{{{ 03:02 Riddell hi all 03:02 rraphink hi Riddell 03:02 gnomefreak hi 03:02 rraphink hi Hobbsee 03:02 imbrandon hey Riddell 03:02 Hobbsee hi rraphink, Riddell, gnomefreak, imbrandon 03:02 mikix hi everybody 03:02 gnomefreak hi Hobbsee ;) 03:03 Riddell lets start with names so we know who's here 03:03 Hobbsee hi mikix === Riddell is Jonathan Riddell === Hobbsee is Sarah Hobbs === rraphink is Raphael Pinson === seaLne is Kenny Duffus === gnomefreak John Vivirito === nixternal is Rich Johnson === OculusAquilae is Bastian Holst === mindspin is markus wimmer === imbrandon is Brandon Holtsclaw === Tonio_ is Anthony Mercatante === kwwii is Kenneth Wimer 03:04 Riddell good turnout :) === allee is Achim Bohnet 03:04 Riddell anyone here for membership? 03:04 allee hmm, no toma. I jabber him 03:04 Hobbsee Riddell: very, yeah. i'd liked to have seen lure and jjesse too... 03:05 imbrandon Riddell, looks like 03:05 imbrandon # 03:05 Hobbsee we have quorum, good. 03:05 imbrandon RichJohnson aka nixternal 03:05 Hobbsee Riddell: nixternal's a special case - the first two people on the CC ack'd him, and they were waiting on mako...and waiting...and waiting.. 03:05 Riddell anyone know Andrej, Jay M. Mapalo, Rafael Proena, or rouzic? 03:06 rraphink ah right 03:06 rraphink Riddell: many of them have no wiki page 03:06 nixternal heh, sorry, was getting coffee... Hobbsee, i'm always a special case 03:06 Hobbsee Riddell: nope 03:06 Hobbsee hehe 03:06 imbrandon Riddell, not i 03:06 allee Riddell: no 03:06 gnomefreak me neither 03:06 Riddell I should probably e-mail them and ask why they signed up, they could well be involved with something we're not in contact with like translations 03:06 Riddell we should do nixternal then 03:07 rraphink translations you can see on LP 03:07 Riddell nixternal: care to introduce yourself? 03:07 nixternal heh, ok...here we go!!! 03:07 Hobbsee Riddell: yeah, then lets to artwork, and doco if jjesse makes it, then discuss anythign else === nixternal is Rich Johnson, 32 years old, Chicago Illinois, US....Sys Admin by trade 03:07 Hobbsee nixternal: please tell me your intro has been shortened.... 03:08 rraphink hehe 03:08 nixternal i work with the doc team, wiki team, marketing team...do bug triage, support stuff, forums, irc, bug you guys...and just had my first packaged uploaded this week 03:08 nixternal short enough Hobbsee? 03:08 nixternal 03:08 Hobbsee nixternal: launchpad page link :P 03:08 imbrandon wiki page ? 03:08 nixternal you caught me offguard, so i didn't get to c/p my other one 03:08 Riddell nixternal: you're doing the switching from windows doc right? 03:08 nixternal https://launchpad.net/people/nixternal 03:08 nixternal yes Riddell 03:08 Riddell nixternal: how's that going? 03:09 nixternal it is just starting right now...we have the base down, and now we are in the process of gathering content 03:09 Riddell I'm looking forward to it 03:09 nixternal there could very well end up being various versions as the community excitement is quite high for the documentation 03:09 nixternal as i am 03:10 rraphink nixternal: how are you related to Kubuntu in particular? 03:10 rraphink (I mean vs. Ubuntu in general) 03:10 Hobbsee with the new user config tool, mentioned in your wiki page, may i mention that the way amarok handles mp3 support is *very* clever. right now, it's broken, but i have a fix that i'm going to test soon on my hard drive. 03:10 nixternal i support mainly kubuntu since all i have really used is kde for years...i am helping jjesse with all of the kubuntu documentation 03:10 rraphink ok 03:11 nixternal i am picking up the packaging aspect with the help of Hobbsee and imbrandon === imbrandon notes for everyone nixternal is the founder of the Chicago LoCo team and active in the Bug Squad / Laptop Testing / Documentation and IRC 03:11 nixternal im gettin' ready to go back to school to knock the programming rust off, since i decided to change fields about 10 years ago and quit programming 03:11 gnomefreak and marketing === Hobbsee looks. specs are *way* too high for karma! 03:11 mindspin and he is one of the few kubuntu guys in the marketing team 03:12 nixternal oooh..gnomefreak, if jenda seen i introduced myself and didn't say i was part of the marketing team i would never hear the end of it thanks 03:12 Riddell we have a marketing team? cool 03:12 nixternal ya Riddell 03:12 rraphink :) 03:12 gnomefreak yw nixternal 03:12 toma vote++ 03:12 rraphink sounds very nice 03:12 Tonio_ did knew this ! sounds nice 03:12 gnomefreak yep ;) 03:12 allee anyone that worked directly with nixternal? comments? 03:12 nixternal plus the classroom 03:12 gnomefreak hes alsoa big part of NuN 03:12 rraphink nixternal: is the classroom related to the MOTU school anyhow? 03:12 nixternal in the forums helping out...both ubuntu and kubuntu of course 03:13 [Nirvana] He's a member of Kubuntuforums.net, good guy 03:13 nixternal no rraphink..it is the NewUserNetwork 03:13 imbrandon allee, i work with him alot, he is very active on irc helping and learing packaing 03:13 [Nirvana] and a damn fast typer... jeez 03:13 nixternal heh 03:13 gnomefreak i think hes doing great in every team he is a part in 03:13 nixternal 150+ wpm 03:13 rraphink :) 03:13 Hobbsee allee: yeah, i've worked with him, sometimes poking him to do various bits of documentation, and helping him out with packaging 03:13 nixternal and chasing with the big pointy stick 03:13 Riddell so lets vote 03:14 allee Hobbsee: don't steal too much time from him documentation writing time ;) 03:14 Tonielmo ack 03:14 Hobbsee nixternal: well... 03:14 rraphink +1 03:14 Riddell toma: want to go first? :) 03:14 Hobbsee +1 03:14 rraphink Tonio_: lol 03:14 Tonio_ raphink: ^^ I promissed to do it one day :) 03:14 rraphink Tonio_: hehe :) 03:14 Riddell +1 from me 03:14 Tonio_ +1 for me based on jjesse feedback, since I discussed a lot with him concerning the docs a few weeks ago 03:14 Riddell welcome to kubuntu membership nixternal 03:14 toma +1 === allee +1 for nixternal. 