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   01:01    ogra          lets wait for the US to show up ... JaneW: here already? Seveas, moved to monday nope, JaneW cant attend in the beginning that explains the sudden disappearance of it ok, I'll shut up she's at school meeting a teacher ah ok === ogra taps his foot for flint ... === flint [n=flint@montpeliervt-cuda1-24-50-146-184.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting ah ogra, you are bad people to hold meetings this early. hi flint its early afternoon here, donno what you mean :P === kjcole [n=kjcole@dsl092-145-217.wdc2.dsl.speakeasy.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting at least my point for the meeting is that the worksheet got neglected again === pips1 munches on his lunch good morning from the frozen north... morning flint :) hey kjcole the coffee pot is a cold memory. jsgotangco    good evening from beer laden asia heh so lets start ... jsgotangco, beer laden, sounds like a terrorist! :^) === jelkner [n=jelkner@158.59.193.240] has joined #ubuntu-meeting hi  all. My ISP is in flakey-land again, so I might disappear without warning. kjcole, hey kevin, thanks for your help on the tech side, i worked a lot on the edubuntu-artwork package last week, we have our own gtk theme and i included a tango based icon theme for the "plain" flavour ogra, what happened to highvoltage, do you know? no idea, sorry === pips1 shuts up and listens that gets us in the position to drop ubuntu-artwork from the CD jsgotangco    ogra: do we still have space? through my additions we loose 2Mb ... jsgotangco    eeekkk jsgotangco    there's goes my doc in svn through dropping ubuntu-artwork we win 6MB :) so the overall gain from this are 4 meg :) ogra, fine work. if you run dapper, please update to the latest edubuntu-artwork and give some feedback jsgotangco    ogra: will a daily work for me? i'm sure there are still enough bugs in it to hunt i will ogra: i installed the edubuntu artwork but i didn't get any theme the dailies are broken until the next gwm upload only the font changed ogra, think if legislatures and governments had the limitation you had when they drafted laws...or tax policy. jsgotangco    hmmmm gdm currently depends on ubuntu-artwork ... that makes the dailies oversized so flight 5 works an the daily works tomorrow eh? flint, i'm not sure when seb128 planned the next gdm upload jsgotangco    flight5 works fine jsgotangco    you'll just have to update it but its a trivial change, i can probably do myself yes, flight5 should work fine note that the artwork still doesnt have the final wallpaper work ogra, been busy, will load flight 5 this week. jsgotangco    ogra: i understand correctly, we're not using oour pumpking colors? the defaul wallpaper will be selected by canonical, for the "young" flavor, jane and highvoltage are in contact with the aouthor of the pic we selected in one of the last meetings jsgotangco, exactly ... jsgotangco    fair enough ogra: something else on the tech side, we had some bugs with willow but author doesn't respond to mail. Makes it a bit less interesting for future inclusion. Although I didn't attempt any further contact yet. i have seen some suggestions from the design agency and based our theme on that ... the pumpking colors looked horrible with the edubuntu orange ... spacey, hey, its opensource ... worst we'll for it ;) yup true :) === Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has joined #ubuntu-meeting i have to look very deep into the code anyway ogra: my conern here would be on disc space on the install cd because i currently have a jsgotangco    document with screenshots, i'm not sure of the exact size yet so if you'd like an edubuntu specific doc in the cd space would be a concern if we want to get rid of the multiverse dependency jsgotangco, yes, it is we encountered some bug that makes a few of the threads go beserk, ogra, I got the impression that a lot looked bad with the orange, and people were saying "change the orange". i loved the orange jsgotangco    because it still mixes with the brown palettes kjcole, we have our own independent theme now ... jsgotangco    that's why it doesn't jive jsgotangco    but if you use pumpkin with gartoon, it'll look more like puke :> (I wouldn't know because I installed edubuntu and then kubuntu-desktop on top of it...  