BT Meeting 03/13/08 Minutes
Rocket2DMn i motion to bring this show to order, we're already late
DrSmall i second it
bodhi_zazen +1
LaRoza Lawyers do that. Make sure you didn't ask any questions or tell him/her you are a doctor
ajmorris tomaw, out of interest, what did we do?
Rocket2DMn proceed, your 1337ness
18:18 bodhi_zazen First, thanks LaRoza for volunteering to do minutes
Joeb454 ajmorris, I'd like to know that too
Rocket2DMn thanks LaRoza !
Presto124 nice
tomaw ajmorris: I think you just upset ubotu
tomaw he's a bit touchy towards the end of the week
st33med (knew it)
bodhi_zazen LaRoza, you can post a summary of the discussions / decisions if you like, if you need hlep with the wiki just ask
ajmorris ah, yeah i did
Rocket2DMn what did i tell you guys earlier!
18:19 bodhi_zazen First item :
bodhi_zazen wiki :
st33med (drum roll)
bodhi_zazen janquark, you want to start ?
18:20 janquark thats a big topic
janquark where to start?
Joeb454 define the purpose of the BT wiki?
bodhi_zazen lol
bodhi_zazen Let me start then
Rocket2DMn janquark, start with https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/BTMeetings - you said revive the wiki
bodhi_zazen The focus, as you know, is the forums
DrSmall yes, what does the wiki serve as?
18:21 bodhi_zazen I envisioned the wiki as a way of identifying and answering FAQ on the forums
Rocket2DMn DrSmall, that is part of the debate
DrSmall ... a little slow...
st33med Rules, possibly?
janquark with revive I meant to create a place where beginners could find guides which are written for them, in their "language"
bodhi_zazen FAQ may change week-to-week, but it is usually a few like mounting, gurb, resolution
ajmorris we could use the wiki with a canned response rss feed....
18:22 bodhi_zazen Once team members are familiar with wiki -> have the team help with the main wiki pages
Joeb454 heh, gurb, I assume you mean grub...it's becoming less of an issues now anyway
Joeb454 that'd be good bodhi
bodhi_zazen I did not like the thought of turning an army of raw wiki recruits loose on the wiki, and also wanted the team to become familliar with the wiki as a whole
DrSmall +1
Rocket2DMn i feel that the wiki is a place for us to stay organized, not really post HowTos and help topics. There is already wiki.ubuntu and help.ubuntu for that
18:23 bodhi_zazen Rocket2DMn, that too
DrSmall yes
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Presto124 finally
Rocket2DMn if stuff changes, you can modify entries on help.ubuntu, wiki.ubuntu, and your own HowTos on the forums. We can have a page of links on the wiki to howtos, but i dont think the wiki is the place to keep the howtos themselves Presto124 changes nick to Presto123
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18:24 bodhi_zazen Rocket2DMn, yes and no
st33med Hrm... How about stickying a tip of the week at the top of the beginners forum
bodhi_zazen It is nice to have a section where we can teach team members how to wiki
Joeb454 st33med, the top of our forum or abt?
Rocket2DMn bodhi_zazen, perhaps a page that tells users WHERE to find the best help, and then break it down further with subtopics
bodhi_zazen So the way I see it , the beginners wiki servers as :
Old_Soldier well there id a tut forum... with a sticky like that :0
18:25 st33med abt
bodhi_zazen 1. Team communication ~ although I am not sure we want to keep team minutes there forever
Rocket2DMn +1 for that
st33med We comunicate fine
st33med what is wrong
bodhi_zazen 2. SHORT FAQ for forums
janquark +1 for that
DrSmall +2
Rocket2DMn +1 if it's very short
bodhi_zazen 3. Training -> launchpad for the team to contribute to the main wikipages
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DrSmall all that sounds good to me
st33med brb
Rocket2DMn how do you propose doing number 3, bodhi_zazen ?
Joeb454 what exactly about launchpad?
bodhi_zazen First step is to identify team members wanting to wiki
DrSmall I can help some
janquark me too
bodhi_zazen Second is to bring them up to speed if they do not know how to wiki
18:27 bodhi_zazen Starting with becoming familiar with existing pages
DrSmall i need to do that
bodhi_zazen I do NOT want our team to start 100 + new / duplicate pages
Rocket2DMn for users who want to: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Team/FocusGroups
bodhi_zazen Third is to teach them how to wiki, formatting, etc
Rocket2DMn isnt there already a page on wiki.ubuntu or help.ubuntu that explains how to edit wiki pages?
janquark thats true duplicated effort is bad
bodhi_zazen then trun 'em loose
spiderbatdad Rocket2DMn yes
Joeb454 sure
18:28 st33med I am leader of compositing 
bodhi_zazen lol
Rocket2DMn leading yourself st33med
Rocket2DMn
st33med yes!!