03:15 nixternal ty very much guys!!!! you all rock!!!! 03:15 Tonio_ nixternal: welcome aboard 03:15 imbrandon congrats nixternal ;) 03:15 nixternal thank you!!! 03:15 gnomefreak congrats nixternal 03:15 rraphink welcome nixternal :) === nixternal feels special!!! 03:15 [Nirvana] congrats 03:15 nixternal lol 03:15 Riddell nixternal: I'll do the tick box thing after the meeting, poke me if I forget 03:15 allee well that was an easy choice 03:15 Hobbsee :) === kdw [n=kdw@c-67-164-4-24.hsd1.ca.comcast.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:15 kwwii get to work nixternal :-) 03:15 Hobbsee hehe 03:15 nixternal gahah 03:15 nixternal will do 03:15 rraphink kwwii: haha 03:15 allee congrats nixternal 03:15 Hobbsee kwwii: artwork status update? 03:15 Riddell Hobbsee suggested we go with an artwork update 03:15 nixternal after the meeting of course 03:15 Hobbsee seeing as you've just said that? 03:15 nixternal thank you everyone 03:15 kwwii ok, really quickly: === omeow wonders if someone ever got rejected. 03:15 Riddell omeow: yes 03:15 Hobbsee kwwii: i like the current usplash :P 03:15 kwwii until now we have specs which say that we are replacing the usplash, KDM, Desktop splash and Wallpaper. 03:15 imbrandon omeow, yes 03:15 Hobbsee omeow: yeah, last meeting, actually === Mithrandir [n=tfheen@c5100BC63.inet.catch.no] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:16 nixternal yes omeow, tis why i waited a while 03:16 Hobbsee hi Mithrandir 03:16 kwwii I think we should also think about changing the app-start page for konqi as well as the help center. 03:16 rraphink Hobbsee: I think the current usplash is not kwwii's 03:16 Hobbsee ah 03:16 Mithrandir hi again, Hobbsee 03:16 Hobbsee whoever's it is === j_ack [n=nico@p508DA2C3.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:16 kwwii Hobbsee: no, it is mine 03:16 Hobbsee ah :) 03:16 rraphink kwwii: like my wallpaper ? :)= === Hobbsee only installed edgy today - give her a break! 03:16 Riddell kwwii: my slight concern with that is we'd be diverging from the KDE stuff a bit 03:16 kwwii ahhh, actually I haven't checked edgy yet === freeflying [n=freeflyi@ubuntu/member/freeflying] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:17 kwwii Riddell: so let's change the KDE stuff too 03:17 imbrandon and the default window deco , crystal is ugly imo ;) 03:17 Riddell kwwii: also the app-start page for konqi should in theory be mirrored in kontact, kmail, kcontrol, akgregator and kbabel 03:17 kwwii imbrandon: good point, I have an update for that too 03:17 kwwii Riddell: yepp, I know 03:17 allee imbrandon: what's ugly is up to the artits to decide ;) 03:17 kwwii we would need to do them all 03:17 imbrandon allee, yea ;) 03:17 kwwii that is why I am asking here instead of just barging ahead as normal 03:18 allee imbrandon: and we tell them if it's usable and acceptable ;) 03:18 Hobbsee imbrandon: i didnt think crystal was the current window deco, was it? i thought that was polyester 03:18 kwwii so what does everyone think about that? 03:18 imbrandon Riddell, whats wrong with diverging form kde as far as artwork ( k-d-s ) ? === Hobbsee grabs a drink, and tries to make sense of all this. 03:18 imbrandon Hobbsee, not in edgy 03:18 imbrandon leaste not yet === kozz [i=kozz@213.66.184.18] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:19 allee kwwii: consistent artwork is good to have 03:19 Riddell imbrandon: I've always positioned kubuntu a being close to KDE from an artwork view 03:19 Riddell but if kwwii can come up with some rocking design then lets do it 03:19 imbrandon allee, consistant with whom though, if we are taketing switchovers from windows or kde ? 03:19 allee kwwii: but IMHO comon icons/themes first, then app specific stuff === gnomefreak likes the wallpaper (simple and nice) in edgy kubuntu 03:19 kwwii http://bootsplash.org/snapshot3.png shows my desktop with the changes I have made so far 03:20 kwwii I will still update the buttons 03:20 allee imbrandon: consistent as 'used in Kubuntu' 03:20 nixternal heh, and it's purple 03:20 Hobbsee kwwii: would you be talking a colour change, etc, or changing the way the buttons are located? 03:20 imbrandon allee, ahh yes 03:20 Riddell kwwii: which buttons 03:20 Hobbsee kwwii: pretty :) 03:20 Riddell ? 03:20 imbrandon allee, i agree totaly but i do think the artwork for kubutu shouldent be a clone of every other kde setup out there , i'm not saying the FUNCTION just the artwork 03:20 allee kwwii: brown folder icons? 03:21 Riddell I think we're onto a winner with the purple 03:21 kwwii Hobbsee: check that screenshot and you'll see that I changed the gradients used in the titlebar, the colors, and the window buttons in the titlebar need new pixmaps, as those do not fit 03:21 Hobbsee :) 03:21 imbrandon Riddell, the min max close 03:21 [Nirvana] kubuntu edgy is purple? === nixternal admits that is a 'nice' shade of purple kwwii 03:21 kwwii imbrandon: exactly 03:21 Hobbsee kwwii: right, okay 03:21 Hobbsee [Nirvana] : yes 03:21 Hobbsee kwwii: i'm not great on artwork stuff :) 03:21 kwwii :-) 03:21 Tonio_ I'm not a fan of purple, but that's probably interesting since this color isn't widely used 03:22 Hobbsee Tonio_: next time suggest pink, mmm kay? 03:22 Hobbsee :P 03:22 nixternal just on gentoo 03:22 Tonio_ and since it is kwwii, I'm of course self confident is the result === jeekl [n=crz@h169n1c1o1104.bredband.skanova.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:22 kwwii the good thing is, if I do it right, we could change the purple to blue pretty quickly if things don't work out well 03:22 Tonio_ nixternal: at least it is more original than blue.... 03:22 Tonio_ ;) 03:22 mindspin the brown folders look stragnge to me 03:22 nixternal oh i totally agree 03:22 gnomefreak while were ont her topic is there any way to intergrate a "themes changer" so new users can do it without compiling themes? 