Haven't flipped over to the GNOME side of things recently.) ah ok, thats it from the tech side ... oh, btw, i just looked, yesterdays liveCD seems not oversized ... you might try that one for checking the theme ... New slogan "Puke: A theme for teenage boys." spacey        in what package does that edubuntu theme and garnome reside? kjcole, lol spacey        not it edubuntu-artwork it seems spacey, edubuntu-artwork and gartoon-icon-theme jsgotangco    ive said my piece spacey        ah jsgotangco    my concern is disc space jsgotangco    if not, i'm satisified as a universe package we could save 8Mb by dropping firefox :) jsgotangco    would you? in favor of epiphany ? ogra, harsh, very harsh :^) jsgotangco    it's still moz jsgotangco    i'd use epi anytime (which is only 2MB big and has its translations already installed) === jsgotangco acutally favors epi i dont favor either one ... spacey        ogra: i am in favour of epiphany :) spacey        :P spacey        gonna switch our terminal server this week spacey        and see how the users like it jsgotangco    ogra: would it be an issue if we drop something like firefox? spacey        but doesn' epiphany still depend on firefox? jsgotangco, i guess so ... nope, but yelp does, argh ! spacey        ok thats great spacey        oh :p damned so we cant drop it spacey        maybe for dapper+1 :) === Lure [n=luka@external-7.hermes.si] has left #ubuntu-meeting ["Konversation] yeah dropping ff *and* its translation packages would gain us a *lot* spacey        :) ok, and other doc news ? s/and/any/ spacey        i finished up the hardware requirements jsgotangco    ogra: but yelp relies on it spacey        for the cookbook jsgotangco    i think ooo relies on it too ogra, sadly the way of this is to shave and prune, which is time consuming.  I like firefox. spacey        and the worksheet still didn't get any attention jsgotangco, i'm sure both would be fine with only libnspr ... spacey        https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/HardwareRequirements they need gecko, but not all of firefox spacey        if someone can check it out for comments === ogra looks spacey        needs some extra love i think spacey        but the main point is there wow i run 300MHz 64MB clients over here :) spacey        :P spacey        little details spacey        :) you should add a minimal specs section :) spacey        whats minimal spacey        100mhz and 16mb of ram? but apart from that, very nice !! nope+ spacey, nice page 233MHz and 48MB i'd say spacey        ok spacey        i'll add that thats the absolute minimum spacey        another thing tested are, as i said, 300 and 64 spacey        does ltsp over ssh takes the same amount of network as normal LSTP (without compression)? i heard it should take less than X transport I've got some horrible notes that I'm working on under "Getting Started".  It's a jumble kjcole        trying to explain hubs, switches, and routers to the unwashed masses -- and I'm one of the unwashed. (but i have not measured it at all) kjcole, sounds great :) kjcole        It's kind of my notes as I learn about those "thingies" that are between my computer and the wall. spacey, might want to say something about video card and network cards... i guess you all got that the release is delayed to july 1st so we'll have some extra time for docs (just no space) spacey        flint: like what? spacey        besides get an PXE one kjcole        ogra, From the resident atheist: "Praise be" heh kjcole        ogra (re: July 1.  The gods have smiled.) spacey, you should use a videocard with less than 2MB spacey, talk about the famous rom-o-matic, and link to supported (or unsupported) video cards. (thats the least for 1024x786@16bit) spacey        ogra: more then 2mb ?:) kjcole        But, July 1 is the RELEASE date... when's the last time we can hand in our homework and hope it will be graded? spacey        and you mean june 1st no july right? nope spacey        oh err yes, indeed 6-06 :) spacey        so 1st of june 2006 spacey        :) spacey        to be clear yeah, sorry spacey        :) and s/should/shouldnt above indeed spacey        flint: it links to rom-o-matic already spacey        flint: i think any video card is supported as long as it does vesa or something and apart from the videoram issue, i wouldnt know what else to say about videocards jsgotangco    i gotta go first jsgotangco    nice meething though jsgotangco    ciao ciao jsgotangco spacey, I just did not see the link on the page... spacey        flint: well i didn't create a link section spacey        but its in the text spacey        ogra: so minimum 2m video ram? yep spacey        recommended video ram? 4 ? dunno spacey        i have no idea either. never had problems with it ogra, is it a min of 2 meg or a usable max or 2 megs ram? but do you have cards with less than 2m ? flint, min 2 meg ogra, if you want to talk trident I can talk trident. :^) heh spacey        anything that does more then 256 colours and less then 2mb video ram? not at 1024x786 === lbm [n=lbm@x1-6-00-13-10-7a-d1-e4.k233.webspeed.dk] has joined #ubuntu-meeting spacey        :) spacey, the problem I run into is that the video card will boot in a resolution that is higher than the cheezy monitor I have hanging on a random box and it will not lock. which is the resolution we default to if nothing can be detected ... spacey        :> flint, then you need to use lts.conf to configure it ogra, the ticket here is to tell the system <ctrl> <alt> - to drop or get a better monitor, so there is a montitor spec eh? ogra, not a great one but the monitor should do 1280 X 1024 or something flint, i