Joeb454 bodhi_zazen, what about directing some people here if they want help quick ish)
DrSmall i go minimalistic
bodhi_zazen The forums staff prefers if we communicate on the forums, but I do not think we need post things like minutes from this meeting on the forums.
Rocket2DMn DrSmall, agreed
18:29 bodhi_zazen Joeb454, you mean technical support ?
Joeb454 yeah
bodhi_zazen I am "OK" with that if you invite and help
bodhi_zazen please do not post this as a support channel on the forums
st33med I don't think we want the channel to overflow like #ubuntu
18:30 bodhi_zazen +10 st33med
Rocket2DMn so bodhi_zazen , you are then asking to have this page worked on? - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/HowtoGetHelp
Joeb454 true
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bodhi_zazen The other problem with invites is, err team behavior
st33med :p
Joeb454 hehe
bodhi_zazen WE will need to watch that we follow th CoC
DrSmall such as?
DrSmall i uplift it
Joeb454 you're never in here though
Old_Soldier lol well lets see...
Rocket2DMn bodhi_zazen, perhaps have team members become Ubunteros?
DrSmall me?
bodhi_zazen Rocket2DMn, that is what we need to decide
Old_Soldier we could all take a pledge of silence :0
18:31 DrSmall i am an Ubuntero
Presto123 Old_Soldier, i'm almost there :P
janquark me too
bodhi_zazen Well, just be aware that some of the things on this channel that we find funny would offend guests
Old_Soldier just a thought guys
18:32 Rocket2DMn i think the HowToGetHelp page needs to lose all the specifics at the bottom end
ajmorris how about a CK banning whenever there are guests in here? :P
bodhi_zazen last thing we need is to invite someone and then have the channel reported / violation of CoC
st33med no insulting your moms
Old_Soldier when i was a GM we kept our IRC channel clear for just the reason bodhi mentioned
st33med
Rocket2DMn and all the pages that ARE howtos/Guides (see https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners ) need to be ditched
bodhi_zazen I think it is a team effort
DrSmall +1
DrSmall i am for it
Old_Soldier sometimes teamies vent and its not good in front of the customers
Joeb454 if we get people in here on an invited basis, we can tell the others that they are a guest and they have <x> problem
Rocket2DMn its all repeat work and is getting outdated anyway
bodhi_zazen everyone be responsible for his/her own behavior and aks folks to tone it down
st33med How about inviting those who have really bad technical problems
bodhi_zazen !ohmy
ubotu Please watch your language and topic to help keep this channel family friendly.
18:33 DrSmall ok
DrSmall 10-7!
Joeb454 st33med, yeah that's what I'm thinking
DrSmall over and out
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st33med we keeping logs?
Rocket2DMn I think it is good or centrally organize the team, but not necessary lay out guidelines on HOW we deliver help, so long as we are within the bounds of the CoC and common sense
bodhi_zazen CoC are our bounds
18:34 st33med CoC?
Rocket2DMn letting us run free, if you will, to help people out gives us room to adapt. a central list of where to find some help documents can be useful, but not necessary
Presto123 so no dirty talk? ;'( lol
bodhi_zazen I do not want to discourage the sense of community or rleaxed atmosphere on this channel
ajmorris st33med, im loggin it if needed, but LaRoza is doing the minutes which should be good enough for people like drsmall that miss the rest
Rocket2DMn st33med, Code of Conduct
st33med oh
spiderbatdad corn on cob
st33med yum
Rocket2DMn apt
Joeb454 Rocket2DMn, you suggested becoming Ubunteros (I assume you meant on launchpad)
Rocket2DMn Joeb454, yes
bodhi_zazen OK, lets return to wiki
bodhi_zazen ?
Joeb454 just for the sake of knowing - how many people in here are Ubunteros?
18:35 bodhi_zazen any further comments on wiki ?