03:22 nixternal i actually like it...i said as long as it wasn't 'barney purple' 03:22 [Nirvana] kinda reminds me of the kubuntu amsn theme 03:22 Hobbsee kwwii: my personal opinion: assuming we're discussing colours, etc, i'm fine with it changing to be whatever - but we probably shouldnt change from the kde defaults, unless we have a good reason to 03:22 imbrandon yea the brown does look a bit strange against the purple 03:23 kwwii Hobbsee: I totally agree 03:23 Hobbsee gnomefreak: it's there, in system settings. but system settings is a confusing mess. 03:23 gnomefreak ah ok 03:23 omeow Is the kicker going to stay that size by default too? 03:23 Hobbsee kwwii: cool :) in fact, in one of my points i'm wanting to revert a couple of changes 03:23 allee Tonio_: that purple is not used often may have a reason that is not originality 03:23 kwwii the brown icons are just a test I did when I made that screenshot 03:23 Riddell omeow: no 03:23 omeow Ok, good. :) 03:23 kwwii Hobbsee: like what? 03:23 imbrandon Hobbsee, we have a good reason , we;re not kde ;) i do think the artwork for kubutu shouldent be a clone of every other kde setup out there , i'm not saying the FUNCTION just the artwork 03:24 Hobbsee kwwii: the change to konq that i want to make? 03:24 Hobbsee imbrandon: yeah, exactly 03:24 [Nirvana] um, this may sound silly, but why is the default k menu the K instead of the kubuntu logo? 03:24 kwwii Hobbsee: if we change the kde stuff as well, and simply use a few different pics for kubuntu that is pretty much the same 03:25 Hobbsee kwwii: cool :) 03:25 omeow I don't like the switch user, lock session and log out buttons. 03:25 Riddell [Nirvana] : because we don't want to hide our KDE-ness 03:25 imbrandon [Nirvana] , becosue kwwii hasent designed us a uber leet kubuntu button ;) 03:25 allee imbrandon: we should take the best from KDE and not preplace it just because we want to be different 03:25 omeow The ones in dapper are nice because they each have a different colour. Making it easy to distinguish. 03:25 [Nirvana] I saw one around 03:25 [Nirvana] easyubuntu used to be able to change it to the kubuntu logo === nixternal wants to see the 'reinhardt' style come back 03:25 kwwii we could make a crystal kubuntu logo for use there if there is interest === Hobbsee reads back to see what kwwii is actually wanting approval over - to play with colours and see what looks good, right? 03:26 allee imbrandon: and if something is not that good, we should try better and give back so next time it's in KDE 03:26 imbrandon allee, right, but look at ubuntu branding , they have the logo on the application menu etc i think we should do some of the same 03:26 freeflying kwwii: nice, some icons like osx's :) 03:26 kwwii oh, and the spinner in konqueror should be improved 03:26 Riddell Hobbsee: it was the new about:konq and help centre graphics 03:26 kwwii freeflying: that is the oxygen set we are working on 03:26 mindspin I agree with omeow concerning the switch user etc. buttons 03:27 Riddell kwwii: that's rendered from a 3d model, I'd need to dig up the guy who did it 03:27 Hobbsee Riddell: right, that's what i thought. we've just gone veering off somehow. 03:27 mindspin colours would be nice 03:27 Hobbsee +1 mindspin 03:27 Riddell Hobbsee: that happens with artwork 03:27 Hobbsee Riddell: hehe, true. 03:27 imbrandon ;) 03:28 kwwii well, the dapper release was kinda quick, as I started during the UI sprint === Hobbsee just learned a new way to get back to the first konq screen. nice! 03:29 Riddell kwwii: so looking good, new about:konq and help centre should be good too 03:29 Riddell shall we move on? 03:29 imbrandon yup 03:29 kwwii yepp 03:29 Riddell no jjesse, tsk 03:29 Hobbsee +1 to moving on 03:29 Hobbsee Riddell: yeah, he was trying to make it === allee agrees with Hobbsee 03:29 Riddell we should go to the agenda then http://wiki.kubuntu.org/Kubuntu/Meetings 03:29 Riddell [Nirvana] : you're first 03:29 Hobbsee Riddell: who's chairing? i added a lot to the agenda :P 03:30 [Nirvana] whoops sorry 03:30 imbrandon [Nirvana] , your css stuff 03:30 [Nirvana] trying 03:30 [Nirvana] msgs aren't being sent 03:30 Riddell we can read you here, please introduce it 03:30 [Nirvana] So yeah, I made like 3-4 css changes to the kubuntu page 03:31 Riddell [Nirvana] : which one? 03:31 Hobbsee [Nirvana] : link to it? 03:31 seaLne is there a working version of http://halovids.buildyourforum.com/x/test.html somewhere? 03:31 Hobbsee the pastebin link is dead too. 03:31 imbrandon while we're waiting for [Nirvana] i think what he is talking aobut can be filed against website-bugs and have the website team change the template if Riddell or whome ever agrees 03:31 [Nirvana] change buildyourforum to globalnetworld 03:31 [Nirvana] could be ^ 03:32 [Nirvana] it's a cross, because it's about kubuntu and should use kubuntu colours, but is about the release (http://us.releases.ubuntu.com/releases/kubuntu/6.06/ ) page 03:32 seaLne yep 03:32 Riddell http://halovids.globalnetworld.com/x/test.html 03:32 Riddell [Nirvana] : the icons needs crystalised :) 03:32 [Nirvana] I didn't change any icons 03:32 Riddell imbrandon: this isn't the website, it's managed quite differently 03:33 [Nirvana] just css 03:33 imbrandon crystal or oxygen ;) 03:33 nixternal Riddell: i can make a brief statement about kubuntu docs, however i don't know how detailed jjesse was planning 03:33 Riddell Kamion: how easy is it to have different CSS and icons for the Kubuntu pages on cdimage? 