||<>|| == Full log == {{{ [00:00] I'M NOT LATE. [00:00] me too :) [00:00] made it with seconds to spare :) [00:01] Oh yes. [00:01] o/ [00:01] Howdy [00:01] #startmeeting [00:01] Meeting started at 18:01. The chair is duanedesign. [00:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [00:01] hello everyone and thank you for coming [00:02] it is awesome to have so many new people joining the team [00:03] our mentee seeking mentor list is kinda long [00:03] I'm kidnapping them as fast I can :P [00:03] funny how it turned out exactly as i predicted in august duanedesign [00:03] however I notice some of those folks I have never seen in the channel [00:03] * jledbetter goes to look at it. [00:04] or was it oktober ... time flies }}} === pairing padawans === {{{ [00:04] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Membership [00:04] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Membership [00:04] is there anyone here who has not yet been paired up with antone? [00:05] anyone* [00:05] Sorry im late [00:05] duanedesign: as people on the mentor list are recommended by their TL's, it is a difficult problem. Do we turn them away are welcome them? [00:05] or should that be paired up with someone...:P [00:05] hakimsheriff: No problem. I was -almost- late myself. [00:05] Paired up as in 'seeking master'? Right? [00:05] /sare/or [00:06] jledbetter: yes a master or mentor [00:06] phillw: what is TL? [00:06] Team Leader? [00:06] Team Leader, as per the email sent out. [00:06] * jledbetter isn't a mentor or master but has no available time at the moment, unfortunately. [00:07] jledbetter: ok, thank you for beiing honest [00:07] I was here before the team was even called what it is now. I guess that classifies as enough experience :P [00:07] Sadly, I have no time either. [00:07] That's how I roll :) Maybe next month. [00:08] I am not a full member yet so I cant [00:08] hakimsheriff2: do you have a Beginners Team member sho is helping you out? [00:09] Mohi is.my mentor [00:09] each prospective member should have someone who is helping them join the team and.or joining a team in the community [00:09] hakimsheriff2: oh great [00:09] he has been a little ill lately. he will be back soon [00:09] Thats why I didnt see him [00:10] Is https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Mentors up to date? Those the only approved masters/mentors? [00:10] lets keep an eye out for the people on the mentee list and see who stops by the channel [00:10] No member either....even if I was, wouldn't have much time :) [00:10] MrChrisDruif: you are doing great :) [00:10] hakimsheriff if you need a bit of extra help, I'm sure that pedro would assist you, those two guys work very closely together. [00:11] yes mohi has chicken pox :( I think he is on the mends though [00:11] Help in what exactly? [00:11] Remember that Ubuntu is purely volunteer work, you contribute only if you have the time for it, so there's no pressure if you can't due to other obligations. [00:11] hakimsheriff in any area. [00:11] hakimsheriff2: anything UBuntu or BT related [00:12] Mohi helps me getting involved [00:12] collinp: so true. We want this to be fun [00:12] It is fun! [00:12] fun +1 [00:12] Suggestion: discuss this after the meeting? O:-) [00:12] Sure [00:13] fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuun [00:13] also all the members of the team are your mentors. Everyone gets someone assigned to them to be a designated contact, but dont be afrais to ask anyone on the team a question [00:13] pedro3005: lol [00:13] Btw.... My normal nick doesnt hav a 2 in it [00:13] jledbetter: yes that is the list [00:14] ehich is a good transition into next topic [00:14] :) }}} === more mentors === {{{ [00:14] [TOPIC] more mentors [00:14] New Topic: more mentors [00:14] ok, we put into place some new requirements to be a mento. [00:14] mentor [00:15] Welcome seidos. [00:15] basically the community at large wanted some reassurance that our mentors knew their stuff [00:15] gracias collinp [00:16] Have to be a Master to be Mentor, right? [00:16] if the bug guys or the doc guys are going to send mentees to us they want to make sure we are assigning knowledgable mentors [00:16] jledbetter: yes, I think all members are masters [00:16] Great. [00:16] duanedesign: there was only one way I could get Manuela happy as a mentor, as she does not fit into any of the main 4 groups, but Accessibility is a vital part of ubuntu. So I put her htere. [00:17] *there* [00:17] that makes sense [00:17] phillw: we want to start an accessebility