Joeb454 oh sorry bodhi
Rocket2DMn Joeb454, ask later
bodhi_zazen I think the wiki team can have a meetig
Joeb454 sure
Rocket2DMn +1
spiderbatdad !ubunteros
ubotu Sorry, I don't know anything about ubunteros - try searching on http://ubotu.ubuntu-nl.org/factoids.cgi
ajmorris Joeb454, i am
bodhi_zazen ie it may be good for the focus groups to have meetings and report back to the general team rather then hashing out ALL wiki details here and now
janquark me too
Joeb454 if you are, PM me, and I'll add it up
Presto123 http://www.ubuntu.com/community/processes/newmember
Joeb454 that way we can keep the meeting sort of on topic
18:36 Rocket2DMn bodhi_zazen, agreed, it is a large task
Joeb454 and I can give back a figure later
Joeb454 sure
st33med I think that the wiki meeting should be held later
Joeb454 I'm always on IRC, so I've put myself down for helping on here I believe
bodhi_zazen I do not want to "require" much of the team as we are volunteers and I do not want there to be barriors
Rocket2DMn do you want somebody to head up the wiki subteam, bodhi_zazen ? or do you want to organize it yourslef
18:37 bodhi_zazen Any volunteers to head up the wiki team ?
Rocket2DMn i volunteer, i think janquark might be interested, too
janquark me
bodhi_zazen I think nothlit was doing it earlier, but I do not know how active he wants to be
bodhi_zazen OK, we can have two wiki leads
janquark Rocket2DMn and me
bodhi_zazen +1
st33med aye
Rocket2DMn k, ill ttyl about it janquark
Presto123 I have not done that much on Wiki, but any way I can help would be cool
18:38 janquark fine Rocket2DMn large tasks before us
Rocket2DMn brb phonr, continue plz
bodhi_zazen Can you update the wiki focus group, and try to ask nothlit for his input on this as well
janquark sure
bodhi_zazen FYI, I agree with most, if not all, of the comments re: wiki on the meeting page
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18:39 Joeb454 bodhi_zazen, referring to https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Team/FocusGroups are we trying to sort out the focus groups??
Rocket2DMn back
Presto123 Alan_M,
Rocket2DMn got it, bodhi_zazen
bodhi_zazen I suggest we learn how to clean up after ourselves, ie contact the wiki group and learn to delete outdated / duplicate wiki pages
Alan_M crap, oh well better late than never
bodhi_zazen Joeb454, yes
Rocket2DMn bodhi_zazen, did you find out anything about deleting wiki pages?
st33med Next topic: compositing
st33med ?
st33med :P
Presto123 hrm...bodhi no one still for hardware?
18:40 Joeb454 ok just getting my head sorted I'm up for doing launchpad as well, depending on what needs to be done
Rocket2DMn as a sidenote on that, i think we just need to have them forward to existing pages so we dont create broken links
bodhi_zazen Not every one needs to join a focus group, but if you are interested
bodhi_zazen Presto123, we are the hardware team
Rocket2DMn Joeb454, im on LP, too, i may need to back out of that one if time becomes an issue
Joeb454 me too
ajmorris what is the role of the compositing team....
bodhi_zazen ie helping new users == helping with hardware
Alan_M everyone in here is the hardware team as far as im concered...heh
Joeb454 ajmorris, compiz?
bodhi_zazen Rocket2DMn, no, nothing re deleting
Presto123 yeah...maybe but, its blank there...kind of would be disheartening for new users i guess
st33med not my expertise
18:41 Rocket2DMn ok bodhi_zazen , we'll look more into it
Presto123 just my thoughts
ajmorris ah kk Joeb454
Joeb454 i think anyway bodhi_zazen Actually, nest on the agenda is:
bodhi_zazen
Presto123 I'm going to edit that page...bb in a sec
bodhi_zazen Regular meetings
Joeb454 I believe I brought that up
st33med EVERY DAY!!!
18:42 st33med
Joeb454 I was thinking more of once a month, or once every 2 months
Alan_M set times daily would kill me :/
bodhi_zazen I am up for regular meetings, so long as people show up, not that the
current group has this problem
bodhi_zazen Monthly seems best, IMO
st33med every month sounds good
Joeb454 yeah
ajmorris hmm, since i help on irc and forums with compositing, ill sign up for compositing on focus teams, as they co-incide
and also, that makes st33med not so lonely Alan_M yeah
Old_Soldier +1 for monthly
janquark +1 for monthly
Rocket2DMn i wouldnt be opposed to every 2 months either
Alan_M +1 for monthly
bodhi_zazen OK, is this time best ?
st33med yes
Alan_M whenever, just let me know
bodhi_zazen anyone need an alternate time
Rocket2DMn may get a better turnout if they are less often
Joeb454 2200 GMT?