03:34 Hobbsee that page is quite badly laid out for new users - probably needs a section on what .manifest and .torrent, etc, are 03:34 imbrandon Riddell, releases no cdimage right ? cdimage is old i think 03:34 Hobbsee but anyway, that's not a kubuntu issue 03:34 Riddell imbrandon: cdimage is daily, releases is final things, they both come from the same teamplates 03:34 imbrandon ahh 03:35 Riddell [Nirvana] : I've no idea how easy this is, I'll talk to Kamion when he's around and find out, if it's not hard I'll make the changes 03:35 [Nirvana] what I did was go to the release page (where you download the iso) and saved it with firefox, then open uo nvu and change some css, I didn't touch any text/icons or anything 03:35 [Nirvana] the added css is in the source underneath the @imports 03:36 kwwii guess we should use our own icons for that page too, or? 03:36 Riddell kwwii: ideally yes 03:36 Riddell but it's not the most important thing in the world, I'll only do it if it's easy 03:36 Hobbsee [Nirvana] : the "comment" on your next agenda item is this? Burning a VCD from AVI files is even trickier. In very broad strokes, youll need to install K3b, a CD burning program, and a package called VCDimager, and tell K3b where its located. Youll also need a command-line program called FFmpeg to convert AVI files to MPG, which is the format that K3b uses. Sounds complicated? It is, but its doable. 03:36 kwwii then let's dig those up from crystal, if it is technically possible 03:36 Hobbsee [Nirvana] : would be good if you'd listed which bit you wanted to talk about in the agenda, FYI 03:38 Kamion Riddell: not particularly hard, file a bug on /products/ubuntu-cdimage with what you want changed 03:38 Riddell Kamion: ok, cool 03:38 Kamion Riddell: would prefer not massively different CSS === claydoh [n=clay@bb-66-63-100-239.gwi.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:38 Kamion at the moment I just use that from the Ubuntu website; if I can just use that from the Kubuntu website, that's cool 03:38 allee [Nirvana] : as you're an CSS expert. Check kubuntu wiki css why the fonts are different from default font size used in kubuntu 03:39 Kamion don't want to get into maintaining different CSS locally though === Nirvana [n=marco@CPE0080c8292db5-CM000f9f5158ce.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:39 Kamion Hobbsee: ditto for you, bugs welcome 03:40 Hobbsee Kamion: hehe. just watch me assign the entire archive to you :P 03:40 imbrandon lol 03:40 Riddell welcome back Nirvana, you have another agenda idem 03:40 Nirvana weird lagged out... 03:40 Kamion I can reject just as quickly as anyone else :P 03:40 nixternal note weird, but typical 03:40 Nirvana ahh 03:40 nixternal s/note/not 03:40 nixternal 03:40 Nirvana OK, 03:40 Riddell Nirvana: Kamion says it should be possible to get a different stylesheet used for those kubuntu pages so that should be doable 03:41 Nirvana comment: "As an addendum, I tried sharing the printer using Samba, but this task is really more difficult than it should be. Nobody should have to edit configuration files or to scour the mailing lists simply to share a printer on the network." 03:41 Kamion as long as it's maintained somewhere other than cdimage === Sho_ [i=ehs1@konversation/developer/hein] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:41 Hobbsee hi Sho_! 03:41 Sho_ moin 03:41 Hobbsee Sho_: welcome to the kubuntu meeting :) 03:41 Riddell Nirvana: we have a spec to turn on easy printer sharing, I don't know what's required to get that working with samba 03:42 Nirvana ahh, so deferred? or should I continue with what he said? 03:42 imbrandon moins Sho_ , Kamion like on kubuntu.org or some such and just linked from the html is cdimage ? sounds like a good plan 03:42 Riddell Nirvana: does he say what needs done? 03:42 Nirvana kinda 03:42 Nirvana comment: I did try a number of solutions, but so far, no luck. This REALLY should be a matter of right-clicking the printer and opening up a share menu. Unfortunately, this is one of those areas that still needs improvement in making this distro even more user-friendly. Jerome, maybe this is something you can get intoa simple GUI method of sharing a printer on an Ubuntu machine? 03:43 Kamion I've changed the CSS on http://releases.ubuntu.com/kubuntu/dapper/ to be http://www.kubuntu.org/ubuntu.css; does that look better now? (you might have to reload a few times to catch a mirror that's updated) 03:43 Kamion obviously the icons still need to be done 03:43 Nirvana beautiful 03:43 Nirvana except === GNAM [n=GNAM@host199-235.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting === digitalmouse [n=jimm@p5481E19E.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:44 Nirvana the cd downloads don't have a border bottom of 100% that's blue, they're just links 03:44 digitalmouse greetings programs! just here to listen in on the next meeting... (loggin in case I need to step out) 03:44 Riddell Kamion: still looks brown to me 03:44 digitalmouse logging* 03:44 Kamion Riddell: keep reloading 03:44 Nirvana wait... it just turned brown when I refreshed 03:44 Riddell oh, it'll need to sync to all the servers of course 03:44 seaLne yeah it is working 03:45 Kamion Nirvana: the download list is just apache's fancy directory listing, I can't easily change that 03:45 Nirvana I figured 03:45 Nirvana but I didn't mean that 03:46 seaLne you ment the Desktop CD and Alternate install CD section headers? 03:46 Riddell hmm, it's missing some underlines on the headers 03:46 Kamion oh, that's CSS for
, feel free to change the CSS on the website or provide me a URL on kubuntu.org with CSS that fixes that 03:46 Riddell Kamion: ok, will do 03:47 Riddell Nirvana: not much I can do about smb printer sharing frontends without knowing what needs done to the backend, if you could research that it would be cool 03:48 seaLne h3 dosen't have border-bottom: 2px solid #6e8ec1; 03:48 Riddell seaLne: yeah, it looked bad on kubuntu.org 03:48 Riddell imbrandon: firefox themes 03:48 imbrandon ok this is all pertaining to edgy 03:48 imbrandon Suggest creating firefox-kubuntu ( theme ) package to complement the new firefox-ubuntu ( theme ) dep so Kubuntu users who choose firefox don't have to deal with the brown theme ( can this not be a dep of u-d-s and not firefox so k-d-s can add a dep of firefox-kubuntu for the artwork/theme or even add it right to k-d-s ) 03:48 Riddell I've not looked at the new stuff in ubuntu for this, I've no idea how easy it is to adapt === Hobbsee thinks imbrandon should make it. === nixternal too 03:49 Hobbsee imbrandon: there's a couple of links made on the...oh, where is it... 03:49 Riddell imbrandon: we can probably get firefox to depend on one or the other I'm not sure 03:49 imbrandon well my main this is why did they dep it on firefox and not uds , like when i installed edgy yesterday my ff is/was all browish ;) 03:49 Riddell ogra: what happened in eadubuntu with respect to ubuntu-firefox? 