1 [00:10] <nhandler> #startmeeting
   2 [00:10] <MootBot> Meeting started at 18:10. The chair is nhandler.
   3 [00:10] <MootBot> Commands Available: [TOPIC], [IDEA], [ACTION], [AGREED], [LINK], [VOTE]
   4 [00:10] <nhandler> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
   5 [00:10] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
   6 [00:11] <nhandler> [TOPIC] Issuing the quiz to Padawans
   7 [00:11] <MootBot> New Topic:  Issuing the quiz to Padawans
   8 [00:11] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: Do you want to discuss this? Or should we defer it until bodhi is around?
   9 [00:11] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, we need to wait for bodhi on that one
  10 [00:12] <nhandler> [AGREED] Wait to discuss Issuing the quiz to Padawans until bodhizazen is present
  11 [00:12] <MootBot> AGREED received:  Wait to discuss Issuing the quiz to Padawans until bodhizazen is present
  12 [00:12] <nhandler> [TOPIC AOT]
  13 [00:12] <nhandler> [TOPIC] AOT
  14 [00:12] <MootBot> New Topic:  AOT
  15 [00:12] <nhandler> Any other Topics to discuss?
  16 [00:13] <yvan300> why are we the only ones participating?
  17 [00:13] <starcraftman> Don't really have anything to add....
  18 [00:13] <pleia2> I'm here, nothing to add :)
  19 [00:14] <y_lee> yeah same here
  20 [00:14] <popey> me too
  21 [00:14] <swoody> +1
  22 [00:14] <Rocket2DMn> I't pretty typical for late summer to be slow
  23 [00:14] <yvan300> ok
  24 [00:15] <nhandler> If there are no other topics to discuss, I would like to give a status update about some outstanding actions that I have been working on
  25 [00:15] <nhandler> [TOPIC] Status update on outstanding actions
  26 [00:15] <MootBot> New Topic:  Status update on outstanding actions
  27 [00:15] <nhandler> The ##beginners-classroom channel has now been dropped. All classroom sessions should take place in #ubuntu-beginners
  28 [00:15] <yvan300> nhandler: what do you mean?
  29 [00:16] <nhandler> yvan300: About what?
  30 [00:16] <pleia2> nhandler: wow, not in -classroom anymore?
  31 [00:16] <pleia2> er #ubuntu-classroom
  32 [00:16] <popey> thats surprising
  33 [00:16] <yvan300> nhandler: outstanding actions topic
  34 [00:16] <nhandler> pleia2: That is what I meant, sorry
  35 [00:16] <pleia2> oh good :)
  36 [00:16] <popey> :)
  37 [00:16] <popey> back to sleep pleia2 :)
  38 [00:16] <popey> (and I)
  39 [00:16] <pleia2> hehe
  40 [00:16] <starcraftman> oh ok, sounds fine then.
  41 [00:16] <nhandler> Thanks for catching that pleia2
  42 [00:17] <pleia2> np
  43 [00:17] <nhandler> yvan300: Outstanding actions are items from previous meeting that people were assigned to take care of
  44 [00:17] <yvan300> nhandler: link
  45 [00:17] <nhandler> yvan300: Meeting logs are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings and the Team Reports are here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/TeamReports
  46 [00:18] <nhandler> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
  47 [00:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/Meetings
  48 [00:18] <nhandler> [LINK] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/TeamReports
  49 [00:18] <MootBot> LINK received:  https://wiki.ubuntu.com/BeginnersTeam/TeamReports
  50 [00:19] <nhandler> I have also made some progress on the new mailing lists. An RT request has been filed, and it has been assigned to the appropriate owner. I will continue to follow up with this to ensure the list gets created
  51 [00:19] <nhandler> [ACTION] nhandler to follow up on new mailing list creation
  52 [00:19] <MootBot> ACTION received:  nhandler to follow up on new mailing list creation
  53 [00:20] <Rocket2DMn> cool
  54 [00:20] <nhandler> Since yvan300 has to go, lets do his membership vote
  55 [00:20] <nhandler> [TOPIC] yvan300 membership
  56 [00:20] <MootBot> New Topic:  yvan300 membership
  57 [00:20] <nhandler> yvan300: Care to say a few words about yourself?
  58 [00:21] <yvan300> well, i'm yvan pierre, a young lad who loves programming and helping others
  59 [00:22] <nhandler> yvan300: What have you been doing with the Beginners Team?
