== General Agenda Items and Proposals == PLEASE COME TO THE MEETINGS PREPARED. This means: 1. If there is an issue for the team, add it to the agenda. 1. Agenda items then should be discussed "informally" on #ubuntu-beginners. 90 % of the discussion should have taken place before the meeting. 1. Meetings are primarily for decision making/team votes. Read the agenda and discuss your thoughts before the meeting. 10 % (or less) of the discussion should happen during the meeting. 1. Agenda items that require more then 5 minutes of discussion may need to be deferred. ||Who || What || ||BodhiZazen||Team channels, support in main channel or -help|| ||BodhiZazen||BT Roadmap|| ||ibuclaw||Remove the Stalkers FG from BT Structure|| ||[[nhandler]]||Use Launchpad as official member list for FGs and remove wiki lists|| ||[[meindian523|Easwar]]||Decision on logging of #ubuntu-beginners|| ||[[cprofitt]]||Security Focus Group Plans for next year|| ||[[leoquant]]||Unvoice members of the beginners team in #ubuntu-beginners, it is against Irc (n)etiquette|| '''Nota Bene:''' [[Silver_Fox | Silver Fox]] will be chairing the meeting. :) === Agenda discussion === [[cprofitt]] I like the suggestion to use LP as the official membership roster. It will cut down on old information being scattered across the wiki. == Log == {{{#!IRC [00:00] Shall we begin? [00:00] sounds good to me Silver_Fox_ [00:00] Okay. [00:00] I haz arrived, and perfectly on time! [00:00] #startmeeting [00:01] Meeting started at 18:00. The chair is Silver_Fox_. [00:01] Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE] [00:01] [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings [00:01] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings [00:01] [TOPIC]Team channels, support in main channel or -help [00:01] New Topic: Team channels, support in main channel or -help [00:01] Go bodhi_zazen [00:02] Thanks [00:02] I think it has been decided to move support to -help as much a possible [00:02] -help is much more active these days - go team [00:03] and feel free to ping me if assistance is needed [00:03] Hi today is the beginners team meeting? [00:03] Yes IngForigua [00:03] short support questions are "OK" from time to time in the main channel [00:03] Oh ok, so we not changing it to the main then? cabaret just turning into an alt hangout then? [00:03] there are beginners team in spanish? [00:04] I would prefer to keep -beginners to team business and more "formal" and move as much team banter as possible to ##cabaret [00:04] bodhi_zazen: but then what purpose does -beginners serve? [00:04] doing so has reduced the number of complaints I have recieved drastically [00:05] Is that not -beginners not banter channel anymore? [00:05] bodhi_zazen: hmmmm, alright, so cabaret for really random stuff and main more "proper". I got ya. [00:05] although be aware ##cabaret is not an official ubuntu channel and so you may see some fairly off topic banter / links [00:05] yes please starcraftman [00:05] Please *try* to banter in ##cabaret [00:06] Okay, shall we move onto the vote? [00:06] is ##cabaret subject to the CoC? [00:06] I do not personally mind banter in the main channel, but at the team has grown banter seems to be causing issues [00:06] Not that I know of pleia2 [00:07] ok, I won't be joining then [00:07] So what is the vote exactly? [00:07] my understanding is ## channels are "unofficial" [00:07] 2 votes if you want [00:07] 1 - support to -help [00:07] Okay. [00:07] and [00:07] 2 - banter to ##cabaret [00:07] bodhi_zazen: While I am in ##cabaret, I don't feel as comfortable chatting there. [00:07] LOL [00:08] why lukjadOO7 ? [00:08] Why not adopt an o4o policy similar to -offtopic? [00:08] rather than spreading out over more channels. [00:08] canthus13: what is that ? o4o policy ? [00:08] bodhi_zazen: Because it's not with the CoC, so I feel somewhat uncertain as to what goes. [00:08] !o4o > bodhi_zazen [00:08] bodhi_zazen, please see my private message [00:08] sorry I'm late :) [00:08] o4o is basically a policy that outlines topics where people should tread lightly. [00:09] maco: thanks. [00:09] * canthus13 didn't realize ubottu was in here. :) [00:09] why not again, cut out help: ubuntu-beginners == support channel