03:50 seaLne maybe if it is left brown they will use konq :) 03:50 imbrandon lol seaLne === Hobbsee shoots that wiki.kubuntu.org errror. 03:50 nixternal hehe Hobbsee 03:50 ogra Riddell, with regard to what ? the startpage? === Nrvana [n=marco@CPE0080c8292db5-CM000f9f5158ce.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:50 Riddell ogra: the new themeing stuff 03:50 nixternal wiki.ubuntu.com does the same thing w/o the error 03:50 Hobbsee imbrandon: there's a couple of links made on https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MOTU/Packages/Candidates/Kubuntu with respect to that, no idea how easy it is to implement 03:50 Nrvana OK, lag out #2 03:50 Riddell ogra: I thought I saw you saying it looked bad in edubuntu 03:50 ogra nothing yet, i'm not happy about it 03:51 imbrandon Hobbsee, i know it is, but partialy itss a case of getting ubuntu-dev to dep firefox-ubuntu on uds not firefox its self 03:51 ogra we'll either have to ship our own theme or switch to epiphany ... 03:51 ogra the latter is very likely sonce we need it for kiosk mode anyway 03:51 Hobbsee ogra: ooh, i have a screensaver bug to assign to you. === kwwii_ [n=kwwii@p5495771B.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:51 Hobbsee ogra: https://launchpad.net/bugs/49228 03:51 Ubugtu Malone bug 49228 in kdeartwork "kscreensaver-xsavers installed but screensavers from xscreensaver-gl missing" [Untriaged,Unconfirmed] 03:51 Nrvana can someone kick [Nirvana] 03:52 ogra Hobbsee, go ahead :) 03:52 kwwii_ erm, my client died 03:52 kwwii_ sorry 03:52 Hobbsee kwwii_: ghost it. /msg nickserv ghost kwwii yourpassword 03:52 Riddell imbrandon: I imagine it's just a case of making a kubuntu-firefox package and having firefox depend on ubuntu-firefox | kubuntu-firefox 03:52 Hobbsee Nrvana: same thing 03:52 Riddell but I'm not sure without looking at it 03:52 imbrandon Riddell, see what i'm saying about the deps, if it deped on uds it wouldent be an issue at all for kubuntu 03:53 imbrandon Riddell, true ( and the creation of kubuntu-firefox ) 03:53 Hobbsee imbrandon: we cant really have a kubuntu-firefox as a dep of kubuntu-desktop, for the same reason as kscreensaver-xsavers as part of k0d 03:53 seaLne except wouldn't you get it without having ff? 03:53 Riddell imbrandon: actually firefox-themes-ubuntu seemas to have multiple themes, maybe we could just put a crystal theme in there 03:53 Hobbsee seaLne: exactly 03:54 kwwii_ Hobbsee: and what does that do exactly? 03:54 imbrandon Riddell, probbly and make it default to that on kubuntu 03:54 Hobbsee kwwii_: ghosts your deaded client, and lets you /nick kwwii :) 03:54 Riddell imbrandon: yep 03:54 omeow Can you make firefox/thunderbird stop using the gnome user interface convention? === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has left #ubuntu-meeting [] === sladen [i=paul@starsky.19inch.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:54 imbrandon omeow, sorta 03:55 kwwii_ Hobbsee: well, that does not seem to work either, but anyway...for another place this conversation is 03:55 Riddell imbrandon: could you look at doing that? 03:55 imbrandon Riddell, sure i would love to ;) 03:55 nixternal FILEPICKER_CONTRACTID 03:55 Riddell rocking 03:55 Riddell imbrandon: you have another agenda item 03:55 Hobbsee and then it's my entire section :P 03:55 imbrandon riefly ask Riddell to explain what packages Kubuntu wants tested for backporting and if there is a list/wikipage with them listed and what the current status of backports are -- imbrandon 2006-07-17 00:31:37 03:55 imbrandon heh 03:55 Sho_ One of the bigger problems with FF and TB is the button order in dialog boxes 03:55 imbrandon s/^/B/g 03:56 Sho_ But considering they use "KDE button order" on Windows, too, I assume there's a way to get it to use it on Linux, too 03:56 imbrandon Sho_, yea i know how to fix that i'll see if i can incorp it into ubuntu-firefox-themes 03:56 Riddell imbrandon: kaffine has been tested, dbus needs to be done, anything else you can think of too 03:56 Sho_ imbrandon: That would be nice === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 03:57 Riddell imbrandon: with infinity back we might even get the backports processed at some point 03:57 Hobbsee imbrandon: did you see what crimsun said earlier w.r.t. backports in #kubuntu-devel? 03:57 Riddell Hobbsee: nope 03:57 imbrandon Hobbsee, no 03:57 Riddell what did he say? 03:58 Hobbsee Riddell: explained the process of backporting something, pointed to the !backports link 03:58 Hobbsee if you want to join the team, you join it on LP 03:58 Hobbsee kwwii: yay :) 03:58 imbrandon Riddell, rockin , /me has been waiting on the kbfx backport he filed a while ago 03:58 Riddell Hobbsee: do you know if they're currently happening? 03:58 imbrandon gah you got me saing rockin now LOL 03:59 Riddell "they're blocked on the buildd admins having the infrastructure" guess not 03:59 Hobbsee Riddell: not at the moment, buildd people dont know how ot put thru the backports, or something 03:59 Riddell it needs soyuz support 03:59 Hobbsee yeah 03:59 imbrandon soyuz support, yea thats what crimsun said 03:59 imbrandon what does that mean exatly lol 03:59 toma soyus? 04:00 Riddell soyuz is the part of launchpad that manages the buildds and archives 04:00 Hobbsee soyuz is something strange that i dont really know about, but has something to do with launchpad. 