||<>|| = Meeting opened by mhall119 at 23:59 = <'''<>'''> okay, I'm chairing today's meeting instead of itnet7, but he's still here <'''<>'''> im here <'''<>'''> tonight's agenda can be found here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FloridaTeam/Meetings#Agenda <'''<>'''> if anybody wants to add something to it, go ahead and do it now <'''<>'''> [TOPIC] UDS-N (11.04) Will be held in Orlando, Oct 25-29. Plan team participation. == UDS-N (11.04) Will be held in Orlando, Oct 25-29. Plan team participation. == <'''<>'''> yay <'''<>'''> in case some of you haven't heard the news, the next Ubuntu Developer Summit will be held right here in Florida * '''<>''' hopes he can go <'''<>'''> crashsystems: it isn't close enough for ya? (j/k) <'''<>'''> UDS is a twice-yearly gathering of Canonical employees and community developers, where the focus of the next Ubuntu version is mapped out <'''<>'''> it's a great opportunity for all of to attend at minimal expense <'''<>'''> Can non developers go? <'''<>'''> yes <'''<>'''> yes <'''<>'''> as far as I know, attendence is free and open to anybody <'''<>'''> heck, I'm planning on being there. ||<#FF5555>'' http://uds.recreantview.org/ has some preliminary information''|| <'''<>'''> http://uds.recreantview.org/ has some preliminary information <'''<>'''> That is true, but you should make sure that you register when it's available on LP please! <'''<>'''> sponsorship is available to community members, but it's merit based and there's a limited number of sponsorships <'''<>'''> several of our members have been to previous UDSs, like itnet7, dantalizing and cjohnston <'''<>'''> then can give you first-hand accounts for how awesome it is <'''<>'''> so if you can make it, all week or just a day or too, it would certainly be worthwhile <'''<>'''> you'll also be able to meet people like Mark Shuttleworth, Jono Bacon and other big names in Ubuntu <'''<>'''> OMG it's practically next to where FLS was held lol <'''<>'''> and me.. ;-) <'''<>'''> itnet7: the facility is *really* nice <'''<>'''> if anybody from the north or south of the state is planning on driving, let others know so you can carpool <'''<>'''> at our next irregularly scheduled meeting, I'd like to start gathering a list of who in our team is going, and how they're getting there * '''<>''' pops into existence. <'''<>'''> to make sure we have as many participants as want to attend <'''<>'''> hey chaynie <'''<>'''> The meeting schedule is posted above the agenda for the rest of the year <'''<>'''> itnet7: I'll believe it when it happens ;) <'''<>'''> what did I miss? <'''<>'''> wrt: the meeting. <'''<>'''> if anybody has any ideas for activities or anything we can do as a team as a part of UDS, lets start thinking about them and bring them up next meeting <'''<>'''> chaynie: takling about UDS <'''<>'''> is there anything loco teams typically do in regards to uds? <'''<>'''> we need to rock some kind of afterparty, or some such. <'''<>'''> mhall119: ah, ok <'''<>'''> one of us will post links to register when they're available <'''<>'''> crashsystems: good question, itnet7 what's your experience onthat? <'''<>'''> Attend, give ideas, and follow through when asked to do something <'''<>'''> mornig sorry i'm late <'''<>'''> and have a lot of fun! <'''<>'''> MichelleQ1: usually on the last night of UDS there is an all-stars night, Food, Music and libations <'''<>'''> itnet7: were there any local loco specific activities at past UDS's? <'''<>'''> like a host activity? <'''<>'''> mhall119: not really that I can recall, they held a team meeting in one of the conference rooms <'''<>'''> again, as you think of ideas, put them on the agenda for next week's meeting <'''<>'''> morning erictee <'''<>'''> mhall119 itnet7: I think we should start that tradition. Maybe have a welcome to orlando party for uds attendees? <'''<>'''> In Barcelona, they hung out a lot with everyone but there were like 5 team members for the catalan team <'''<>'''> chaynie: that's what I was thinking too <'''<>'''> itnet7: what do you think about hitting