Edubuntu/Meetings/Logs/2006-03-01

Meeting March

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01:00 ogra           hey all jelkner [n=jelkner@158.59.192.165] has joined #ubuntu-meeting hey pips1 [n=chatzill@48.21.63.81.cust.bluewin.ch] has joined #ubuntu-meeting flint_ [n=flint@montpeliervt-cuda1-24-50-146-184.sbtnvt.adelphia.net] has joined #ubuntu-meeting where is flint ? ah :) Kamping_Kaiser lol hi so can we start ? ogra, I want to get one of those remote starters to pre warm ubuntu-meeting so it is warm when we get here! :^) tech update is rather small today ogra, lol exce..ent flint_, heh is JaneW coming? the CD exploded some days ago when the ubuntu example-content package was added, i dont think we can ship it :/ nope, JaneW has a bank holiday elections in southafrica ah what's the example-content package? ogra: you mean, we won't be able to ship the example-content on the edubuntu cds? its a 7Mb package and we simply dont have this much ... i'm not even sure we have 1MB on ppc amd64 small general good news, crsoosver 5.0.1 and ms office on top work on the badger version of edubuntu real well... highvoltage, example content for all apps we ship to play around with ogra: i see. does that include example content for ktouch? that seems to be in high demand. its an awesome idea ... but as long as we ship kdeedu we wont have the space highvoltage, nope its ubuntu specific, not edubuntu there are some openoffice docs, some svg and bitmaps etc ... summing up to a 7MB package i'd really appreciate if someone could start research for replacements of kdeedu for dapper+1 that would gain us ~100Mb (guessed) ogra: i suppose it's a lot of work to do a dvd version, hey? really? wow! i didn't realise it was *that* much ogra: how do the space requirements add up in all? I mean, how much space is ubuntu taking in comparison to edubuntu-specific stuff? highvoltage, not really, but we decided we want to be available in areas weher no DVD players are available highvoltage, even if its 50, it would be wonderful ... pips1, we take more than 70MB more and i already disabled what i could from ubuntu highvoltage, it is not just the dvd player, it is the bandwidth necessary to deliver a 4.8Gb iso eh note that amd64 with the same set of software wouldnt even build, we dont have tuxpaint on amd64 ... highvoltage, we still have the DVD that contains all of main... but it wont be our main media for now ogra: you are saying that you need to get rid of 70 MB because it exceeds the limit for a cd currently, right? i guess at some point where we ship something that enables you to manage the whole school we'll have no choice ... yep, i'm just in two worlds about kde-edu, it's a real nice, active project, just a pity we need to install so much in order to run it terrex [n=capitant@84-122-65-159.onocable.ono.com] has joined #ubuntu-meeting highvoltage, keep in mind that 70 mb of cd is 10 percent... pips1, i cann keep the CD in shape .... currently its fine, but we dont have any space left ... which brings me to the next tech topic dvd players seem to be vrey, very common already. perhaps by dapper+2 it would be much more plausible we have a edubuntu-docs packag since last week i'm waiting for Kamion to push it through NEW Kamping_Kaiser highvoltage: but only in 'the first world' ogra, got a url? Kamping_Kaiser: and 3rd world it contains a modified version of the two ooo docs highvoltage presented last time flint_, once its through new: sudo apt-get install edubuntu-docs ogra: that's in html now, right? yup i'll rework it ogra, this is excellent news!  bet he did not have a beautiful illustrator to charm like jonathan did... but first i'm adding some basic docs for our ltsp ... ogra: what's up with the feature freeze... did schooltool make it in time? pips1, schooltool sits in debian and waits for a sync ... the launchpad feature for syncing is still not ready, so we're all waiting for that but it was requested and approved in time ... so we'll get it, dont worry ogra, shcooltool is important.  will the old version be included otherwise? ogra: ic flint_, that wont work flint_: you just won't let that go, will you ;) ogra, gotcha.  does it have to do with its zope3-ishness? yup highvoltage, jonathan, the man the legend :^) but dont worry, schooltool will be in jane and i decided to make a separate spec for the network swap stuff, it can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/FullyAutomaticSwapServer ogra and jane++ i'm also thinking about a kiosk mode on ltsp level for dapper+1 that should gain us a lot of points in public librarys and internet cafes :) ogra, we marketing weasels always like a good demo kiosk. i think it will be a hit flint_, you just had to add the --kiosk argument to the ltsp-build-client command that sets up ltsp and the rest will be done automatically :) Kamping_Kaiser i agree with highvoltage and otehrs ther just boot the clients :) Kamping_Kaiser *others there ogra, gotcha, which flight should i try this with? ok, thats it with tech update ... flint_, flightX of dapper+1 ;) its a plan for next release ... since the question for kiosk mode comes up quite often on the website, there's not too much of a change yet. ok, any news in the doc area ? ogra, ollie, we should move on to annoying the edubuntu cooks jelkner, ? pips1 wants to get his hands on that schooltool release, and wonders how "ready" it is for the class room, since it only an "alpha development snapshot" sorry, i just jumped in there highvoltage, no, its fine ... pips1, we gotta talk... email flint@flint.com schooltool in subject. if you have something doc related ... maybe it needs to be pointed out in the edubuntu doc that schooltool is an alpha