and ubuntu-team == team banter and or team business? [00:09] .msg ubottu !o4o [00:09] mainly for two reasons [00:09] dvz-: +1 [00:09] leaves us still at 2 channels both of which can be governed by coc [00:09] #1 is that policy is really not working in the main channel [00:09] dvz-: I thought that was proposed and shot down once? [00:10] jgoguen: this whole issue has been proposed and shot down many times. [00:10] more than once and by more than one person [00:10] bodhi_zazen: Another thing is that I don't care to spread out chat on many different channels. [00:10] We (I) get too many complaints when the team banters in the main channel [00:10] +1 bodhi_zazen [00:10] is that because it's banter or because of the specific topic of the banter? [00:10] Sorry but this is getting on. I propose that this be discussed some more and we move onto another topic. [00:11] We have a full agenda [00:11] I think we can just move to up down vote on bodhi's suggestions. [00:11] Okay, can we vote about the moving help to -help?: [00:11] Silver_Fox_: ^ [00:11] maco, we get off topic in #ubuntu-beginners, and most people expect help to be there. [00:11] paultag: ah ok [00:11] The team, in general, seems unable to tolerate o4o topics and there has been a real breakdown in tolerance in the main channel, IMO [00:11] maco, where our real help channel is #ubuntu-beginners-help :) [00:11] bodhi_zazen: and we get too many comlaints when people help others in the main channel....other than these meetings, what team business is of so great of time investment that it deems we need a new channel for offtopic? [00:12] We should move these meeting to the main channel, IMO [00:12] dvz-: I agree, but some people are upset about it. [00:12] persia: I know I'm a bit late, but freenode guidelines would still apply, but that is about it (re ##cabaret) [00:12] err pleia2 [00:12] dvz-: it is more that I am tired of the complaints [00:12] lukjadOO7: if we limited the team channel to strictly business, then it would remain idle a majority of the time then. [00:12] So bodhi's proposal to summarize as I get it: Help -> long answer support and beginners -> proper team business/short support and cabaret > banter really off topic, unCoC. [00:12] either the team needs to be more tolerant and polite or move the banter [00:12] dvz-: Yes, I know. [00:13] Can we have 1 vote on all that. [00:13] nhandler: I knew the general rules for ## channels, I was just hoping that even though unofficial, a banter channel promoted by an official Ubuntu project would also be held to the CoC, it makes me very uncomfortable that it doesn't [00:13] we'll split the votes into 3? [00:13] dvz-: I'm not for it, but I understand bodhi_zazen's point of view. I'm going to +0 it [00:13] dvz-: Actualy I'll -0 it [00:13] (which is why I won't go there) [00:13] pleia2: It isn't in the Ubuntu name space either, so not even the Ubuntu IRC Guidelines would really apply. [00:13] pleia2: +1 [00:14] I would suggest that perhaps a code of conduct be created for ##cabaret ? [00:14] nhandler: just because they aren't required to apply, doesn't mean we can't say they do :) [00:14] i guess I'm not completely aware of what the "offtopic" banter that seems to offend people is [00:14] It need not be too strict, but something to keep people feel safe [00:14] lukjadOO7: It's not "our" channel. [00:14] lukjadOO7: is the CoC too strict? [00:15] pleia2: I don't think so. [00:15] nor do I [00:15] pleia2: I'm just saying that we create a new CoC for the channel [00:15] pleia2: I personally do not have any reason with not holding people to the CoC in there [00:16] lukjadOO7: Is there any part of the Ubuntu CoC that people do not believe should apply there? [00:16] lukjadOO7: can we have CoC apply to the channel? [00:16] sorry i am late [00:16] I would personally like to see the channel be under the CoC. [00:16] +1 lukjadOO7 [00:16] nigel_nb: I don't see why not. [00:16] PabloRubianes: s'okay we haven't really gotten anywhere. [00:16] We already hold people to the CoC in -beginners [00:16] +1 lukjadOO7 [00:16] * pleia2 nods [00:16] * starcraftman puts on music and waits for a bit of agreement. [00:16] if we put cabareet under the CoC then what makes it different