havent seen any monitors doing that ... in the rare cornercase where it might happen, you can manually adjust it in lts.conf ogra, should a monitor spec be included? there is no monitor spec ... === JaneW sneaks in and sits down quietly nope, i dont think so kjcole: jelkner: the edubuntucookbookworksheet still has no status information. If you are spacey        gonna do it please do it, if you cannot manage to do it then please say so, so that someone else can do it. ogra, keep in mind client systems are often not leading edge hardware... even standard svga monitors will provide the data needed for configuration ... ogra, ok, I saw it once but I take your word on this. spacey        jelkner or kjcole still here? as i said, you can adjust it in lts.conf, thats what its for if you use such hardware, you will expect problems i guess ;) it was never easy to get bad hardware running kjcole        spacey, still here.  though ISP still misbehaving. I'll say I can't manage. spacey        kjcole: ok, but all available information is in the wiki? or still text somewhere else? spacey, they are, I am looking at the worksheet, what is it that has not been updated? https://wiki.edubuntu.org/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook/Worksheet spacey        flint: the status field, which is really convienant kjcole        I took all the text as it was in Lore and put it into the wiki.  So as far as I know, that's the only set of document anyone is updating now. spacey        especially if someone is interesting in contributing spacey        i don't have access to that lore thing spacey        so i just put it in the wiki directly === ozric [n=junior@201009234088.user.veloxzone.com.br] has joined #ubuntu-meeting spacey, there you have me, I susptect that no one but you and Herman have done anything this week worth posting. hail techone spacey        flint: i am herman tech ones* spacey, both of you ? :) spacey, once I switched everything over, both jelkner and I have been working in the kjcole        wiki.  Since we were the only two doing lore, I think the wiki is now the definitive source. spacey, sincerely it is hard to stay this confused this much of the time :^) spacey        kjcole: ok thats good spacey        anyway if everything is in the wiki spacey        i'll fix up the status stuff and then call out for some more volunteers to write jelkner       spacey: i'm still here, but i've got to go soon === theoddone [n=theoddon@hgibson.ee.sun.ac.za] has joined #ubuntu-meeting spacey, I like the wiki, and will update it when I get my lazy ass to contribute something... jelkner, any news from your side ? spacey        if jdub adds me to planet someone might actually read it as well jelkner       yes kjcole        spacey, I subscribed to all the pages and had been noticing all the recent activity. Thanx. === spacey will send to mailinglist as well jelkner       i started reworking the intro chapters now that i have a better understanding of what the cookbook is jelkner       i'm also working with flint on a recipe for using edubuntu in a multi-lingual environment jelkner       flint is wrting the recipe spacey        jelkner: i'll leave to chapters that someone assiged to themselves for what it is for now, but all the rest I will try to get a status thing jelkner       i'll test it and put it in the book you should have a look at lts.conf settings etc as well ... wrt multi-lingual jelkner       spacy: good jelkner       flint: you still here? jelkner       ogra: he has been in touch with you, yes? ogra, cue me re website whenever you feel it's a good moment jelkner, yes, and i told him that it will be solved in ltsp in dapper+1  ... jelkner       fine, but we need a recipe for now pips1, ok, added :) jelkner       that's the kind of thing the cookbook is for yes i was just screwing up the status page. jelkner, might be, but please not in the cookbook jelkner       ogra: ?? you are fiddling with files you should fiddle with (~/.dmrc) jelkner       what do you mean, not in the cookbook? ogra, yea buddy... it will be solved in a non intrusive way in dapper+1 please dont add breaking reciepes in the cookbook s/should/shouldnt/ (seems to be my typo of the day :( ) jelkner       my understanding of the role of the cookbook is something like "google hacks" from oreilly it will be solved in a sane manner ogra, what do you mean by that? === Hirion [n=hirion@draugr.de] has joined #ubuntu-meeting jelkner       it will provide solutions to problems that have not been solved in an easy way in the distro yet jelkner, then please use the right way and manage it with language packs and tzhe language selector ... thats what they are for spacey        thats not my understanding of the cookbook jelkner       spacey: what is your understanding of the cookbook? ogra, what would a 'breaking recipe' be? we have tools to achieve what you want, dont reinvent the wheel ... ogra, what is a breaking reciepe? spacey        it get someone without knowledge going with edubuntu