FG eventually [00:17] so I see no problem with that [00:17] That'd be nice. [00:18] If you all saw my email earlier today it outlined breifly the requirments to be a mentor [00:18] bug fg mentor should be a member of Bug Control [00:18] doc FG, doc contributors or wiki admin [00:18] as the TL for speechcontrol and dragging a dormant project back to life, she has done outstanding work. [00:18] I talked with cprofitt on a accessibility FG , he said it would fit in with devs and support [00:19] support fg, is based on contributions since their is no community team counterpart [00:19] Development FG you should be a Contributing Developers, per-package uploaders, MOTU or Core Developers. [00:19] is there a particular focus group considered to have the most need right now? [00:20] hhmmm, good question }}} === accessibility FG === {{{ [00:20] Accessibility, as it's a young fg? [00:20] ill think about that [00:21] i want to encourage all members to be mentors [00:21] seidos: they all need help, but having missed the 10.10 docs, if you are familar with wiki and docs, that team needs a bit of help. [00:21] if an accessibility FG would be created, the people with interest are recommended to be forwarded to #ubuntu-accessibility [00:21] phillw: i have done a bit of wiki [00:21] i was going to say bugs, but you kind of need to know dev to fix code, unless bugs need triaging [00:22] If you are already a member of one of the community teams I mentioned, or you feel like you have enough support under your belt please let me or cprofitt know [00:22] so we can add you to othe mentor list [00:23] Will do [00:23] I also wanted to ask if anyone thinks there are any good ideas for encouraging/helping each other join these teams so we can increase the number of mentors [00:23] i was not on the list but i been made mentor not long ago [00:23] duanedesign: the creation of an accessibility FG would allow more people to feel comfortable, they need not be a member of just one. There are, for example, some excellent coders on the tram. I'd ask that you check with the council [00:24] /s/tram/team/ [00:24] right now we will probablly do the accessebility FG under another FG until it grows a bit and then we will make an official FG [00:24] duanedesign: I have a broad interest, so I try know a bit of all [00:25] Good idea [00:25] i think charlie-tca is also very interested in accessebility [00:25] duanedesign, How to get more mentors? Ask? Maybe training too? [00:25] i dabbled in accessibility [00:25] i couldn't get orca working [00:25] not sure what other tools are out there [00:26] jledbetter: i thought maybe some loose knit ggroups that help each other accomplish the requirements for membership in the team of interest [00:26] i am mentor accessibility duanedesign [00:26] duanedesign: but it is a bit difficult, as we do teaching web pages, have devs working on projects etc. They just do not know where to 'slot in' [00:26] seidos: you can ask that in #ubuntu-accessibility [00:26] duanedesign, I can definitely see that being helpful with dev. It's a huge realm. [00:27] phillw: Accessibility would fit in under the dev FG. [00:27] PabloRubianes: hello [00:27] yes [00:27] Until it gets to a critical mass where it can form it's own FG. [00:27] PabloRubianes: sorry i was tryiing to respond to your PM :P [00:27] collinp: what is considered critical mass ? [00:27] Enough to sustain it. [00:27] Probably 10+ members. [00:28] yes we have had a problem in the past of jumping the gun on FG [00:28] collinp: speechcontrol itself is well past that :) [00:28] collinp: I think we reached that already [00:28] where we have focus groups that sound ggreat, we form them and they never quite sustain themselves [00:28] as we are under the access group, you'd be suprised :) [00:28] I am using a text to speech right now [00:29] UndiFineD: thats great. we can work on that this month and put it on the agenda for next meeting [00:29] phillw: Consider the fact that the Dev and Wiki FGs are the only ones that have 5+ members in their IRC channels. [00:29] Accessibility helps everyone so it's good that it's a very popular group [00:29] Great hakimsheriff2 :) [00:29] Right now, at least. [00:29] we have 40 members on speechcontrol team and we are attached on the accessibility program collinp [00:29] duanedesign: I know that fully well, but with people like hajour and pen, along with alan bell - that FG would be self sustainable. [00:30] Speaking of the Dev FG, at the end of the meeting duanedesign, could I make an impromptu