04:00 imbrandon ahh === imbrandon will look into joining the backport team and learn all of this 04:00 Riddell groovy 04:00 Riddell so Hobbsee has some agenda items 04:01 imbrandon that way we have atleaste one kde guy on there ;) 04:01 Hobbsee Riddell: heh, yes, some. 04:01 toma this is not the first release we do backports for... 04:01 Hobbsee Who wants to deal with kvpnc? Has it fallen off the edge of the world again? I see it's off the edgy packages list. 04:01 gnomefreak some? 04:01 Hobbsee debian and ubuntu digressed a lot, so it probably wont be a simple merge 04:01 imbrandon toma are there actualy any backports for breezy ? 04:01 Hobbsee gnomefreak: yeah, like over half of it 04:01 allee Hobbsee: kdelibs-bin is still on my TODO for kde-extras repo 04:01 Hobbsee imbrandon: sure there are 04:01 gnomefreak Hobbsee: i saw ;) 04:01 toma Hobbsee: i think someone who did kvpnc before 04:02 Hobbsee toma: cool, okay 04:02 Hobbsee allee: what about kdelibs-bin? 04:02 Hobbsee and which kde-extras repo? 04:02 toma Hobbsee: it contains patches and it is hard to guess if they are still needed 04:02 imbrandon kde-extras ? 04:02 Riddell Hobbsee: kde-extras is all the extragear stuff in debian 04:02 Hobbsee ah, right 04:02 Hobbsee allee: so kdelibs-bin needs to be removed from all that as well? cool 04:03 toma Hobbsee: http://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=pkg-kde-extras@lists.alioth.debian.org 04:03 Hobbsee all of the ubuntu repos have gotten rid of kdelibs-bin, except wlassistant, which seemed to be uploaded to the wrong distro by accident. 04:03 Hobbsee Riddell: Are amarok-arts packages being put in Edgy, for amarok 1.4.1? 04:03 Hobbsee Riddell: or are we removing amarok-arts from the archive? 04:04 Riddell Hobbsee: it should be removed 04:04 Hobbsee Riddell: ie, are we only distributing amarok-xine? 04:04 Hobbsee Riddell: and therefore what do we do with the gstreamer reports? 04:04 Riddell Hobbsee: which gstreamer reports? 04:04 Riddell Hobbsee: fabo is the man for kvpnc, we should poke him and see what the status is 04:04 Hobbsee Riddell: lots of bug reports about gstreamer in amarok on launchpad 04:05 Hobbsee Riddell: ah right, fabo is for that as well. 04:05 Riddell Hobbsee: gstreamer isn't the supported backend so tough on them, it doesn't even exist in edgy 04:05 allee Riddell, Hobbsee fabo is away until next week AFAIR 04:05 Riddell oh yes, fabo's away 04:05 Hobbsee Riddell: hehe, right, so someone can go do lots of bug closing :) === FunnyLookinHat [n=funnyloo@167.246.8.60] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:05 allee but we can add changes nevertheless ;) 04:05 Hobbsee Who's writing the UVF exception report for kopete? Where's the changelog again? i'm assuming that's my job, unless Riddell's doing it? === Sho_ notes that Konversation won't make the UVF either 04:06 Sho_ Or hasn't made it, actually 04:07 Hobbsee Sidenote: Anyone who wants to cheer for me for MOTU, on Tuesday's Tech Board meeting is welcome; it's at 2000UTC. 04:07 Riddell Hobbsee: I'll write it, poke me after the meeting so I don't forget 04:07 nixternal haha 04:07 Hobbsee Sho_: is konversation in main? guess it is. 04:07 Hobbsee Riddell: okay, cool, will do 04:07 imbrandon Hobbsee, yea its in main 04:07 Sho_ Hobbsee: It's in the default installation selection, FWIW 04:07 Riddell Sho_: any estimated release date? 04:07 Sho_ Riddell: Not before the end of August, I'd say 04:08 Sho_ Riddell: But it's a less painful migration than 0.18->0.19. While there will be a lot of feature work and many bugfixes, the preferences file format hasn't changed, unlike in 0.19 where extensive conversation scripts needed to run. 04:08 Sho_ Riddell: I.e. it should be fairly smooth all around. 04:08 Sho_ s/conversation/conversion/ === vincent_ [n=vincent@85.69.101.147] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:09 Riddell Sho_: I don't think it'll be a problem, so long as the release is stable 04:09 Hobbsee # 04:09 Hobbsee Gamin fixes from [WWW] https://wiki.kubuntu.org/KubuntuEdgyPackageUpdates - any packagers interested in doing these? I think we can start doing these after the Knot 1 freeze. I'm happy to sponsor people's uploads of this after the TB meeting. 04:09 Hobbsee # 04:09 Hobbsee ouch, dodgy paste. 04:09 Hobbsee as the next item 04:09 Hobbsee nixternal: i think might want to do some of these 04:09 Riddell note that gamin stuff is dependant on not using gamin actually working 04:09 imbrandon yea and i'll grab a few as time permits 04:09 Sho_ Riddell: The development version is more stable than 0.19 at this point, but there's major feature work still pending. We'll do a stabilization period with string freeze in any case, of course. === j_ack [n=nico@p508D86A1.dip0.t-ipconnect.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:10 Hobbsee Riddell: heh, so that's not final yet? 04:10 nixternal I'm gam(e)in 04:10 Riddell nixternal: that would be cool, it's entirely trivial just rebuild with build1 or ubuntu2 version numbers 04:11 nixternal unless of course it is a new upstream 04:11 Riddell Hobbsee: not definately final, but I the expectation is we're getting rid of gamin 04:11 Hobbsee Riddell: right, can you give me confirrmation if/when that actually happens, and i'll poke people to do the fixes? 04:11 Sho_ Riddell: Let me but it this way, what's the threshold date after which it becomes really inconvenient for Kubuntu to put it in? ;) 04:12 Hobbsee Sho_: universe freeze? we'd like to get testers using it as much as possible 04:12 Riddell Hobbsee, nixternal we might have lots of autoconf 2.60 trouble with the rebuilds 04:12 Hobbsee Riddell: yeah, kpowersave is bitten with that. 04:12 Riddell Sho_: September 7th feature freeze 04:12 Hobbsee Riddell: make sure you dont take your patch down off kubuntu.org w.r.t autoconf :P 04:12 Sho_ Riddell: ok 04:12 toma Riddell: autoconf 2.6 in edgy? 04:12 Riddell Hobbsee: it's staying there for a long time 04:13 Hobbsee Riddell: good :) 04:13 Riddell toma: yes, breaks lots of KDE stuff with admin/ directories that don't detect it 04:13 toma Riddell: there is a simple patch for that, but i guess you know that 04:13 nixternal oh fun 04:13 Riddell toma: yep 04:13 Hobbsee # 04:13 Hobbsee Can we get the views in konqueror reverted? (ie, be able to click on the button, and detailed list/icons/pictures view is shown, as is standard in KDE? What other changes might make sense to revert? 