  60 [00:22] <yvan300> well since i began back in feburary, i spent my time getting to know the team, getting ck linked and helping other whenever i can in ubuntu-beginners-help
  61 [00:24] <yvan300> i also became a part of ubuntu-beginners-ynu so that i can become a better, more polite person over the internet :P
  62 [00:24] <nhandler> Anyone else have anything to say, or sould we vote?
  63 [00:25] <Rocket2DMn> bring on the vote!
  64 [00:25] <swoody> +1 Rocket2DMn
  65 [00:25] <nhandler> [VOTE] Should yvan300 become a member of the Ubuntu Beginners Team?
  66 [00:25] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Should yvan300 become a member of the Ubuntu Beginners Team?.
  67 [00:25] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
  68 [00:25] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
  69 [00:25] <nhandler> +0
  70 [00:25] <MootBot> Abstention received from nhandler. 0 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 0
  71 [00:25] <swoody> +1
  72 [00:25] <MootBot> +1 received from swoody. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
  73 [00:25] <tim_sharitt> +1
  74 [00:26] <Rocket2DMn> +1
  75 [00:26] <MootBot> +1 received from tim_sharitt. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
  76 [00:26] <MootBot> +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
  77 [00:26] <y_lee> +1
  78 [00:26] <MootBot> +1 received from y_lee. 4 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 4
  79 [00:26] <starcraftman> +1
  80 [00:26] <MootBot> +1 received from starcraftman. 5 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 5
  81 [00:27] <nhandler> Any more votes?
  82 [00:28] <pleia2> +1
  83 [00:28] <MootBot> +1 received from pleia2. 6 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 6
  84 [00:28] <nhandler> [ENDVOTE]
  85 [00:28] <MootBot> Final result is 6 for, 0 against. 1 abstained. Total: 6
  86 [00:28] <nhandler> Congrats and welcome to the team yvan300 !
  87 [00:28] <yvan300> nhandler: well met , and thanks everyone :D
  88 [00:28] <Rocket2DMn> welcome yvan300 , good to have you on board
  89 [00:28]  * starcraftman gives yvan300 his own personalized stuffed squirrel with nut gun as present!
  90 [00:28] <y_lee> congrats yvan300
  91 [00:29] <yvan300> thank you Rocket2DMn y_lee and tkanks for the squirrel starcraftman :P
  92 [00:30] <nhandler> yvan300: You have been added to ~ubuntu-beginners on Launchpad. Be sure to subscribe to the mailing list. You will get voice in #ubuntu-beginners once someone with +f shows up. You are also entitled to a VoteBot factoid.
  93 [00:30] <starcraftman> yvan300: your welcome, welcome aboard and have fun.
  94 [00:30] <nhandler> [AGREED] yvan300 to join the Ubuntu Beginners Team
  95 [00:30] <MootBot> AGREED received:  yvan300 to join the Ubuntu Beginners Team
  96 [00:30] <starcraftman> now if only bodhi magically appeared, like when I mention Rocket2DMn....
  97 [00:31] <nhandler> So, anything else to discuss tonight?
  98 [00:31] <yvan300> nhandler: ok, i'm gonna check it out now, but anyway i have to go , may be back later, nite team :P
  99 [00:31] <swoody> bye yvan300 and welcome again :)
 100 [00:31] <nhandler> Good night yvan300, and congratulations!
 101 [00:31]  * Rocket2DMn appears
 102 [00:31] <yvan300> o/
 103 [00:32] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: hehe, ya can't appear if ya didn't dissapear first.... then its not magic!
 104 [00:32] <nhandler> Are there any FGs that have anything to share with the team?
 105 [00:34] <nhandler> Last call for anyone with topics to discuss. Otherwise, we will end this meeting.
 106 [00:35] <Rocket2DMn> i think thats it, thanks for hosting nhandler
 107 [00:35] <swoody> o/
 108 [00:35] <nhandler> Go ahead swoody
 109 [00:35] <swoody> was there something we needed bodhi here for? Are we going to restart the meeting if he does come online?
 110 [00:36] <nhandler> swoody: Rocket2DMn's agenda item needed bodhi. We will not restart the meeting though if he shows up later. We will just defer the item until the next meeting
 111 [00:36] <swoody> ok sounds good :)
 112 [00:37] <starcraftman> LOL!