up jorge to have the loco be crew for this uds <'''<>'''> we certainly have enough people who i'm thinking will volunteer <'''<>'''> hi all <'''<>'''> dantalizing: does crew get to participate in the sessions? <'''<>'''> mhall119: depends on the job ... mostly though <'''<>'''> dantalizing: I don't think it's a bad idea, but for most of our team it will be their first time <'''<>'''> good point <'''<>'''> it'd be nice if some of your Orlando guys would help out-of-town(state, country) folks find their way around town too <'''<>'''> I think we can definitely come up with some cool ideas on things to do off-site, and list many good recommended places to go * '''<>''' knows how to get from one side of Orlando to the other via I-4 <'''<>'''> I'll be happy to serve as crew, since I won't participate in the sessions anyway. That is, assuming I can rummage up some kid-care for the chirrens. <'''<>'''> so that they get good deals, and eat good food, etc. <'''<>'''> mhall119: I'll be happy to do what I can. I'm planning to take that week off. <'''<>'''> MichelleQ1: I think there will be quite a few sessions for you. ;-) <'''<>'''> I'm sure there will be a community track again this time, so even if you're not a developer, please try and attend those as representative members of the community * '''<>''' has all of Oct. and Nov. off for UDS <'''<>'''> lol <'''<>'''> cjohnston: and nov? <'''<>'''> that's some after party <'''<>'''> Crew Does get a T-shirt so it's not all that bad and it's usually only one days duty <'''<>'''> lol.. When I took the time off, I didn't know when it was... <'''<>'''> itnet7: do you think it would be worth having a FloridaTeam/UDS-N wiki page? <'''<>'''> Sure! <'''<>'''> who wants to make a wiki page? <'''<>'''> I can <'''<>'''> [TOPIC] Change LoCo Birthday Bash to correspond with UDS-N? == Change LoCo Birthday Bash to correspond with UDS-N? == <'''<>'''> so, we had been planning on holding the second annual LoCo Birthday Bash in the first week or November <'''<>'''> but now I'm wondering if we should move it up a week to coincide with UDS <'''<>'''> or push it back to give us all a chance to recover from UDS <'''<>'''> if we move it up, I'm thinking we do it the Sunday before UDS starts <'''<>'''> as most attendees will be in town by then, and can join if they want to <'''<>'''> mhall119: just my opinion but I would move it back, Too much stuff is going to be ge going on around that time... just my opinion <'''<>'''> and our members who can't make UDS during the week, would still have a chance to hang out with some of them <'''<>'''> mhall119: it would make an excellent uds pre-party. <'''<>'''> we couldn't do it at my house again, we were at capacity last year as it was <'''<>'''> but I was thinking a gathering in Orlando somewhere <'''<>'''> at a park or something <'''<>'''> I'd be happy to bring BBQ along <'''<>'''> OMG <'''<>'''> that would be cool <'''<>'''> Have they announced where in orlando uds is being held? By disney? or possibly near the airport? <'''<>'''> if we could have a geeknic <'''<>'''> lol <'''<>'''> chaynie: http://uds.recreantview.org/travel/ <'''<>'''> close to disney <'''<>'''> itnet7: if we want to do a geeknic the sunday before, I'll start planning now <'''<>'''> 535 and I drive area chaynie <'''<>'''> cjohnston: know of any good parks around there where we can reserve a pavillion? <'''<>'''> not down there I dont <'''<>'''> I can talk to Hope <'''<>'''> ok <'''<>'''> MichelleQ1: I am not sure, I think it would Rock and a lot of people would be here in time as most of them will arrive on Saturday usually <'''<>'''> itnet7: she wasn't disagreeing <'''<>'''> main problem is gonna be food imo <'''<>'''> Turkey lake park <'''<>'''> is nearby <'''<>'''> cjohnston: I can bring a host of meats <'''<>'''> well, like 10-15 minutes away, but still <'''<>'''> mhall119: I didn't mean it in a bad way <'''<>'''> okay, so tentatively let's plan for a geeknic on the 24th of October, details to come, I'll add it to loco.ubuntu.com <'''<>'''> I was just thinking that it might really