04:14 Hobbsee sorry - i dont have a screenshot of what it's like in kde 04:14 Kamion imbrandon: my loose plan for backports is to just port the freaking script over from the old archive infrastructure myself === tristanmike [n=tristanm@blk-224-253-165.eastlink.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:15 Kamion Riddell: the backports blocker at present is not infinity, it's on the archive side 04:15 Sho_ Riddell: Regarding the Konqueror menus, one problem I've experienced frequently during end-user support in #kde is that the "Safe View Changes Per Folder" toggle acction seems to be missing from Dapper's Konqueror entirely 04:15 imbrandon Kamion, cool , as i said i would like to look into joining the backport team too to look more into the k* stuff but i'll tend to that after the meeting 04:15 Hobbsee but in standard kde, the view, view mode, options are part of the same toolbar as back, forward, etc. what was the kubuntu rationale for changing this in the first place, and do we still want it that way? 04:16 Riddell Hobbsee: rationale is to not have lots of buttons in konqueror 04:16 Riddell Hobbsee: also it's quite badly implemented, should be a dropdown list not three dropdown buttons 04:16 Hobbsee Riddell: i'd think that those buttons were fairly obvious, and very useful. dropdown would be more effective, maybe. 04:17 imbrandon toolbar buttons bad, dropdown good 04:17 imbrandon if its not in the top 2% of actions it shouldent be a tollbar button 04:17 Riddell there's not really any space on the kubuntu konqueror layout to add them 04:17 imbrandon tool* 04:17 Hobbsee toolbar buttons are better than no option at all. 04:17 Hobbsee yeah, okay, maybe 04:17 Riddell Hobbsee: the option is there, in the View menu, but I agree it's not very convenient === Hobbsee will have to look to see what kde did with it. but that's on dapper === Hobbsee tends to swap options a lot. 04:18 Riddell Sho_: is that a menu item? 04:18 Hobbsee Riddell: it's not, but lets discuss it anyway. 04:18 Sho_ Riddell: In KDE's Konq it's in the "Settings" menu, yup 04:18 Hobbsee oh, oops === Hobbsee misread menu as meeting 04:19 Riddell Sho_: hmm, sounds like more suited to a configuration dialogue option 04:19 Riddell it's not something you change lots 04:19 Sho_ Riddell: Actually it's two items, "Save View Changes Per Folder" and "Remove Folder Properties". The former is a toggle action that makes Konqueror heed .directory files which contain saved instructions on how to display that folder, and the latter removes such a file if it is clicked. 04:20 Sho_ Riddell: I've had a number of Dapper users in #kde that couldn't get their view mode to stick, and when I asked them to deactivate "Save View Changes Per Folder" they couldn't 04:20 Sho_ Riddell: On Windows, it's an Explorer config dialog options 04:21 kwwii sorry to interrupt, but http://bootsplash.org/crystal_webicons.tar.bz2 are the crystal equivalents of the icons used on that page from earlier === [Nirvana] [n=marco@CPE0080c8292db5-CM000f9f5158ce.cpe.net.cable.rogers.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:21 Riddell kwwii: thanks 04:22 Riddell Sho_: I'm not convinced that adding it back is worth messing up the Settings menu even more 04:23 Sho_ Riddell: I agree it shouldn't be in the menus either, but being unable to access it is a substantial problem. Perhaps the Kubuntu Konq should at least default to "Save Per Folder = off", so that changing the view mode in one folder changes it everywhere. 04:24 Riddell Sho_: sure, we could do that 04:24 Sho_ Riddell: The underlying problem is that users manage to get into a state where they switch the view mode, than navigate to another folder and get a different view mode, and find no way to change the view mode consistently, which drives them up walls 04:24 Riddell Tonio_: could you look at that? 04:24 Riddell Hobbsee: having a todo list on the wiki sounds good 04:25 Tonio_ Riddell: let me read.... I'm lock on a crashed sql server.... 04:25 Sho_ Riddell: This is partly made worse by KDE 3.5.2 in which the media:/ kparts are buggy wrt/ applying the right view mode, which was fixed in 3.5.3 04:25 Hobbsee imbrandon: voyager's working now, right? 04:26 Tonio_ Sho_: can you describe a bit more plz ? 04:26 Tonio_ I don't understand the point where users don't find how to change the view mode.... 04:26 Tonio_ it is not that hard to find is it ? 04:27 Sho_ Tonio_: The problem is that Konqueror is capable of storing the view mode either as a global default or a per-folder setting, and the menu item to toggle between the two behaviors is unavailable in Kubuntu === omeow [n=omega@co63471-a.olden1.ov.home.nl] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:27 Tonio_ Sho_: hum, true 04:27 kwwii such behavior is typical in win and osx as well 04:27 Sho_ Tonio_: So as long as that menu item is unavailable, it is my opinion that the Kubuntu Konq should do its best to always use the consistent, global default, because the user cannot switch off per-folder settings 04:28 Sho_ As for the KDE 3.5.2 media:/ view mode bug fixed in 3.5.3: http://bugs.kde.org/108542 04:28 Tonio_ Sho_: currently, if you change the view mode, the setting is stored for all folders 04:28 Tonio_ am I wrong on that point ?* 04:29 imbrandon Hobbsee, yea voyager is up, its what i'm typing from 04:29 Hobbsee imbrandon: okay, i might get some stuff to build on it, maybe. 