Alan_M yes, perfect time
18:43 ajmorris the day is the only bad thing for me bodhi
janquark time is fine
bodhi_zazen in the past this has been the best time in terms of attendance
Alan_M i was just late because i was talking with parents.
ajmorris except weekends = good for me = not for you, so you win :P
Old_Soldier neutral enough. ive done this before in a world wide environment
Joeb454 I managed to get off work early (i finish at 22:30 GMT normally)
Old_Soldier since we're volunteers 2200 GMT works
Rocket2DMn i think this is a little early in the afternoon bodhi_zazen , im only here b/c its spring breka for me
Old_Soldier if they were employees it wouldnt
Rocket2DMn its still the middle of the workday
st33med eating dinner
st33med brb
18:44 bodhi_zazen OK, lets propose a day, second tuesday, etc and see if there is a consensus
bodhi_zazen We could move the time back an hour
Rocket2DMn recommends evenings and weekends
bodhi_zazen In the past attendance was POOR evs and weekends
ajmorris bodhi cant make weekends Rocket2DMn
Rocket2DMn true dat, thanks ajmorris
Joeb454 different day
18:45 Presto123 https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Team/FocusGroups (Just the bottom is edited)
bodhi_zazen I can make some weekends, but late
Joeb454 monday?
janquark different day, same time for me not too early please
Rocket2DMn tue/wed afternoons/evenings dont work for me
Presto123 Monday's are generally free for me...
Alan_M doesnt care when, im open daily
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Rocket2DMn +1 for mondays
bodhi_zazen Monday, tuesday, or Wed ?
Presto123 No tuesday
bodhi_zazen Monday or Wed ?
spiderbatdad M
18:46 Rocket2DMn +1 for monday
janquark monday
Presto123 Monday
Alan_M M
Rocket2DMn sry isaid that already
ajmorris lol, at this time any day of the week i cant make it, an hour earlier i cant make monday tuesday or wednesday :P
ajmorris just leave me out of the meeting time arranging :P
Joeb454 mondays are good for me, especially at the same time
bodhi_zazen Mondays, an hour later ?
janquark but back at home at 22.30 GMT
janquark I am
Rocket2DMn after 5PM Pacific time works for me
bodhi_zazen 5 PM pacific is too late for me
18:47 Presto123 Thats 8p eastern...eh, no probs here
Joeb454 I'm fine with that bodhi (hour later on mondays)
ajmorris problem for me, if i wasnt on holidays ATM, i'd be in class right now
Rocket2DMn 4PM works
ajmorris my timezone is too far out for anyone else
Alan_M brb, need to plug in laptop or im gonna exit stage left and wont be my own doings.
spiderbatdad So the first Monday of the month?
bodhi_zazen OK, an hour later, second Monday of the month ?
janquark sounds good
bodhi_zazen First is OK too
Rocket2DMn sure
Alan_M is open for anything and everything
18:48 Alan_M just not 2AM CST Please!
spiderbatdad I'm open, just lost track
bodhi_zazen First or second ?
Rocket2DMn maybe rotate which week of the month it is, so ppl who have conflicts can make most of them
spiderbatdad second sounds traditional
Rocket2DMn that may be getting complicated tho
Alan_M yeah your going into weird placements there rocket
bodhi_zazen Second going once ...
Alan_M second...SOLD for me
Joeb454 sold to the man in the hat
18:49 bodhi_zazen \o/
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Rocket2DMn id like to outbid that
Rocket2DMn no j/k
Alan_M wb leastrale
LeAstrale i totally forgot about the meetings. sry guys
LeAstrale ty speedy
Alan_M lol me too
bodhi_zazen OK, third :
bodhi_zazen ?
bodhi_zazen what was third ?
Presto123 tres
spiderbatdad training
Presto123 o
bodhi_zazen Oh, IRC
Rocket2DMn irc imrpovement
18:50 ajmorris what do we need to improve?
bodhi_zazen We have an irc focus group
Joeb454 i believe I'm on there
LeAstrale yes we do
Alan_M yes we do
Presto123 ajmorris, our outlook :P
bodhi_zazen There has been some discussion re : #ubuntu
Alan_M and i am as well
ajmorris how many of the people in the focus group help on #ubuntu?
bodhi_zazen too large, bot abuse
Joeb454 what's the purpose of the IRC focus group though?