be a good idea considering that most of them should have arrived, we would at least get a good percentage of community members to come <'''<>'''> my suggestion would be that as the UDS page foms (not the Florida UDS page but the regular one) start getting an interest level from the attending community <'''<>'''> itnet7: definitely <'''<>'''> would be cool to bill this as us (florida loco) throwing uds attendees a party <'''<>'''> imo <'''<>'''> dantalizing: +1 <'''<>'''> [ACTION] mhall119 to add Florida Team welcome geeknic to loco.ubuntu.com ||<#FF5555>'' mhall119 to add Florida Team welcome geeknic to loco.ubuntu.com''|| <'''<>'''> Do you want to see if we can rent a hall instead? <'''<>'''> Alright, I'm gonna ask the pointed question. How does everyone propose we go about paying for this shin dig? <'''<>'''> itnet7: might get costly <'''<>'''> i'm in to contribute <'''<>'''> that was what I was getting at with my comment about food <'''<>'''> I'm in to contribute some BBQ, or purchase hot dogs and hamburgers or something <'''<>'''> My main concern is renting a location first and foremost. <'''<>'''> would a $5 cover for acceptable? <'''<>'''> if other people are willing to bring sides and drinks, we've got that covered, and we just need a venue <'''<>'''> just throwing it out there. <'''<>'''> no cover <'''<>'''> do parks cost money? <'''<>'''> not much of a welcome party if we charge admission <'''<>'''> +1 dantalizing <'''<>'''> crashsystems: I don't believe so <'''<>'''> crashsystems: reserving a spot sometimes does <'''<>'''> crashsystems renting the pavillion usually does <'''<>'''> If we can get a ball park Idea of cost, we can try and raise some support <'''<>'''> I like that idea <'''<>'''> I would chip-in <'''<>'''> I'll start doing some calling this wee <'''<>'''> week <'''<>'''> even <'''<>'''> With Orange County parks.. IIRC.. Pavillions are first come first serve, and no cost.. but dont quote me <'''<>'''> cool <'''<>'''> can we designate someone with a paypal account to handle reservations, and have people send them money? <'''<>'''> We did Paige's first party at one, and thats how it was <'''<>'''> we can send mhall119 to camp out :) <'''<>'''> I'm wondering if we can get a ballroom at the hotel, on the off chance we can afford it <'''<>'''> cjohnston: +1. dantalizing -1 <'''<>'''> We might be able to ask Canonical for one of the ballrooms On Sunday evening! <'''<>'''> itnet7: I like the way you think <'''<>'''> and provide Pizza, and a Geek Movie! <'''<>'''> itnet7: do you think they'll have them Sunday? <'''<>'''> mhall119 camping +1 <'''<>'''> MichelleQ1: ask! <'''<>'''> will do <'''<>'''> itnet7: that could be cool.. if they have them <'''<>'''> itnet7: Hackers perhaps? <'''<>'''> I think they might <'''<>'''> gag <'''<>'''> hackers <'''<>'''> lol <'''<>'''> itnet7: whom in Canonical should we ask about that? <'''<>'''> crash and burn! <'''<>'''> pssh, the only true geek movie is "the net". <'''<>'''> Hack The Planet! <'''<>'''> mhall119: I can e-mail Maria <'''<>'''> itnet7: thanks <'''<>'''> somethign else to check <'''<>'''> or even you can if you want to <'''<>'''> not maria <'''<>'''> itnet7: give her my contact info, we'll go from there <'''<>'''> Marianna <'''<>'''> [ACTION] itnet7 to email Maria about using a ballroom for a host party ||<#FF5555>'' itnet7 to email Maria about using a ballroom for a host party''|| <'''<>'''> too late <'''<>'''> There were a couple of hotels that I was wishing it would be at because of their like for the fire department. but we arent at them <'''<>'''> It's okay I know who <'''<>'''> canonical may be doing all hands the week before in orlando ... <'''<>'''> need to check with zoopster/statik <'''<>'''> dantalizing: really? <'''<>'''> I thought they just had one of those in Prague <'''<>'''> they did in belgium <'''<>'''> mhall119: they have in the past <'''<>'''> forgot about that <'''<>'''> oh, ok <'''<>'''> they don't have it every time, so let's doublecheck <'''<>'''> IIRC they do that before every UDS <'''<>'''> well, if they can spare the