announcement? [00:30] collinp: absolutely [00:30] new members interested in accessibility are requested to join #ubuntu-accessibility [00:31] UndiFineD: already joined [00:31] they are also required to sign the CoC [00:31] ok so we need more mentors, so lets encourage each other and do what we can there [00:32] Sounds good }}} === padawan progression === {{{ [00:32] well, I think I might be ready for a new padawan soon [00:32] duanedesign: i can go where i'm wanted. people don't like hanging out in an empty and/or quiet channel [00:32] :) [00:32] duanedesign: I have a new lubuntueer, he's a dev person. I may be able to get him on board. [00:32] UndiFineD flies through his padawan's :P [00:33] ok whho has mentee here? [00:33] who wants to give an update [00:33] duanedesign: Hmm? [00:33] duanedesign: I have 4! [00:33] well there are all working on the accessibility programs seidos because i have many in the speechcontrol team [00:33] I have MrChrisDruif , who needs testamonials [00:33] * seidos flies through his master [00:33] d'oh [00:34] * seidos puts on the rock of shame and the rock of triumph [00:34] phillw: Wow. [00:34] That's quite a bit. [00:34] xD [00:34] MrChrisDruif: at each meeting we like to give updates on how our mentees are doing. Mentors/Masters share the success, or disappearances of their mentees [00:34] ill go first [00:34] UndiFineD: MrChrisDruif is a wonderful padawan, it is joy and delight to chat to him. He has learned so much. [00:34] Daniel** has been doing well. He has been putting in the time showing up in the channel [00:35] he also is working with phillw [00:35] next [00:35] i think MrChrisDruif also would be a good master [00:35] dont be shy, someone tell us how your mentee is doing... [00:36] What about mentee saying how she/he is doing if master isn't present? [00:36] that would be awesome [00:36] I know that two of mine have had 'issues', but they have assured me that they will not let the project that they have been assigned to down. [00:37] phillw: i think as long as they let you know what is going on [00:37] MrChrisDruif has been my padawan for a small month, he has been around much longer than that, he is my first, but I think he is ready for his testamonials, he made great progress and is involved in the development with many common teams [00:38] UndiFineD: If it were a vote, he'd get a +1 from me without hesitation. [00:38] do you cover positive and negative aspects of mentees or padwans? [00:38] yes MrChrisDruif i see alot in the channel which is good :) [00:38] duanedesign: phillw is omnipresent (or has his ways of getting the news O:-)) [00:38] seidos: mostly positives and missing in actions [00:39] RIP MIA :( [00:39] seidos: we tend to emphasize the positive, negative aspects can be dealt with in private hmm :) [00:39] Look who strolls in. [00:39] duanedesign, cprofitt is not here but i have JackyAlcine in my team many hours and i see him also often in ubuntu beginners team and in ubuntu-beginners helping [00:39] that way if someone is missing someone else has the opportunity to say oh [s]he is... [00:39] UndiFineD: always? like festering wounds? [00:39] yes [00:39] i mean yes to hajour :) [00:40] i inferred \o/ [00:40] is inference the same as assumption? hmmm [00:40] Inference is guessing something missing based on what is given. [00:40] Assumption is guessing based on past experience. [00:41] haha [00:41] I think JackyAlcine is ready [00:41] ok great [00:41] past experience isn't given? hmmmm [00:41] hajour: I think JackyAlcine would make an excellent mentor, he has the patience to help and the thirst to learn. [00:41] collinp, a little could you be a little more clear? [00:41] yes agree phillw [00:42] [ACTION] work on accessebility fg [00:42] ACTION received: work on accessebility fg [00:42] Does JackyAlcine have the time? He's always busy with SpeechControl :) [00:42] Er. google.com -> define:inference and define:assumption [00:42] collinp: i don't disagree with the definitions [00:42] thanks :) [00:42] i can infer from what he implied [00:42] But anyway... [00:42] MrChrisDruif, a mentee can work with the project fromm his her mentor }}} === consider accessibility FG === {{{ [00:42] i think that is hajour and UndiFineD. The accessebility fg [00:42] charlie-tca: Oh my god. [00:43] lol [00:43] but assume is never good [00:43] charlie-tca: you can, but should you ;) [00:43] Back to agenda, please :) [00:43] ^ good idea. [00:43] there are enough people on accessibilty channels to support a FG - Some quite astounding people in fact }}} === new