Rocket2DMn Joeb454, we can work that out right now
Joeb454 ajmorris, I do occasionally
Alan_M aj, i do
bodhi_zazen irc focus group helps on #ubuntu
ajmorris help users on irc basically Joeb454 is the focus....
18:51 Presto123 I tried to help one time and it was absolute aggravation
Joeb454 ugh, I have to venture out into #ubuntu as well
Joeb454 lol
ajmorris i tend to help them in pm out of the busyness of #ubuntu, perhaps we could
bring them here where more than 1 person can help them?
bodhi_zazen First, a few comments about the beginner team somehow moderating #ubuntu ....
Rocket2DMn i will remove myself from the irc team
bodhi_zazen Leave that to the mods
bodhi_zazen The culture on the fourms is not the same as irc
18:52 bodhi_zazen If you want to assist on #ubuntu , go for it
bodhi_zazen If you want to assist someone ...
Presto123 YES! bodhi_zazen...give us mod power...sometimes, I would just love it, not to abuse but just clean it up
Joeb454 what about the IRC focus group calling in certain people from #ubuntu if they get no replies
bodhi_zazen ./join #boshi_zazen
Presto123 I know you cant control the decision there, but dang
18:53 bodhi_zazen *#boshi_zazen
bodhi_zazen LOL
bodhi_zazen #bodhi_zazen
Joeb454 or the standard !thishasnothingtodowithyourquestion | user
bodhi_zazen now invite
Presto123 LOL bodhi
LeAstrale LMAO @ bodhi_zazen
Rocket2DMn RE: the different focuses, from https://help.ubuntu.com/community/Beginners/Team/FocusGroups i would like to take off all the stupid links to the UF profiles, except under Forums. Other links on other subsections should be for that specific focus, like a link to LP profiles under Launchpad
bodhi_zazen pleas join me on #bodhi_zazen
janquark who?
LeAstrale what? now?
18:54 bodhi_zazen sure ...
Rocket2DMn sorry, wanted to throw that out there before it skipped my mind and we got completely off the focus group topic
bodhi_zazen OK, now I have a channel of my own, I own / moderate the channel and can
kick / ban
bodhi_zazen I can give support quietly
Rocket2DMn ./join #bodhi_zazen
18:55 Rocket2DMn err
bodhi_zazen Rocket2DMn, no .
Rocket2DMn thanks
bodhi_zazen if you /join a new channel , you own it
Rocket2DMn too much time at a terminal, you understand
bodhi_zazen that is how irc works
Alan_M yep, and when they throw the famous !pm at you because you tell a user to
private message you...thats awesome.
bodhi_zazen if anyone wants help settign up a channel, let me know
18:56 LeAstrale back to meeting
Joeb454 so if the IRC focus group wants to assist somebody, we can set up a neutral channel
18:57 bodhi_zazen OK, that is my proposal to offer assistance to #ubuntu
Joeb454 invite the person off #ubuntu and ask anybody in here to come join too Rocket2DMn +1
bodhi_zazen Joeb454, yep
Presto123 good good
ajmorris i dont see why we cant bring them here?....
bodhi_zazen I will help you
Presto123
janquark +1
Presto123 I really think something to add
Joeb454 ajmorris, I think bodhi wants to keep this to team members and not create another #ubuntu
st33med ajmorris, bringing them here would cause flooding
ajmorris ah, kk
bodhi_zazen ajmorris, you can do that too, if you want
spiderbatdad this is not a good place for everyine sometimes
Joeb454 I think the neutral channel isn't a bad idea
Alan_M as I have a few times
18:58 st33med but then word would spread!!
spiderbatdad everyone*
Presto123 create a specific name that we can join or create if it isn't already running
bodhi_zazen I prefer a neutral channel
ajmorris #beginners-help ?
Joeb454 +1 neutral
Presto123 something like #UFHelp
Joeb454 and +1 ajmorris
bodhi_zazen The irc focus group can set up a channel if they want, I will help with registration
st33med #FUHelp ?
Presto123 no dash just make it easy
Joeb454 lol
spiderbatdad ack
bodhi_zazen #RTFM
Presto123 nice steemed
18:59 bodhi_zazen #STFU
ajmorris what do we want to call it? i will reg it now
Joeb454 #UseWindows
janquark
Presto123 #GoogleIT!
Alan_M aaaaaaaannd back to the discussion
bodhi_zazen #beginners-help
Alan_M lol
st33med #your mom
Presto123 right right
janquark +1 for beginners-help
Rocket2DMn well that discussion went downhill fast
Alan_M yes #beginners-help works
st33med +1 for
bodhi_zazen \o/
st33med that
Joeb454 ajmorris, I'll give you a hand with the IRC F.G
I'm always on here Rocket2DMn just make sure beginners-help is not in use
Presto123 minus the dash for simplicity
19:00 ajmorris irc fg??