jelkner       spacey: that isn't going to happen jelkner       unless someone other than kevin and i takes it over pips1, a breaking reciepe would be "if you want this or that for all your users you add this shellscript to /etc/skel" spacey        if you wants hacks you should call it EdubuntuHacks jelkner       we are users, that kind of book needs to be written by core developers spacey        users don't hack ogra, ah! cheers :-) jelkner       spacey: are you volunteering to take over the cookbook? it will work, but is an evil hack jelkner       i'd be glad to turn over the keys to you jelkner       ;-) spacey        jelkner: i will consider it jelkner       just let me know spacey        first want that status information spacey        since know i have no idea what needs to be done jelkner       and kevin and i can work on "Edubuntu Community Hacks" jelkner       i felt at this point that things like that could go in the cookbook jelkner       since it would basically be a collection of "recipes" jelkner, you misunderstand me jelkner       and would be community driven spacey        jelkner: i'm not a core developer but I feel what people need it a good introduction and understand how things work in edubuntu. ogra, actually we are all evil hackers :^) spacey        what was your perception of this ogra? jelkner       spacey: there are 2 ways you could make that happen (since i can't): if you make reciepes like these, that can be solved easily with thre or five clicks in the gui tool, please dont reinvent the wheel and add weird hacks .. spacey        its no use to hack around if the basics and workings are unfamiliar kjcole        My own "grand vision" for what the cookbook ought to be is two-part: jelkner       1. you could add recipes to the current cookbook thats my concern not that this reciepe is added jelkner       2. we could decide that is in essence what the cookbook should be and someone with the ability to make it that should take it over spacey        jelkner: i love the idea of recipes but first you need to know how to make the basic ingrediens we have the multi-language tools on board ... the first part was largely tuxLab-like in nature: get non-technical folks -- teachers kjcole        primarily -- exited and interested in a cheap lab where they have a lot of control, and give them the tools to set it up. one target of the cookbook should be to promote what we have and its right usage ... jelkner       ogra: then the current "recipe" should reflect the currently possible best way to do it ogra, if a teacher needs internationalization, and a command line script does the job, then it also instructs the gui tool builder of the future. jelkner       i'm a field worker setting up edubuntu out in the community jelkner, which is not by editing rc files jelkner       i want to take care of the customers needs jelkner       as soon as possible jelkner       so i see recipes as way to do that kjcole        part two would be recipes or "hacks" for the day-to-day, I-need-it-now-and-don't-have-time-for-the-perfect-solution, problems. yes ogra, if you cannot edit rc files what can you edit? spacey        i'm a field worker as well spacey        if you want to call it like that flint, you can edit waht ou want ... but there is a better way kjcole ++ ogra, and when the "better way" shows up, then it becomes the new reciepe jelkner       exactly flint, there *is* a better way since hoary ! jelkner       then why don't we know it spacey        kjcole: anyway the first part is the most important one IMHO and its needs to be finished dunno ... === ian_brasil [n=ppbio@200.238.140.83] has joined #ubuntu-meeting i can only point again to language packs, keamap selector in gnome and the language selector ogra,  whenever we ask for a feature (say local storage) we get told that it will not go in.  local storage might become a reciepe === guillaumh [n=guillaum@4va54-1-81-56-99-20.fbx.proxad.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting jelkner       well, students are arriving, i need to run... flint, thats fine spacey, kjcole I agree about 1. basics 2. hacks ogra, the big problem with GUI solutions is you need an artist. ;-)  My thoughts would be kjcole        to try to get people less frightened of the command-line and editing files, while not badmouthing GUI solutions. ogra, I tried that as did elkner, you have to be at the terminal to switch languages.  The teacher is at the console. spacey        pips1: are you interested in writing up some stuff in the cookbook later on? kjcole, but do you agree, its easier to explain how to start a specific app and check two checkboxes next to your language than scaring users by adding third party scripts that edit rc files ? jelkner, flint : do you feel the "basics" don't need to be in the cookbook? if you make reciepes, please try to make them the most userfriendly way anyway, we're running out of time spacey, I don't have much linux experience under my hat, and I'm busy with edubuntu website already, sorry pips1, basics should be in the default browser page on the CD. the book suplements the edubuntu CD eh? pips1, so tell us about the website spacey        pips1: ok, np, just checking for possible victims:) === highvoltage [n=Jono@196.36.161.235] has joined #ubuntu-meeting flint, right hey highvoltage ... ogra, agreed.  