 113 [00:37] <nhandler> Ah, here is bodhi_zazen now ;)
 114 [00:37] <swoody> haha
 115 [00:37] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: Want to do your agenda item?
 116 [00:37] <Rocket2DMn> ah, he mad eit
 117 [00:37] <Rocket2DMn> sure
 118 [00:37] <nhandler> [TOPIC] Issuing the quiz to Padawans
 119 [00:37] <MootBot> New Topic:  Issuing the quiz to Padawans
 120 [00:38] <bodhi_zazen> 'lo all
 121 [00:38] <bodhi_zazen> can't stay long =)
 122 [00:38] <Rocket2DMn> I think the general consensus is that BT members want padawans to continue to be given the ritual quiz
 123 [00:39] <Rocket2DMn> if bodhi_zazen wants to share his list of questions with some others authorized to give the quiz, that would take some burden off of him
 124 [00:39] <bodhi_zazen> orly ?
 125 [00:39] <nhandler> By "authorized", who did you have in mind Rocket2DMn ?
 126 [00:40] <Rocket2DMn> idk nhandler , whoever bodhi_zazen wants.  It doesn't have to be the council
 127 [00:42] <starcraftman> Well I'd have an opinion if I actually saw the quiz. In general, I've never thought quizes to be that essential though, usually its not hard to tell when people meet set requirements for membership.
 128 [00:42] <bodhi_zazen> well, I think the current process of mentoring is best
 129 [00:43] <Rocket2DMn> starcraftman, it's just sort of a rite of passage :)
 130 [00:43] <bodhi_zazen> I think it would be ideal if members would help the new ones integrate into the team
 131 [00:43] <swoody> +1 bodhi_zazen
 132 [00:43] <Rocket2DMn> agreed bodhi_zazen , but it would still be good to use the quiz to see how much people actually know
 133 [00:43] <bodhi_zazen> if that is happening the quiz is almost unnecessary, as it really does not add much
 134 [00:44] <swoody> I think a mentor would have a much better feel about a new candidate than a quiz could give us
 135 [00:44] <starcraftman> bodhi_zazen: I'm wiht you on mentoring being more important, as I mentioned in the UA meeting I think it could be improved a bit.
 136 [00:44] <nhandler> Rocket2DMn: The quiz rarely ended up testing knowledge. It almost always tested personality. Although, we could change that
 137 [00:44] <bodhi_zazen> some members (mentors) have been kind enough to review posts on the forms, review wiki pages, etc
 138 [00:44] <Rocket2DMn> nhandler, equally important :)
 139 [00:45] <bodhi_zazen> If the mentoring program can not be revised we need to re consider much, the whole membership process, re-writing wiki pages , etc
 140 [00:45] <bodhi_zazen> so it is not a small decision
 141 [00:47] <Rocket2DMn> ok, well i didnt mean for this to be a discussion about the whole membership process
 142 [00:47] <Rocket2DMn> I dont think the quiz and Padawan system are mutually exclusive, I think the system works great
 143 [00:48] <Rocket2DMn> I just didnt want the quiz to fall by the wayside, as it's been tradition for as long as I've been around
 144 [00:48] <bodhi_zazen> I thought we decided to abandon the quiz
 145 [00:48] <bodhi_zazen> If not, it is easy to do
 146 [00:49] <starcraftman> Rocket2DMn: Well nobody gave to me.
 147 [00:49] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: We dropped it as a requirement for membership
 148 [00:49] <bodhi_zazen> I can post the questions if you would like
 149 [00:49] <bodhi_zazen> who would like to dish it out ?
 150 [00:49] <nhandler> Should it be another individual? Or a team/FG ?
 151 [00:49] <bodhi_zazen> that's pretty much abandoning it nhandler =)
 152 [00:50] <bodhi_zazen> nhandler: before we go there we would need to decide to bring the quiz back
 153 [00:51] <Rocket2DMn> starcraftman, i know, but we're all well aware about your skill level
 154 [00:51] <nhandler> [VOTE] Should we revive the quiz?
 155 [00:51] <MootBot> Please vote on:  Should we revive the quiz?.