than #ubuntu-beginners [00:16] Okay, Any more comments or questions. I would like to put up a vote that this topic be discussed at a later date. [00:17] If the channel can't use the CoC for legal reasons or wordings, I suggest we copy/paste it [00:17] duanedesign: The fact that ##cabaret isn't somewhere users come expecting some help? [00:17] I think we need to at least vote on moving support to -help [00:17] And name it the Code of Cabaret. [00:17] Silver_Fox_: make sure vote topic clear. We have discussed a few alternate suggestions. [00:17] How are we setting guidelines for a channel not ours - open to anyone who happens along? [00:17] rename #ubuntu-beginners to #ubuntu-beginners-team and keep -help the same. [00:17] better yet: [00:18] drs305: It was created by bodhi_zazen I believe [00:18] Rename #ubuntu-beginners-help to #ubuntu-beginners, and create #ubuntu-beginners-team, or -cafe [00:18] drs305: The same as other channels set guidelines that all users entering are expected to adhere to [00:18] paultag: +1 (that would do) [00:18] It would clear up a _lot_ of confusion [00:18] Silver_Fox_, and I suggested this before [00:18] +1 paultag [00:18] paultag's suggestion would clear a lot of confusion [00:18] and it would help keep a team channel for offtopic *under the CoC* [00:18] paultag: easier to move -help to -team [00:19] paultag: then all long support questions and official business in the team channel and cafe for CoC talk. Right? [00:19] either way, the idea is the same [00:19] bodhi_zazen, yeah, but people assume #ubuntu-beginners, is for beginners, and -cafe does not look like a support channel [00:19] exactly [00:19] bodhi_zazen, we get a lot of incoming support questions in -beginners that we have to tell to /join #ubuntu-beginners-help [00:19] bodhi_zazen: last meeting or so ago, someone else (paul or silver) offered to redo the access permissions on the channels, i believe [00:20] I'll do it [00:20] I don't mind tedious work [00:20] Silver_Fox_: is it possible to vote on paultag's suggestion? [00:20] bodhi_zazen: should we choose that route... i remember the one complaint when i propsed the idea initially was "too much of a hassle setting permissions" [00:20] [VOTE] Make off topic channel #ubuntu-beginners-cafe [00:20] Please vote on: Make off topic channel #ubuntu-beginners-cafe. [00:20] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [00:20] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [00:20] +1 [00:20] +1 received from jgoguen. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [00:20] +1 [00:20] +1 received from dvz-. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [00:20] Why do we need 4 channels -beginner -team -help and -cafe ? [00:20] Private +1 vote received. 3 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [00:20] Private +1 vote received. 4 for, 0 against, 0 have abstained. Count is now 4 [00:20] +1 [00:20] +1 received from pleia2. 5 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 5 [00:20] bodhi_zazen, we would get rid of team and help [00:21] +0 [00:21] bodhi_zazen: As I see it, -help is redirected to -beginners [00:21] Abstention received from Rocket2DMn. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5 [00:21] bodhi_zazen, just -beginners, and -beginners-cafe [00:21] +1 [00:21] +0 [00:21] +0 [00:21] Abstention received from starcraftman. 5 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 5 [00:21] +1 received from Silver_Fox_. 6 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 6 [00:21] Abstention received from drs305. 6 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 6 [00:21] This is somewhat confusing. [00:21] +1 [00:21] +1 received from Joeb454. 7 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 7 [00:21] +1 [00:21] +1 received from PabloRubianes. 8 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 8 [00:21] +1 [00:21] +0 [00:21] +1 received from IngForigua. 9 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 9 [00:21] Abstention received from nhandler. 9 for, 0 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 9 [00:21] +0 [00:21] Abstention received from lukjadOO7. 9 for, 0 against. 