release, cf. http://www.schooltool.org/products/schooltool-2006/releases/2006.0-alpha1 ? highvoltage agrees ogra, kcole and jelkner just got back from pycon, and they may be a little "py-eyed" from the flight pips1, i'm pretty sure thats not what we ship ogra: yes? ogra: no?! the news from pycon in dallas is that while they may be dead from the flight back to DC, Lore lives! take it away Jeff... we have the cookbook on the wiki jelkner, now is the moment when you give the url jeffster. kevin and i will try to write a few chapters on installing and setting up edubuntu as soon as the release gets closer and things are likely to change less frequently pips1, if that the one we ship, i agree, i'll have to check if that 2006, i think its thae last release of the last release we have :) (and not 2006-alpha) a google search for "edubuntu cookbook" returns the launchpad page on top this is not what we would like jelkner, the sooner you to get me a url the faster I can whine about details, pepper you with critisim and hector you for minor changes. https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-cooks jelkner, thats hard to influence is the launchpad page jelkner: many people would like to change their google rankings, you just can't control it :/ jelkner, thanks, i mean all that in the nicest way.:^) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/EdubuntuDocumentation/EdubuntuCookbook is the wiki page jelkner: where would you like it to point? perhaps we can make that page more googlable the wiki page jelkner: perhaps you should link to that wiki page then from the launchpad page? which doesn't show up anywhere in the goolge search that i can see jelkner, can you link the wikipage from launchpad somewhere ? jelkner: it will also push up the ranks for the wiki page in google then we did but it is not at all easy to follow https://launchpad.net/people/edubuntu-cooks doesnt have it ... kevin and i could not figure out how to make a link on the lauchpad page using something like an anchore tag how ddi you get the other link in there it does, ogra, but you have to See https://launchpad.net/products/edubuntu.cookbook jelkner: you can just type it like you did here in irc, you don't need tags and stuff yes, but it then looks hideous it is too long to fit in the box and the text runs over into the sidebar jelkner, ah, just put a hint into the description or something ... orgra: i'm not sure what you mean? Quote from the launchpad page "For a look at the current cookbook, click on the link to the home page in the left menu." "please click on the homepage link on the left to get to the wiki page" ahh will do oh, ah i'm blind sorry :) ogra: I had to look twice myself :-) heh :) jelkner, looks pretty good to me... ok, that's about it for the cookbook jelkner, nah, tell us about lore... lore? lore is twisted's markup language they use it for all the docs on twitedmatrix.com i've been using it for stuff that i do on the open book project site moshe zadka wrote it george paci is maintaining it highvoltage, jonathan, watch yourself here, there is a very high cliff approaching, great view but dangerous... and moshe and george are getting together at pycon to sprint on it (or rather, hopefully they did already ;-) flint_: that's how i like it ;) ok, i gotta run jelkner, jeff the reason you use it is because it is gods gift to indexing eh? thanks jeff!!! bye ciao jelkner and tzhanks hmpf anything else doc related ? tha'ts it for doc then? ogra, imagine getting a meeting done early!  would jane be suprised? heh, might be so, artwork anyone ? ogra didnt do work on the artwork package last week if there's any updates? sure. ogra, artwork going once...artwork going twice....SOLD! flint_, to whom ? ok, then may i jump in with a very quick website update now? hehe highvoltage goes anywya yeah highvoltage, go for it!! highvoltage: please i just aked znarl about the drupal installation, he was rather busy busy last weke, he'll say he'll make a plan to get it installed tomoorrow or the day after i've played a bit with the spreadfirefox theme locally too it's very suitable for edubuntu allready highvoltage: nice! cool interesting... although we'll have to make the colours work, janew was clear that she wanted us to keep the edubuntu colours currently in use. that's about it :) any questions? yup, thats our face to the world, we should keep the colortheme highvoltage: did you also check the (drupal) admin screens with the spreadfirefox theme? on some screens, I got some weird overlapping forms.. :-/ the orange and the yellow? pips1: haven't noticed that yet flint_, red orange yellow the main colors of our desktop flint_, bright and friendly :) ogra, forgive i am not very well red... :^) I have quite a bit of spare time to work on the website in the next weeks... so ideally we get down to it sooner rather than later... flint_, but a bit bordeaux, no ? :) flint_: yes. it's nice colours, although odd for websites, but it presents a good challenge, and when we'll make it work we'll have something that's both good looking and unique for the record, I'll be on a holiday when edubuntu is released... ogra, harsh, you could at least pun in German eh? pips1, we'll drink on you :) holiday april 8th - 22th pips1: that's great. we'll of course need to continue working on the site after it's launch flint_, bordeaux comes from the hills of france not germany :) highvoltage: sure ogra, god, help me... :^) thats it with artwork ? ogra, ah to be back in the hills of farce... :^) anything else Management and/or Community related ? we could break 15 minutes early and create a newsworthy item. yeah, since it doesnt look like there is any topic left, we can close :) so thanks all, meeting adjouned :) or so ... thanks, ogra thanks