space, everyone's invited <'''<>'''> oh, nvm <'''<>'''> crashsystems: they didn't in Texas is what I'm going by <'''<>'''> ok <'''<>'''> but you never know <'''<>'''> :-) <'''<>'''> anything else on this topic before we move on? <'''<>'''> [TOPIC] Establish some kind of rules for selecting meeting chairs, team contacts and team admins == Establish some kind of rules for selecting meeting chairs, team contacts and team admins == <'''<>'''> so, our team has grown and changed quite a bit since I joined almost 2 years ago <'''<>'''> lies <'''<>'''> and for the most part, a lot of the responsibility of leadership and organizing has still be placed on a small number of people <'''<>'''> and it's no small burden, I know <'''<>'''> we need to establish some rules for distributing that responsibility among the rest of us <'''<>'''> itnet7 has mentioned in the past a desire for rotating meeting chairs <'''<>'''> I think we should probably cycle leadership responsibility around, to prevent burnout. <'''<>'''> which is part of the reason why I'm chairing tonight's meeting <'''<>'''> lol <'''<>'''> we also have a loco point of contact, which has been itnet7 for probably about as long as the team's been around <'''<>'''> How about an annually elected chair position? <'''<>'''> and multiple team admins, who have extra control over things like the launchpad group and loco.ubuntu.com details <'''<>'''> chaynie: that's what we need to work out, how often to hold elections, who's eligible as a candidate, who's eligible to vote, etc <'''<>'''> itnet7: dantalizing: do you guys know how this is handle in other teams, and how well those processes work? <'''<>'''> different teams handle things differently ... they all do what works for them <'''<>'''> chaynie: for meeting chairs I'd rather cycle more frequently than say, the contact or admins <'''<>'''> mhall119: usually a contact steps down when they are ready, with that being said, I would just appreciate some help <'''<>'''> some teeams have had to institute formal procedures because member complained abot one thing or another <'''<>'''> other teams quietly work together <'''<>'''> and ideas on how to do things more efficiently <'''<>'''> the u-w team has just elected a triumvirate, who share leadership responsibilites. <'''<>'''> I'd like to see set elections, if for no other reason than to give the current leaders an opportunity to decline another cycle <'''<>'''> our team doesn't really need much in the way of direction, our leadership is more about maintenance I think <'''<>'''> MichelleQ1: Because history has shown triumvirates to work out well. ;) <'''<>'''> chaynie: hey, wasn't my idea. just how they do it. <'''<>'''> i'd strongly suggest elections over appointments. <'''<>'''> I'm more interested in a point of contact for the loco-council, and admins to maintain LP and LD information <'''<>'''> mhall119: well, maybe we cycle meeting chair monthly, and team admin annually or bi-annually? <'''<>'''> chaynie: that's kind of what I was thinking <'''<>'''> we have 4 admins, currently <'''<>'''> we can set them on 4-year cycles, voting on one a year, unless one wants to step down <'''<>'''> i think we should have this discussion f2f ... becuase any disagreemnet i have is gonna come off sounding self-serving <'''<>'''> but i'll throw this out <'''<>'''> dantalizing: a good idea <'''<>'''> i'm against popularity contests, they divide the team <'''<>'''> i'm pro meritocracy <'''<>'''> i think we have a very informal allocation of admin right now <'''<>'''> several people here are admins on the website, there are several adminns for loco dir <'''<>'''> I didn't think people would be rushing out to get themselves in these positions, actually, it's a lot of work and not much prestige <'''<>'''> dantalizing: conversely, reducing the pool like that also creates an "elite" and an "underclass", who have no real power. <'''<>'''> i dont think we're *not* getting people involved in more leadership positions <'''<>'''> got a call.. bbl <'''<>'''> cjohnston: be safe <'''<>'''> cjohnston: take