5 have abstained. Count is now 9 [00:21] Any more votes? [00:21] and I agree with pleia2 , I do not want -cafe to be under the CoC, at least I do not want off topic o4o banter associated with this team =) [00:21] bodhi_zazen: we would ultimately be switching -help to -beginners .... -beginners to -beginners-team ... and -beginners-cafe to banter..then dropping -help i believe is the proposed idea [00:21] -1 [00:21] -1 received from bodhi_zazen. 9 for, 1 against. 5 have abstained. Count is now 8 [00:21] [ENDVOTE] [00:21] Final result is 9 for, 1 against. 5 abstained. Total: 8 [00:22] [AGREED] [00:22] AGREED received: [00:22] whoops ;) [00:22] Uhhh [00:22] dvz-: why not leave -beginners and simply move -help to -team [00:22] [AGREED] Make off topic channel #ubuntu-beginners-cafe [00:22] AGREED received: Make off topic channel #ubuntu-beginners-cafe [00:22] I would be glad to help with the actual channel management to handle this stuff [00:22] bodhi_zazen: clears up confusion for NON-team members [00:22] [VOTE] Move -help to #ubuntu-beginners [00:22] Please vote on: Move -help to #ubuntu-beginners. [00:22] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [00:22] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [00:23] +1 [00:23] +1 received from paultag. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [00:23] +1 [00:23] +1 received from Silver_Fox_. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [00:23] +1 [00:23] +0 [00:23] +1 received from pleia2. 3 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 3 [00:23] Abstention received from nhandler. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3 [00:23] ubuntu-beginners (non-members view this as help for beginners0, not a team channel) [00:23] nhandler, roger :) [00:23] +1 [00:23] +1 [00:23] +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4 [00:23] +1 received from PabloRubianes. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5 [00:23] -1 [00:23] -1 received from drs305. 5 for, 1 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4 [00:23] +0 [00:23] Abstention received from lukjadOO7. 5 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 4 [00:23] +1 [00:23] +1 received from dvz-. 6 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 5 [00:23] +1 [00:23] +1 received from Joeb454. 7 for, 1 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 6 [00:23] -1 [00:23] -1 received from Rocket2DMn. 7 for, 2 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 5 [00:23] +1 [00:23] +1 received from swoody. 8 for, 2 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 6 [00:23] +1 [00:23] +1 received from duanedesign. 9 for, 2 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 7 [00:23] +1 [00:23] +1 received from nigel_nb. 10 for, 2 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 8 [00:23] +1 [00:23] +1 received from jgoguen. 11 for, 2 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 9 [00:23] Any more votes? [00:23] [ENDVOTE] [00:23] Final result is 11 for, 2 against. 2 abstained. Total: 9 [00:23] I can see two channels -beginners and -beginners-team [00:24] [AGREED] Move -help to #ubuntu-beginners. [00:24] AGREED received: Move -help to #ubuntu-beginners. [00:24] bodhi_zazen: right...and for the offtopic...i don't care if it's -cafe or if it's cabaret..or whatever else we decide [00:24] +1 [00:24] cabaret is no longer use? [00:24] we need to discuss off topic / banter [00:24] we either need to be more tolerant as a team [00:24] Are we voting on the policy on #ubuntu-beginners-cafe ? [00:25] * bodhi_zazen points out the vast majority of complaints come from team members [00:25] or move the banter out of #beginners space [00:25] Are the complaints being aired during the discussions? I haven't seen them. [00:26] drs305: no, the complaints come to me in PM, and then I try to resolve the issues [00:26] I don't necessarily think the lack of public complaints should be taken as any implication that there isn't a problem [00:26] +1 jgoguen [00:26] good point drs305 ...i haven't been around much due to family issues - but if someone has a complaint, i think that they should have the courtesy to bring it up to the person that offended them either in PM or chat before going to the team lead immediately [00:26] bodhi_zazen: can I suggest that if someone has