member voting === {{{ [00:44] oh and charlie-tca and hggdh have been doing a great job of being available to answer questions in our channel about bug triage [00:44] * hggdh hears self's name [00:44] please be aware they are there and they love to help :) [00:44] yes, the user days was nice [00:44] duanedesign: and tenach has started the classroom sessions for coding web sites [00:45] ? phillw did i miss it ? [00:46] UndiFineD: we have not done that one yet.... me and another are doing those sessions :D [00:46] me and cprofitt talked today about hggdh and charlie-tca becoming members of the BT. I probably dont have to tell you all they would be great members of the team [00:46] I don't want to be a party pooper, but we've got about 15 mins left.... [00:47] duanedesign: totally agree-ing [00:47] and since the last thing we always cover is member votes let us vote on them being members :) [00:47] duanedesign: I do not know hggdh, but charlie-tca I would give a +1 to [00:47] There's not another meeting for a while, so we probably won't have any trouble if we go over the meeting time. [00:47] +1 [00:47] phillw: I am one of the admins for bug-control and bugsquad [00:48] duanedesign, good lets vote then [00:48] [VOTE] hggdh for member [00:48] Please vote on: hggdh for member. [00:48] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [00:48] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [00:48] +1 [00:48] +1 [00:48] +1 received from duanedesign. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [00:48] +1 received from collinp. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [00:48] hggdh: you have just gained a +1 from me, bug hunting is a neverending task [00:48] +1 [00:48] +1 received from UndiFineD. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [00:48] +1 [00:48] +1 received from hajour. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [00:48] +1 [00:48] +1 received from phillw. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 [00:49] +1 [00:49] +1 received from PabloRubianes. 6 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 6 [00:49] any other members present to vote [00:49] Well, that was simple. [00:49] [ENDVOTE] [00:49] Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 0 abstained. Total: 6 [00:49] yaa [00:49] :-) [00:49] thank you folks [00:49] +1 (I was reading sorry) [00:49] Grats! [00:49] welcome hggdh [00:49] hggdh: I think you mentioning "admin for bug-control and bugsquad" did the trick :P [00:49] congrats hggdh [00:49] Congratulations, hggdh [00:49] heh [00:49] Congratz hggdh :) [00:49] ok now mr charlie [00:49] congrats hggdh and charlie-tca [00:50] I am just an underling compared to hggdh [00:50] +1, late [00:50] I met charlie at UDS and I see him all over the community. He would be a great +! iin my book [00:50] love you guys, keep on keeping on [00:50] charlie-tca: not at all [00:50] hajour: I think we need to vote about it (but will prolly pass) [00:50] [VOTE] charlie-tca for member [00:50] Please vote on: charlie-tca for member. [00:50] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [00:50] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [00:50] +1 [00:50] +1 [00:50] +1 [00:50] +1 [00:50] +1 received from UndiFineD. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [00:50] +1 received from duanedesign. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [00:50] +1 received from jledbetter. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [00:50] 0 [00:50] +1 received from hajour. 4 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [00:50] +1 [00:50] +1 received from paultag. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 [00:50] er [00:50] +0 [00:50] Abstention received from collinp. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5 [00:50] +1 [00:50] +1 [00:50] +1 received from PabloRubianes. 6 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 6 [00:50] +1 received from phillw. 7 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 7 [00:50] ok... anymore [00:51] Can I vote? [00:51] seidos [00:51] ya [00:51] hggdh: I think so, you're a member now :) [00:51] :) [00:51] +1 [00:51] +1 received from hggdh. 