Joeb454 focus group
ajmorris ah kk
ajmorris kewl
Presto123 #beginnershelp
bodhi_zazen ajmorris, if you set up a channel, please allow me to admin it as well
Joeb454 me too
Joeb454 lol
bodhi_zazen
st33med can we get ubotu in there as well?
bodhi_zazen Any other issues with #ubuntu ?
Presto123 Could it not be admin'ed by the beginners team in general?
19:01 bodhi_zazen No, not too many admins
Presto123 or is it limited by num
Presto123 got it
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st33med what about ubotu?
st33med overdrank, you are LATE
bodhi_zazen I do not mind if members of the irc focus group have admin rights
Alan_M what happens when all the admins are gone and were sitting here like a stuck duck and someones flooding the hell outta the channel?
overdrank yea sorry st33med
st33med
Presto123 thats my thoughts Alan_M
Alan_M nevermind that answered that question
19:02 bodhi_zazen If we make a channel, we need a committment to admin it
st33med ChanServ?
Presto123 definitely
Joeb454 Alan_M, I'm ALWAYS on IRC whenever I'm online
bodhi_zazen sec ...
Alan_M Joeb454: same here
Joeb454 If I can't get onto Xchat, I'm on Mibbit
Alan_M if im off of irc..im offline period
LeAstrale likes Joeb454's loyality towards #ubuntuforums-beginners
19:03 Joeb454
Joeb454 thanks LeAstrale
bodhi_zazen OK, next topic ?
bodhi_zazen Recruitment
Presto123 I got the one I wanted in :P
LaRoza Tiger pits?
Joeb454 I thought we just PM'd you with potential members, and then PM'd them
Joeb454 Rancor fights
bodhi_zazen In general I like to recruit at a slow pace
Joeb454 watches Star Wars too much
19:04 Presto123 spiderbatdad
spiderbatdad aye
bodhi_zazen Last thing we need is a disruptive team member
st33med ChanServ is up and running
Joeb454 *cough* LeAstrale *cough*
Presto123 we all wanted you as a member
spiderbatdad Presto123 ty
19:05 Joeb454 its true
bodhi_zazen I like "the quiz" as it s a chance to see a person's temperment
Joeb454 we all like the quiz
Rocket2DMn =D
janquark
Alan_M the quiz PWNZ
Rocket2DMn i liked taking the quiz, i was like BRING IT
Presto123 I think for sure we all should check whenever we SUGGEST a member
Alan_M of course got the hard questions and the easy questions i sucked at
Presto123 check their posts that is
19:06 bodhi_zazen I do not mind team members recruiting on the forums
Presto123 It's okay Alan_M, I really bombed it
Joeb454 I tend to invite them here to IRC too, to see if they can cope with us
Alan_M when we recruit like 400 a day, thats kinda overkill though
Presto123 lol Joeb454
spiderbatdad seems like it recruits could be suggested at meetings
bodhi_zazen yea, for bettor worse they need to irc
19:07 Presto123 I agree with spiderbatdad and bodhi_zazen
bodhi_zazen I have allowed some to join who do not irc, but we never hear from them
LeAstrale Alan_M: its the wheelchair limiting you. its holds back the force
Presto123 slow and meeting suggested
bodhi_zazen recruitment is open at this time
Joeb454 yeah not a bad idea, though it'd just end up having a pile of people to quiz
ajmorris if you see a committed member or someone on the forums, with a big enough post count, dont be afraid to send em over to the UA team also
Rocket2DMn i think we kinda need to enforce irc as a means of communication
Joeb454 yeah
Rocket2DMn +1 for the UA team
19:08 Rocket2DMn it needs more help
bodhi_zazen Rocket2DMn, I do that when I PM a potential recruit
Alan_M looks at aj and chuckles
st33med I sorta liked how bodhi quizzed. I think we should keep him quizzing!
bodhi_zazen LOL st33med
Presto123 UA needs definite attention IMO...
bodhi_zazen +1 Presto123
ajmorris what Alan_M?
Joeb454 different group though really isn't it
Presto123 I try to stick with them
bodhi_zazen please help the UA team if at all possible
Alan_M im laughing at my private message to you on the forums about UA.....and my inability to READ lol
spiderbatdad UA= Un Answered?
bodhi_zazen Once a week search on UA posts ?
