
17:22   pedro_  both are ok for me
17:22   heno    either works for me
17:22   stgraber        date and time work for me
17:22   heno    slight preference for 16.00 perhaps
17:22   ogasawara       I'd prefer 16.00 if possible
17:23   bdmurray        1600 is fine here
17:23   stgraber        ok, so Tuesday 16:00 ?
17:23   pedro_  let's go for it then ;-)
17:23   heno    great!
17:23   cgregan heno: we would run over our talk, but otherwise is ok
17:23   heno    I'll mail the list about the change
17:23   pedro_  ok I'm updating the wiki page now
17:23   heno    cgregan: we can perhaps move that
17:24   cgregan Sure...anytime after 1600 is good
17:24   heno    I'm actually not really at work on Tuesday anyway
17:24   heno    james_w: can we have your topic?
17:24   james_w sure, it's a quick one.
17:25   james_w I saw at the last meeting you were outlining some new QA Team Roles.
17:25   james_w I mentioned these to someone, and she pointed out that the forums feedback coordinator role had a lot of overlap with the mission of the forum ambassadors
17:26   james_w she said the later project is not that active currently, but it may be somewhere to find interested people.
17:27   heno    james_w: indeed. I think the ambassadors project could benefit from well-focused missions like this one
17:27   heno    I think one reason it didn't take root was that it was too broad
17:28   james_w cool, I just wanted to bring it up. Thanks for your time.
17:28   heno    I'll mention it for a few people I know who are involved in the ambassadors project
17:28   heno    thanks james_w
17:28   heno    any other topics?
17:29   stgraber        nope
17:29   heno    right, thanks everyone!
17:29   pedro_  thanks
17:29   heno    #endmeeting