 156 [00:51] <MootBot> Public votes can be registered by saying +1/-1/+0 in the channel, private votes by messaging the channel followed by +1/-1/+0  to MootBot
 157 [00:51] <MootBot> E.g. /msg MootBot +1 #ubuntu-meeting
 158 [00:51] <Rocket2DMn> +1
 159 [00:51] <MootBot> +1 received from Rocket2DMn. 1 for, 0 against. 0 have abstained. Count is now 1
 160 [00:51] <bodhi_zazen> 0
 161 [00:52] <nhandler> bodhi_zazen: +0
 162 [00:52] <bodhi_zazen> +0
 163 [00:52] <MootBot> Abstention received from bodhi_zazen. 1 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 1
 164 [00:52] <nhandler> +1
 165 [00:52] <MootBot> +1 received from nhandler. 2 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 2
 166 [00:52] <y_lee> +1
 167 [00:52] <MootBot> +1 received from y_lee. 3 for, 0 against. 1 have abstained. Count is now 3
 168 [00:52] <starcraftman> +0
 169 [00:52] <MootBot> Abstention received from starcraftman. 3 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 3
 170 [00:52] <swoody> +1
 171 [00:52] <MootBot> +1 received from swoody. 4 for, 0 against. 2 have abstained. Count is now 4
 172 [00:52] <Snova> +0
 173 [00:52] <MootBot> Abstention received from Snova. 4 for, 0 against. 3 have abstained. Count is now 4
 174 [00:53] <nhandler> Any more votes?
 175 [00:54] <bodhi_zazen> No clear direction there, a trend =)
 176 [00:54] <nhandler> [ENDVOTE]
 177 [00:54] <MootBot> Final result is 4 for, 0 against. 3 abstained. Total: 4
 178 [00:54] <bodhi_zazen> masters can let me know when people are ready for a little quiz then
 179 [00:55] <bodhi_zazen> anyone interested in administering the quiz, let me know
 180 [00:55] <nhandler> Maybe we could discuss this on the mailing list?
 181 [00:55] <bodhi_zazen> I would probably like to watch one or two =)
 182 [00:55] <bodhi_zazen> mailing list is all but dead =)
 183 [00:55] <bodhi_zazen> almost no one uses it for "discussion"
 184 [00:55] <nhandler> Then send something to it and make it active ;)
 185 [00:55] <starcraftman> hehe
 186 [00:55] <nhandler> The few discussions we have had got pretty good responses
 187 [00:55] <nhandler> People are just hesitant to start them
 188 [00:56] <bodhi_zazen> If you like
 189 [00:56] <Snova> I have a few things I would say, but nothing I can say immediately; I shall probably post something later.
 190 [00:56] <bodhi_zazen> I am going to have to run
 191 [00:56] <Rocket2DMn> mailing lists dont have to be extremely active to be useful :)
 192 [00:56] <starcraftman> later bodhi_zazen
 193 [00:56] <Rocket2DMn> thanks bodhi_zazen , see you later
 194 [00:56] <bodhi_zazen> My only issue is to see they mentoring program revitalized
 195 [00:57] <bodhi_zazen> I think that is much more important, really
 196 [00:57] <starcraftman> bodhi_zazen: agreed.
 197 [00:57] <bodhi_zazen> IMO the quiz is secondary
 198 [00:57] <Rocket2DMn> agreed
 199 [00:57] <nhandler> Would someone like to take the action to start some discussion about this topic on the ML ?
 200 [00:57] <Rocket2DMn> is it needed nhandler ?
 201 [00:57] <Rocket2DMn> i can if you want
 202 [00:57] <nhandler> I think we should get some more discussion on this topic
 203 [00:58] <nhandler> Thanks Rocket2DMn
 204 [00:58] <nhandler> [ACTION] Rocket2DMn to start discussion on mailing list about quiz/mentoring program
 205 [00:58] <MootBot> ACTION received:  Rocket2DMn to start discussion on mailing list about quiz/mentoring program
 206 [00:58] <nhandler> Anything else to talk about, or can we end the meeting?
 207 [00:58] <starcraftman> nhandler: I'll add too later, I just remembered an idea I had at UA meeting. Sometime, wanna relax a bit first....
 208 [01:00] <nhandler> Ok, thanks for coming everyone. The next meeting will take place on Tuesday, September 8, 2009 at 23:00 UTC in #ubuntu-meeting
 209 [01:00] <nhandler> [ENDMEETING]
 210 [01:00] <nhandler> #ENDMEETING
 211 [01:00] <MootBot> Meeting finished at 19:00.
 212 [01:00] <starcraftman> thanks for chairing nhandler, appreciated of course :)