19:09 Presto123 yeah spiderbatdad
Alan_M unanswered post team spiderbatdad
Joeb454 bodhi_zazen, I'm on UA anyway
bodhi_zazen yea, we have a few cross members
Alan_M isnt on the team but ill throw my hat in the ring sometimes in there
ajmorris so is Presto123 yet he doenst come on teh irc channel :/
ajmorris hehe
Presto123 I would say MORE...but
Presto123 psh
bodhi_zazen not te be confused with our resident cross dressers
ajmorris anyway, no more UA, this is BT meeting :P
Presto123 AHAHA
spiderbatdad what are they mad about?
19:10 Rocket2DMn checks for UA posts almost every day
overdrank bodhi_zazen if I may ask what happened to the hardware team
LeAstrale what was the hardware team doing?
Rocket2DMn the problem with UA posts is if you dont get them in the first 6 hours or so, they rarely get responded to
Joeb454 collaborative effort I think
bodhi_zazen The hardware team has no members other then myself, atm
bodhi_zazen so it has been rolled into the beginners team
Presto123 ajmorris, just to make it clear to me...I wasn't auto added was I?
Rocket2DMn didnt we agree the HW team was really all of us?
bodhi_zazen and then, what Rocket2DMn said
Alan_M rocket, i thought so
19:11 ajmorris Presto123, you're on teh team aren't you?
st33med he is
Rocket2DMn somebody already changed the FocusGroups page for that
st33med else he would not have a dot
bodhi_zazen OK, last agenda item :
bodhi_zazen Assess on a continual basis the top needs of users, and ways to assist
st33med I need food
Presto123 What I would like to say to UA's as well...is that no matter how much they uh complain, don't answer if you cant assist...so we can hit that button and see
bodhi_zazen That is the point of maintaining an IRC channel for the team
ajmorris BTW... bodhi, how come uf bt members dont go in a group on http://ubuntuforums.org/showgroups.php
19:12 Presto123 ? ajmorris, beginner's team, yeah...but I didn't know about UA
bodhi_zazen ajmorris, I don't know
bodhi_zazen too big ? bodhi_zazen oversight ?
ajmorris oh, lol, you're not Presto123 :P
19:13 bodhi_zazen Any other comments for the last agenda item ?
st33med nope
Alan_M nada
janquark no
Rocket2DMn negative
st33med zilch
st33med zero
st33med nothing
Presto123 ...uhhh...
19:14 LeAstrale im gonna have to read the logs since i missed the first 55 minutes :'(
bodhi_zazen Any other topics ?
st33med lol
Presto123 IRC is the best way to do that IMO
bodhi_zazen I have one ...
bodhi_zazen There has been the suggestion of a Security team
Joeb454 yeah
Rocket2DMn i dont suggest that we deal with or organize that
bodhi_zazen Lets identify any interested beginner team members and make a new focus group
19:15 Presto123 Beginners Team Rent-a-Cops...good name for the group :p
Joeb454 though I think that should be part of the server subsection
st33med Why a security team?
Rocket2DMn that is beyond the scope of most of our capabilities and realm of knowlege
Presto123 I definitely am out of my league there
st33med security for forums or Ubuntu?
LeAstrale im out my league with security
bodhi_zazen I dont know, there are some here who know some security and I think we should pass on that knowledge
janquark agree with Rocket2DMn, what would be the purpose of this group?
LeAstrale security for windows i could do LOL
Rocket2DMn we all have some tips, but if you jump onto the security bandwagon, i think you better know a lot more than just a few things
Presto123 shouldnt that be a focus group?
Alan_M i know security..but....there isnt much to it.
19:16 st33med hem
ajmorris tronyx should lead security IMHO if he's interessted... he is our resident expert
st33med prevent pipe bombs
ajmorris of course, he may not want to
Joeb454 thats true
st33med no sudo rm stuff
bodhi_zazen purpose from my perspective is to make sure new users get quality
security advice
Joeb454 tronyx is always checking vayde's server
Alan_M my GIRLFRIEND should lead the security team LOL
bodhi_zazen If a security team is forumed , we can support it fast
19:17 st33med Have hacking competitions on our own computers?