04:30 Sho_ Tonio_: I don't know, I've never used a Kubuntu Konq with default settings. But I do quite a bit of end-user support in #kde, and I've helped about half a dozen Dapper users which had the problem of the view mode switching all the time. Either by explaining to them how to delete the Kubuntu rc files to get the menu item, or by modifying the config file. 04:30 Sho_ Tonio_: But I can't tell you how they manage to get into that state 04:30 Tonio_ Sho_: launch konq, change the view mode and save your profile, the setting will be stored for every folder 04:31 Tonio_ the only thing is that the setting is not stored automatically, they just have to save their profile, which is a consitent and logic way to do, in my view 04:31 Sho_ Tonio_: That's what I advised as first and what usually didn't work out 04:31 Tonio_ maybe that should be documented 04:32 Tonio_ Sho_: strange.... I'l have a look, but I'm testing here and it works... 04:32 kwwii sounds like a bug to me === phlaegel [n=phlaegel@atdot.ca] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:32 Tonio_ Sho_: it works except with certain protocols, like media:/ 04:32 Sho_ Tonio_: Yeah, I guess there needs to be more research done on how exactly the problem comes about ... 04:32 Tonio_ it has been corrected in 3.5.3 04:33 Riddell Hobbsee: any more agenda items? 04:33 Tonio_ but don't forget dapper is 3.5.2 based ;) 04:33 Tonio_ most users don't have 3.5.3 04:33 Hobbsee Riddell: well, you can see what the next one was, you dont have to discuss it. 04:33 Sho_ Tonio_: Yes ... considering I just sent you the link to that bug: I know ;) 04:33 Riddell Hobbsee: todo list, cool 04:33 Hobbsee i didnt think of anything else mindshattering during work. only about going for core-dev 04:33 Riddell Hobbsee: you organising, yay! 04:34 Hobbsee Riddell: hehe - tha'ts really okay, and not stepping on your toes? 04:34 Riddell step all you want 04:34 imbrandon ;P 04:34 Hobbsee oh dear. Riddell's toes got broken. 04:34 Tonio_ Sho_: if you see some of those people can you send them to me ? 04:34 Hobbsee anyone else got problems with me organising things? === Hawkwind [n=SoS@cpe-24-167-43-76.houston.res.rr.com] has joined #Ubuntu-Meeting 04:34 Tonio_ I'd like to see what are the problems first to think about a solution ;) 04:34 Sho_ Tonio_: ok 04:34 imbrandon Hobbsee, keeps me orginised ;) 04:34 gnomefreak Hobbsee: go for it 04:35 imbrandon heh 04:35 kwwii as long as you do whatever I say, no problem here 04:35 Tonio_ Sho_: tonio@ubuntu.com if they want to mail me 04:35 Hobbsee kwwii: hehe! 04:35 Sho_ Tonio_: noted 04:35 Hobbsee okay, if people have stuff to add to kopete, can they please send debdiffs, etc, to me? 04:35 Hobbsee seeing as 4 people working on the same thing is damned stupid! 04:35 imbrandon lol 04:35 toma Hobbsee: organising is great, but it would be great if the agenda was not filled in the two hours before a meeting 04:36 imbrandon toma +1 04:36 seaLne maybe an excuse for using bzr for packages? 04:36 Hobbsee toma: yeah, sorry about that. i had a "argh i want to get all this stuff fixed so i'm just going to write and write and write" 04:36 Hobbsee seaLne: i dont know how to use bzr, but yeah === andyp [n=andydpar@83.104.143.93] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:36 Hobbsee toma: mostly i'd stick it on the to-do list, and update it that way 04:36 Riddell date and time of next meeting? 04:36 nixternal Hobbsee: bzr is easy to use ;) 04:37 allee toma: at university doing work 2 hour before the deadline is what we call early :) 04:37 Hobbsee Riddell: this time is great! i'm actually awake :D === GreyStar [n=SoS@linuxfordummies/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-Meeting 04:37 toma allee: hehe. should we discuss allioth btw? 04:37 seaLne but maybe not a holiday monday :) 04:37 Riddell it's a holiday? 04:37 allee toma: for Hobbsee ? 04:37 toma allee: for * 04:37 seaLne glasgow trades weekend also in france afaik 04:38 Hobbsee say what? 04:38 allee toma: your turn. I'm horrible short of time === Hobbsee knows close to nothing about alioth. 04:38 allee Hobbsee: know svn? 04:38 toma allee: /me too. next meeting 04:38 Hobbsee allee: only vaguely. tell me in #kubuntu-devel if you want 04:38 allee Hobbsee: 'k 04:38 Hobbsee allee: or via email, whatever you like 04:38 Riddell ohw about Monday 31st for next meeting 04:38 Riddell we could swap betwene having them at 21:00 and 13:00 04:39 toma this timeslot is not working for me, btw. === simira [n=simira@tellus.err.no] has joined #ubuntu-meeting 04:39 Riddell is 13:00 troublesome for others too? 04:39 Riddell presumably various europeans are using up their lunch breaks 04:39 toma how about 15utc? === Hawkwind [n=SoS@linuxfordummies/Hawkwind] has joined #Ubuntu-Meeting 04:39 imbrandon 15 would be nicer 04:40 allee Riddell: far fro ideal. I can never be sure to be able to participate, or get interrupted 04:40 imbrandon but no real objection === Hobbsee cant do 15UTC, but whatever others think. 04:40 Hobbsee 1am start time, 3am possible bed. hmmm. 04:40 Hobbsee 1400UTC doable? 04:40 toma how about a shift to the weekend? 04:41 seaLne weekends would be bad imho 04:41 Hobbsee if its' a problem, then go back to 2100 UTC - i just wont be able to make the meetings. 04:41 Riddell weekends are risky, less pradictable to know if you're free 04:41 toma Hobbsee: that is unaccepotable 04:41 imbrandon what bout 2200 or 2300 ? 04:41 Hobbsee imbrandon: that just makes it worse, from my end. 04:41 toma 23 utc? 04:41 seaLne that would be the same problem but for europeans 04:41 Hobbsee imbrandon: i'm at uni during those times. 04:42 imbrandon hrm === Hobbsee has a simple solution. 04:42 seaLne move to europe? 04:42 Hobbsee someone give me a job offer that includes moving to europe. 04:42 imbrandon ok lets do this , every kcc member ( the council ) name a time when its good and we'll see who has what in common 04:43 imbrandon Hobbsee, seaLne toma Riddell allee ? 04:43 Riddell right, I'll contact everyone on the council and get good times off them and see if there's any overlap === Hobbsee is working it out === Hobbsee can do anything (usually, pending work) in the last 5-6 hours. 04:44 Riddell we'll do that out of the meeting, I need my lunch now 04:44 Riddell any other business? 04:44 Hobbsee nope, dont think so. 04:44 Riddell thanks everyone }}}