any issue with another person, PM directly [00:26] I believe courtesy includes asking for a cessation of the behavior at the time rather than a PM to bodhi. [00:26] nigel_nb, but sometimes it's hard [00:26] Maybe we could wait until the next meeting to actually work on the cafe and offtopic? [00:27] seriously, the banter is problematic and I do not see moving to another official ubuntu channel or a channel associated with the BT as a solution [00:27] An assumption like that forces people to speak out who may not be comfortable doing so, meaning they'll not speak out and possibly leave thinking we're a bunch of hooligans [00:27] what if the complaint is about the team lead? [00:27] it's a two way street...if you're offended by someone, we can't read your minds, talk to that person about it...it may be as simple as a pm and talking to them about it. [00:27] Or until the end? [00:27] [VOTE] Move non COC compliant banter to ##cabaret [00:27] Please vote on: Move non COC compliant banter to ##cabaret. [00:27] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [00:27] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [00:27] +1 [00:27] +1 received from bodhi_zazen. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [00:27] +1 [00:27] +0 [00:27] Abstention received from nhandler. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1 [00:27] +1 received from Silver_Fox_. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 [00:27] +1 [00:27] +1 received from jgoguen. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3 [00:27] +1 [00:27] +1 received from swoody. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4 [00:27] +1 [00:27] +1 received from paultag. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5 [00:27] +1 [00:27] +1 received from PabloRubianes. 6 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 6 [00:27] +0 [00:27] +1 [00:27] Abstention received from nigel_nb. 6 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 6 [00:27] +1 received from dvz-. 7 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 7 [00:27] +0 [00:27] Abstention received from starcraftman. 7 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 7 [00:27] -0 [00:27] nigel_nb, like take for example, me. If I do something that offends, most people have met me since the beginning, and if I do something dumb, it's hard to confront a more senior member, rather then a neutral lead like bodhi_zazen [00:27] +0 [00:27] Abstention received from Joeb454. 7 for, 0 against. 4 have abstained. Count is now 7 [00:27] +0 [00:27] Abstention received from lukjadOO7. 7 for, 0 against. 5 have abstained. Count is now 7 [00:27] +1 [00:27] +1 received from duanedesign. 8 for, 0 against. 5 have abstained. Count is now 8 [00:27] +0 [00:27] Abstention received from drs305. 8 for, 0 against. 6 have abstained. Count is now 8 [00:27] +0 [00:27] Abstention received from Rocket2DMn. 8 for, 0 against. 7 have abstained. Count is now 8 [00:27] +0 [00:27] Abstention received from pleia2. 8 for, 0 against. 8 have abstained. Count is now 8 [00:27] maco: There's a council mailing list that's private...admittedly the team lead is on that list, but there's enough other people on it that it should be able to be fairly dealt with [00:27] paultag: i have no qualms confronting you :-D [00:28] paultag: suggestion [00:28] +1 [00:28] +1 received from IngForigua. 9 for, 0 against. 8 have abstained. Count is now 9 [00:28] dvz-, I know that :) [00:28] nigel_nb, yo [00:28] (I don't think we should be promoting an out of namespace channel that doesn't adhere to ubuntu community standards) [00:28] can we have a formal process for this? [00:28] Any more votes? [00:28] pleia2: [00:28] +1 pleia2 [00:28] +1 [00:28] +1 received from maco. 10 for, 0 against. 8 have abstained. Count is now 10 [00:28] +1 received from juju2143. 11 for, 0 against. 8 have abstained. Count is now 11 [00:28] pleia2: we are not promoting any such thing [00:28] oh bah. ignore mine. im not a votable person [00:28] pleia2: Nobody said anything about acitvely promoting it afaik [00:28] [ENDVOTE] [00:28] Final result is 11 for, 0 against. 