Scripts are cool, but if users are going to fool around with editing, it kjcole        should be them doing the editing, not a third party script -- at least not without a lot of up-front explaination first. ogra, I promise you that both you and elkner will be upset with the reciepes, equally upset. highvoltage, good timing! ok, here I go re website highvoltage   hi ogra, pips1, kjcole and flint highvoltage   running late, sorry! flint, i just expect it to be written in a "ubuntu" way I'm thinking about the maintenance of the website. Not just in terms of technical maintenance, but in terms of content maintenance and successfully supporting a community. And hopefully, sustained growth of the community beyond our wildest dreams ;-) highvoltage, excellent we were just going on about the documentation.  I still like TuxLab Jonathan. highvoltage   :) flint, have a look at the ubuntu server guide (installed in dapper by default) Regarding features on the website, I'd like to start small and add more as the need arises. However, I think the first impression is important. We want to inspire enthusiasm, but avoid hype, IMO. Managing expectations is important. highvoltage   pips1: that maintenance is what i committed to two weeks ago :) kjcole        spacey, also agreed regarding the first part of the cookbook being more important.  That reaches out to the unconverted and nervous. ogra, give me a url... highvoltage   pips1: well said So, it'd be nice to foster a community around Edubuntu, not just sysadmins, but also teachers and students. I don't want to replicate stuff that's already available elsewhere on the web... so, how what's our "place"? flint, its in your help browser in dapper What users to we want to cater for? ogra, gotcha. will look. What content is the "core edubuntu team" (i.e. us, here) going to provide? highvoltage   pips1: the website should be several things, i think What content are new users expected to be able to contribute, besides documentation? What communication about non-technical subjects should we encourage? What about curriculum development with edu apps, e.g.? Should the Edubuntu really cater for that? kjcole        high, highvoltage ;-) highvoltage   1) It should cater for educators looking for help and documentation on edubuntu highvoltage   2) id should cater for those who want to do a roll-out of edubuntu labs, and need help it should also be a meeting point for users ... highvoltage   btw- these are just my thoughts, they are not set in stone and completely subject to change by your imput :) highvoltage   3) it should also be a meeting point for users heh :) highvoltage   :) highvoltage   and for people working collaboratively on edubuntu, aka the edubuntu community spacey: did anyone ever tell you that you look *just like* jorn baayen? yep === highvoltage notes this down spacey        jdub: no one :) spacey        who is it? highvoltage   pips1: any thoughts on this? spacey: author of muine, original author of rhythmbox. What about curriculum development with edu apps, e.g.? Should the Edubuntu really cater for that? spacey        jdub: link? highvoltage   pips1: imo, it could eventually. there's certainly a need, and demand for that. kjcole        pips1, it's a selling point, so probably yes. pips1, we should encourage it ... pips1: i don't think we currently have all the people we have for that, but it's something highvoltage   we should keep in mind with the design, because it's likely to spread in those areas in the future spacey        jdub: apparently i look like a lot of people, last time i went to the sportcenter some girl cursed at me for not recognizing her :p highvoltage   spacey: yeah, i get that a lot There are websites dedicated to educational content already, I don't know too much re website on curriculum development... as I said, I mainly want to know what to focus on, to avoid duplication. spacey: hrm, can't find picture. spacey        jdub: you added me to planet, thanks :) If we want to encourage a certain type of content and user contributions, I feel we need to have a bit of content of that sort there already, to get it started... spacey: saw your hackergotchi in the process, had to double check it was the one from your email :) I also think it's very, very important to stress the idea that this is about kjcole        community.  I've recently had a teacher that I encouraged to switch to Ubuntu instead try Mephis because someone gave it to him. spacey        :) pips1, at this time, the big threat I see to this documentation activity is the flash screen capture and voice over programs under windows, these work GREAT and make for quick documentation of a programming environment.  