care. <'''<>'''> i'm done .. i'd prefer the core people has this out f2f ... but i'm good with whatever is decided is best <'''<>'''> what if the current leader simply picked the next leader, who could either accept or not? <'''<>'''> i do agree with dantalizing about doing this f2f <'''<>'''> To be honest, I have discussed in the past, with mhall119 and others that I wanted to try and formalize roles, what I would have liked to see is the team begin fucntioning as a team first <'''<>'''> chaynie: thats what we've done in the past <'''<>'''> dantalizing: I don't want anybody deciding who is "core" and who isn't, personally <'''<>'''> Then worry about contacts, administrators, etc, later <'''<>'''> chaynie: because if we ever had a problem with a current leader, as has happened in other locos, we wouldn't want them picking a successor <'''<>'''> mhall119: core = whoever decides to show ... no restrictions <'''<>'''> but just making that announcement is self selecting <'''<>'''> dantalizing: with a face to face, that may be more about means than merit <'''<>'''> mhall119: not following <'''<>'''> dantalizing: he's referring to some not being able attend due to finances, I believe <'''<>'''> dantalizing: if we're gonna say the decision is going to be made in a face to face meeting in $city, then only people who can afford to go there when it's happening will have a say <'''<>'''> possibly <'''<>'''> for now, can we all at least agree on rotating the meeting chair on a monthly basis? <'''<>'''> that'll give itnet7 some help <'''<>'''> We could have like a mini electoral college or something. <'''<>'''> lol <'''<>'''> mhall119: +1 meeting chair <'''<>'''> chaynie: only if we can hang our chads <'''<>'''> mhall119: that's really discriminatory to people named chad. * '''<>''' volunteers to chair the next meeting, if needed. <'''<>'''> okay, since I'm doing it today, I'm happy to do it again in 2 weeks, and we'll select the chair for September then, does anybody have an objection to that? <'''<>'''> nope <'''<>'''> googlefight for chair of next meeting since we have 2 volunteers <'''<>'''> heh, chaynie can have it if he wants it <'''<>'''> googlefight? <'''<>'''> paper/rocks/scissors go! <'''<>'''> the pay sucks <'''<>'''> I can wait till september, if that's easier. <'''<>'''> crashsystems: .com <'''<>'''> Am I late? <'''<>'''> :-s <'''<>'''> a little LinkinX <'''<>'''> :-) <'''<>'''> o_O <'''<>'''> dang <'''<>'''> lol <'''<>'''> [AGREED] mhall119 will chair Aug. 17th meeting, chaynie to chair Sept. 7th and 21st meetings ||<#FF5555>'' mhall119 will chair Aug. 17th meeting, chaynie to chair Sept. 7th and 21st meetings''|| <'''<>'''> I just got home <'''<>'''> the good news is LinkinX, you beat generic <'''<>'''> hoo well... that is always good <'''<>'''> so what are the headlines? <'''<>'''> any meetings? <'''<>'''> dantalizing, what> <'''<>'''> We are in a meeting still <'''<>'''> just teasing ya generic <'''<>'''> and we'll work out more of the details on the other positions, either on IRC or the mailing list <'''<>'''> no i dont get it <'''<>'''> is everybody on the lists.ubuntu.com mailing list? <'''<>'''> if not, you should be <'''<>'''> meh <'''<>'''> how do you check? <'''<>'''> I am <'''<>'''> im about to try crunchbang linux <'''<>'''> has anyone tried it? <'''<>'''> its a ubuntu derivative btw <'''<>'''> X-Man: go to lists.ubuntu.com/ubuntu-us-fl or -florida, i forget ... and subscribe <'''<>'''> -fl I think <'''<>'''> generic: i ran crunchbang a long time back .. i really like it <'''<>'''> nice <'''<>'''> sound really cool <'''<>'''> https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-us-fl <'''<>'''> and the iso is done downloading <'''<>'''> I think we should probably meet in person before uds to get our uds plans squared away. <'''<>'''> +1 <'''<>'''> chaynie: probably a good idea <'''<>'''> chaynie: yeah, we'll probably have an in-person meeting in Orlando sometime early October <'''<>'''> okay, moving on * '''<>''' wishes he could go <'''<>'''> wait what network is this? <'''<>'''> Efnet <'''<>'''> ? <'''<>'''> [TOPIC] Global Jam, and other events. == Global Jam, and other events. == <'''<>'''> freenode. <'''<>'''> LinkinX: freenode <'''<>'''> ok <'''<>'''> brb <'''<>'''> it's Ubuntu Global Jam time again <'''<>'''> ? ||<#FF5555>'' http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/195/detail/''|| <'''<>'''> http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/195/detail/ <'''<>'''> Jammin'. <'''<>'''> I miss jamalta already. :( <'''<>'''> it's Aug. 27th to the 29th <'''<>'''> thanks mhall119 ! <'''<>'''> sorry <'''<>'''> so start thinking about what you can do in your area <'''<>'''> +1 <'''<>'''> mhall119: is holding a bbq jam <'''<>'''> mhall119: I think we can do some sort of jam in orlando. <'''<>'''> you can participate remotely ? Correct ? <'''<>'''> also, anybody who is on our launchpad team can add events for our team in loco.ubuntu.com, so please use it <'''<>'''> erictee: yes <'''<>'''> erictee: you can alos organize for miami ;) <'''<>'''> dantalizing: that's my first week back in school, so I probably won't :( <'''<>'''> I can do a bbq jam at mhall119's house, if it works for everyone. <'''<>'''> :P <'''<>'''> We're *all* starting school that week, so, um, no. <'''<>'''> chaynie: you'll have to be here mighty early to start cooking <'''<>'''> also, you'd have to wear my OMG WTF BBQ apron <'''<>'''> and chef hat <'''<>'''> MichelleQ1: That sounds like fun. <'''<>'''> mhall119: Bring it. <'''<>'''> rofl <'''<>'''> chaynie: and nothing else <'''<>'''> I'm taking a feminist literature class. So... <'''<>'''> dangerous <'''<>'''> mhall119: And what do I get for defeating your challenge. <'''<>'''> ? <'''<>'''> chaynie: a lifetime of embarrasment, and ribs <'''<>'''> itnet7: did you have anything you wanted to add to the topic? <'''<>'''> No, thanks you hit the points I wanted to hit, except <'''<>'''> if you're going to have an event, go here: http://loco.ubuntu.com/events/global/195/detail/ <'''<>'''> I would like others to think of some other events beside the global jam <'''<>'''> log in, then click the "Add your Team's Event" link, that'll automatically have your new event linked to the global even <'''<>'''> If I hosted something in Orlando, who would be interested in attending? <'''<>'''> possibly, would depend on when and where <'''<>'''> mhall119: Would Saturday or Sunday work better? <'''<>'''> I would :-) <'''<>'''> MichelleQ, they have feminist literature classes? <'''<>'''> WHen do we have a bbq? <'''<>'''> saturday, or before night time on Sunday <'''<>'''> generic: yes. <'''<>'''> too late on Sunday, and I couldn't make it <'''<>'''> is that even legal? <'''<>'''> chaynie: i'd go on a weekend day <'''<>'''> generic: don't play with fire <'''<>'''> chaynie: i would be interested as well <'''<>'''> So does this class teach people how to be a better feminist or something? <'''<>'''> either sat or sunday <'''<>'''> when you create an event, send an email to the mailing list to let everyone know, so we can register as coming or not <'''<>'''> or is it *about* feminism <'''<>'''> or something <'''<>'''> yes <'''<>'''> generic: *literature* <'''<>'''> a lof of people close to Naples? <'''<>'''> MichelleQ, yes to which? <'''<>'''> chaynie: Sat would work for us, depending on kid-friendliness <'''<>'''> linkinx: I'm in Lakeland, and I think there's some in Ft. Myers area <'''<>'''> but I think that's it <'''<>'''> generic: There are a number of classic literary works that related directly to feminism. Off the top of my head, the works of Charlotte Gilman come to mind. <'''<>'''> mhall119, BBQ? <'''<>'''> linkinx: possibly, maybe, in October <'''<>'''> +ZAe m <'''<>'''> + <'''<>'''> I am a hungry bbq cuban <'''<>'''> :D <'''<>'''> Thanks! mhall119 for chairing <'''<>'''> crap <'''<>'''> sorry, cat <'''<>'''> [TOPIC] open == open == <'''<>'''> if anybody has anything they'd like to discuss before I end the meeting <'''<>'''> chaynie, are they good? <'''<>'''> chaynie: I've enjoyed what I <'''<>'''> talking to yourself? <'''<>'''> I've read, but "good" is very subjective. <'''<