8 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 8 [00:51] hggdh: Your a member ;) [00:51] he catches on quick [00:51] duanedesign: inorite? [00:51] [ENDVOTE] [00:51] Final result is 8 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 8 [00:51] woo hoo [00:51] charlie-tca is worth it ;-) [00:51] Congratz charlie-tca :) [00:51] Thank you [00:51] Congratulions charlie-tca :) [00:51] charlie-tca: 'grats [00:52] collinp: did yiu want to say something? [00:52] yeee, I am not the newest member anymore [00:52] charlie-tca, congrats!!! [00:52] s/Congratulions/Congratulations/ [00:52] charlie-tca: welcome [00:52] Oh, yes. [00:52] charlie-tca: and hggdh welcome to UBT. [00:52] duanedesign:could we vote on JackyAlcine and / or MrChrisDruif ? [00:52] and seidos ! [00:52] We need more members for the Dev FG. I was staving off due to the team structure changes, but I think this would be the best time to announce that, since most of the team is here. [00:52] =-O [00:52] duanedesign, can JackyAlcine be next time on the list for to become ubt member ? [00:52] heh, seidos is like mohi [00:52] The current member list for the Dev FG, I can count on two hands. [00:52] you mean he is not a member yet! [00:52] The active members I could count on one hand. [00:53] duanedesign, he's been my padawan for about a year [00:53] collinp: you are rifght [00:53] If you're interested in joining.. well, let me get the wiki page. [00:53] i can't stand that guy anymore! make him a member already [00:53] pedro3005: A year? [00:53] :P just kidding [00:53] he's cool [00:53] collinp, Aren't we a member if we're on launchpad? [00:53] jledbetter: You're a member if you're in the Launchpad team, yes. [00:53] i know there is a lot of interest in the Dev FG... [00:53] MrChrisDruif, he became my padawan less than a week after I became a member myself }}} === More members requested for Developers FG === {{{ [00:53] But first, there's a process. [00:54] Woots [00:54] pedro3005: Same with UndiFineD and me :) [00:54] If you want it simply put, it's me checking that you have the credentials enough to be a productive member of the team (not very much) and helping you if you don't. [00:54] Maybe two weeks...didn't count O:-) [00:54] So apply to the Launchpad group and I'll get to you on IRC to ensure that you have the credentials for the team. [00:55] [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development [00:55] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/FocusGroups/Development [00:55] That's a nice idea to help folks get there, collinp [00:55] dev FG is aweosme. [00:55] so, let's please consider. the poor guy will go on an existential crisis [00:55] MrChrisDruif: this is a marathon, not a sprint. take your time and get to know other members :) [00:55] ok seidos [00:55] Rage. I can't find the wiki page. [00:55] pedro3005: couldn't you just make a program to automagically confirm members? [00:56] So I'll just have to list them out manually. [00:56] collinp, Is it the one duanedesign linked? [00:56] * seidos laments and gnashes his teeth === davidm_ is now known as Guest14614 [00:56] phillw: I didn't mention being voted upon O:-) [00:56] jledbetter: That's the team's Wiki page, but not the one I'm looking for. [00:56] Ah ok [00:56] seidos, but, democracy! [00:56] we will do MrChrisDruif and JackyAlcine next meeting so if you have not met them yet take a minute to say hi [00:56] Ok. Knowing or be learning a programming language is the biggest one. [00:56] pedro3005: have everyone vote on your program ;) [00:56] Even Java? ;) [00:56] Hai :D [00:56] Any programming language will do. [00:56] jledbetter: Yes, even java. [00:57] haha :D [00:57] seidos, that program exists, it's called MootBot [00:57] (sadly) but uh [00:57] No, I'm kidding. [00:57] yeah [00:57] we don't take java programmers [00:57] :'( [00:57] alright duanedesign [00:57] ok [00:57] * jledbetter takes her blocks and goes home [00:57] i wish i knew java, heh [00:57] Knowing your way around bug trackers and release systems is preferred. [00:57] That's about all that I can think of. [00:57] jledbetter, it's okay. you can still repent your sins. haskell will show you the way to salvation [00:58] haha Haskell? hahahahaha [00:58] Yeah bug tracker, versioning (bzr/git), yep yep [00:58] * pedro3005 grumbles [00:59] enough dev chat? [00:59] :) [00:59] Typical knowledge of development tools is preferred. [00:59] Now I'm done. [00:59] Never! But ok. [00:59] we can diverge to -dev if necessary }}} === new member voting 2 === {{{ [00:59] anything else? [00:59] uhm... the voting... [00:59] Are we going to make seidos wait one more month [00:59] :) [00:59] where is confirmation recorded? [01:00] a wiki? [01:00] AM I allowed to vote? [01:00] i could just go and update it... [01:00] seidos: Hm? [01:00] I am not a full memebr yet [01:00] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/seidos [01:00] hakimsheriff: why not? [01:00]