There is nothing like it in our arsenal. spacey        jdub: more edubuntu coming up @ planet now :P yay He went down the road alone, and now is lost, in spite of me trying to encourage him to ask kjcole        questions.  He's about ready to give up, and I've told him I'll sit down with him and Edubuntu... === ogra should start blogging again as well ... flint, right spacey: sweet! === licio [n=licio@ubuntu/member/licio] has joined #ubuntu-meeting spacey: edubuntu means cakes. highvoltage   pips1: sorry, did we loose track of what you were saying about the website? spacey        :P highvoltage, well, sort of :-) spacey        sorry pips1:) kjcole        jdub, the way to a man's stomach is through his computer? ;-) pips1, do you remember the names of these flash generators under windows?  I have been trying for several days to remember (getting old sucks :^) highvoltage   there's one for linux that works ok'ish, called 'wink' pips1, lets make a call to the mailing list for defaul content selection spacey        kjcole: and getting to his stomach means love we have a bunch of educators reading it :) highvoltage, yea it is a wimzical combination of audio capture and vnc right? === Mez [n=Mez@ubuntu/member/mez] has joined #ubuntu-meeting ogra, regarding blogging, drupal offers blogging out of the box, would you be interested in enabling a blog section on the new website then? (of course, blogs can always be easily integrated via rss feeds)? what do you say? highvoltage   flint: i don't think it uses vnc === _mvo_ [n=egon@p54A66471.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting pips1, sure, sounds good ... ogra, good idea to make a call on the list, I was thinking the same thing :-) spacey        pips1: in a non intrusive way:) spacey, what do you mean? so you mean something like planet.edubuntu ? spacey        well i don't think its really important for the website or even hosting the blogs ? spacey        ogra: drupal can do both i think ogra, it could simply be a section (main navigation item) "blog" on the website yep ok, we're out of time, lets move that discussion to the list ... kjcole        Would it be useful to have a more formal web-based survey anywhere to collect thoughts/wish-lists in some organized fashion? spacey        ok :) in drupal, every user could have their own blog, *if* we wanted any other artwork related info apart from the tech update ? kjcole        Oops. We ARE out of time, which means I'm going to be late for work...  ta-ta. every user = every user with an account kjcole, stay well whatch the traffic! pips1, could you contact the LP people if its possible to attach the account management to launchpad ? ogra, that's currently actually a todo item on highvoltage's list :-) === janimo [n=jani@Home03207.cluj.astral.ro] has joined #ubuntu-meeting it would be nice if we culd do the member management of the website via the edubuntu team in launchpad ah, k so anyone up with additional artwork tasks ? highvoltage, you still here? ajmitch       ogra: you'd need to use launchpad's authserver then, I think ajmitch, fine ... as long as it works :) ok, no artwork it seems ... JaneW, community/management issues you want to talk about ? highvoltage   pips1: sorry, just arrived in the office and people are bugging me ok, given that we are 20min over time, lets close that meeting now ... seems there are no open topics anymore for now ... ogra: *thinks* === flint flint is comfortable with the trouble he has caused for this morning... oh yes we have entered Edubuntu into the Prix Arz Electronica 2006 competition ogra: did you get my mail? yeah yep you able to mail it off, or should I just do it from here? === mvo__ [n=egon@p54A66471.dip.t-dialin.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting no, i'm fine mailing it I thought it was more likely to get there from you our snail mail service sucks highvoltage   flint: that's not the attitude! thanks i'll trow it in today ... *throw ogra: I praised you in your bio and said you deserve and award! heh, really ? and=an highvoltage, indeed :^) :) ogra: so I hope you get it :)) ogra, if for nothing else for stoic patience, and I mean that. is everything else on track? highvoltage   JaneW: what's this that ogra's getting? JaneW, everything is fine, nothing to see here... just move on... yea, that's it JaneW, apart from the CDs being oversized (which is never news)... the entry form has to be printed signed and physically mailed to be valid *shrug* odd I know we were discussin the option to drop firefox... but to many things depend directly on it (which is a bug imho) is this Prix Arz Electronica 2006 a particular nationality, I would prefer french so as to anger the bush admin. flint, austrian relatively popular in the german speaking europe ... === nomed [n=nomed@host16-58.pool8252.interbusiness.it] has joined #ubuntu-meeting ogra, that will only mildly annoy our state department :^( ok, lest move to #edubuntu spacey        k

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