8 abstained. Total: 11 [00:28] paultag: in case you are offended, mail the person with a copy to the bt council [00:28] pleia2: i think this is merely a, "if it doesn't relate to the team, take it elsewhere" [00:28] so there can be a resolution and somone else gets to know about it and mediate [00:28] nigel_nb, yeah, but again, if they are on the council, that can be hard [00:29] [AGREED]Move non COC compliant banter to ##cabaret. [00:29] AGREED received: Move non COC compliant banter to ##cabaret. [00:29] fair enough [00:29] paultag: we cud make a friendly approach to it [00:29] paultag: something for the stalker fG? [00:29] nigel_nb, perhaps :) [00:29] we have a stalker fg? [00:29] [VOTE] -help to forward to #ubuntu-beginners [00:29] Please vote on: -help to forward to #ubuntu-beginners. [00:29] Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0 to MootBot [00:29] E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting [00:29] why wasn't i told about this? [00:29] dvz-, that group may or may not exist [00:29] +1 [00:29] +1 received from paultag. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1 [00:29] +1 [00:29] +0 [00:29] +1 received from nigel_nb. 2 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 2 [00:29] Abstention received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2 [00:29] +1 [00:29] +1 received from Silver_Fox_. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3 [00:29] +1 [00:29] +1 received from jgoguen. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4 [00:29] +1 [00:29] +1 received from duanedesign. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5 [00:29] +1 [00:29] +1 received from dvz-. 6 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 6 [00:29] +1 [00:30] +1 received from Joeb454. 7 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 7 [00:30] +0 [00:30] Abstention received from bodhi_zazen. 7 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 7 [00:30] +1 [00:30] +1 received from swoody. 8 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 8 [00:30] +0 [00:30] Abstention received from Rocket2DMn. 8 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 8 [00:30] +1 [00:30] +1 received from lukjadOO7. 9 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 9 [00:30] +0 [00:30] +1 [00:30] +1 received from pleia2. 10 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 10 [00:30] +1 [00:30] +1 received from starcraftman. 11 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 11 [00:30] Any more votes? [00:30] [ENDVOTE] [00:30] Final result is 11 for, 0 against. 3 abstained. Total: 11 [00:30] -1 [00:31] [AGREED]-help to forward to #ubuntu-beginners [00:31] AGREED received: -help to forward to #ubuntu-beginners [00:31] [TOPIC]BT Roadmap [00:31] New Topic: BT Roadmap [00:31] Go bodhi_zazen [00:31] Anyone have any comments on the roadmap ? [00:31] o/ [00:31] bodhi_zazen: Do you have a link to the draft of it handy? [00:31] bodhi_zazen: link please? [00:32] bodhi_zazen: Roadmap link? [00:32] I put the item on the agenda, but was hoping others were taking the lead on this [00:32] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/duanedesign/sandbox [00:32] ^^^^ [00:32] thanks duanedesign [00:32] I have a working draft in my sanbox [00:32] bodhi_zazen: It has been on for a while (I think I initially added it a few months ago) [00:32] [LINK]https://wiki.ubuntu.com/duanedesign/sandbox [00:32] LINK received: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/duanedesign/sandbox [00:32] Suggestion: Can we have something like the bugsquad's 5-a-day? [00:32] I think there are some good ideas there [00:32] Looks find to me [00:33] for answers, bugs, and forum help [00:33] nigel_nb: Sounds like a good idea! [00:33] 6 weeks I think nhandler [00:33] Okay, if nothing to vote I on I am going to move onto the next topic. [00:33] bodhi_zazen: Hmm...Feels like longer [00:33] [TOPIC]Remove the Stalkers FG from BT Structure [00:33] New Topic: Remove the Stalkers FG from BT Structure [00:33] bodhi_zazen: Oh right this thing, my only comment is not exactly sure I'm a fan of the wiki one. I'm planning a doc meeting soon so we might discuss such a target. [00:33] oh WTF [00:33] -1 [00:34] the Stalker FG does good work :) [00:34] Hmm, ibuclaw is not here. [00:34] Silver_Fox_: can we hold off on this one? [00:34] I'm against that [00:34]