Rocket2DMn i just think security is dangerous waters if you start posting in that forum b/c some of the people asking in there are real world IT and server admins with real prices to pay if security falters
bodhi_zazen Sounds like it may be a small focus group here
Presto123 lol Alan_M. Flooding the forums with DON"T SUDO RM ANYTHING!
bodhi_zazen which is OK
bodhi_zazen Rocket2DMn, +1
LeAstrale the best to secure is to make a deny rule for paultag :P
bodhi_zazen that is why I think we should have a focus group
19:18 st33med see if we can bypass our own security on one's own computer?
Alan_M ill be a part of that focus group
bodhi_zazen If nothing else, report it to someone more knowledgable
LeAstrale Rocket2DMn: i know exactly what you mean im a real admin and i use the forums
Rocket2DMn bodhi_zazen, i dont think that makes sense for the Absolute Beginner's team. that seems like something that should be its own separate UF team
bodhi_zazen OK, how about security for beginners ?
bodhi_zazen security starts at installation
ajmorris ok, all IRC focus group members have auto voice in #beginners-help now
Presto123 give it time Rocket2DMn...
Rocket2DMn you wrote a fabulous HowTo on that didnt you?
Alan_M exactly what i was thinking bodhi
19:19 Presto123 let it build and form maybe?
spiderbatdad I seem to lack focus
ajmorris and, as part of your jobs in the security team, you have to teach ajmorris how to hack
Rocket2DMn ok, well ive voiced my opinion, if you want to give it a try, ill support it
spiderbatdad ;(
bodhi_zazen OK, lets see if there is an interest on the team to start a security focus group, if not it is OK to dye off too
Alan_M educate our users on why encrypting a FS is a good idea is a good start on the security FG.
Presto123 ack...ajmorris, i haven't joined a focus group yet
Old_Soldier Just made it back who do i sign on with for the forum and Irc teams
19:20 bodhi_zazen Alan_M, did you see my post on encryption ?
bodhi_zazen resizing an encrypted partition ?
ajmorris i think the security focus group would be good
ajmorris hey Maddeth
bodhi_zazen I hope that post is educational re: encryption in general
bodhi_zazen OK, vote on security focus ?
st33med +1
bodhi_zazen anyone interest either +1 or -1 ...
19:21 Presto123 +1
Rocket2DMn -1
Alan_M +1
Old_Soldier -1
spiderbatdad 0
Joeb454 0
ajmorris +1
janquark too big for me now, perhaps if I learm more security stuff I will join
Old_Soldier thinks the server and secuity forum tems have that covered
spiderbatdad i'm for learning, as well
bodhi_zazen OK, looks like there is a narrow margin in favor ?
st33med ditto
19:22 Rocket2DMn mark that focus group as experimental i guess
Presto123 Move to next meeting bodhi_zazen ?
bodhi_zazen OK, we will see what happens then
ajmorris i think there should be a team, although, ill be on teh learning end most
likely, i can do a bit of security, but realistically, im crap
Rocket2DMn +! Presto123
bodhi_zazen Next meeting ....
bodhi_zazen 4/8/08
bodhi_zazen 5 PM MTN
19:23 spiderbatdad same time then.
st33med MTN?
Joeb454 My Time Now
Joeb454 lol
Presto123 Going to add to forum, K?
bodhi_zazen Montana Time
spiderbatdad oh
bodhi_zazen Any other ? topics ?
spiderbatdad thats an hour later
st33med Why name it montana time? Nobody cares about montana
spiderbatdad thought you meant mountain time
Joeb454 lol
janquark so 24 GMT?
Presto123 OH...wait
19:24 Presto123 crud
Presto123 Bodhi
Joeb454 so 2300 GMT 8th April?
Rocket2DMn bodhi_zazen, we'll let you update the BTMeetings page
janquark sure we will
Presto123 that's 3 pm here and I'll be at work
Rocket2DMn where is here Presto123
Joeb454 Presto123, mibbit.com is your friend
Presto123 Pardon...EST
19:25 bodhi_zazen 23:00 GMT I think
Presto123 Joeb454, two words, internet block
bodhi_zazen sucks bad at GMT
janquark ok cool
Old_Soldier i'll just wait for the nudge in channel when the time gets close
Rocket2DMn thats 4pm pacific
Rocket2DMn no wait
Rocket2DMn shiznat
LaRoza Can't we all just go by the Unix epoch?
st33med Ides of March?
Rocket2DMn yeah thats 4pm
19:26 Presto123 not same time as today? 6 EST, 5 Central, 4 MST, 3 PST?
Joeb454 lol LaRoza
bodhi_zazen 4 PM Pacific, 5 PM Mountain , 6 PM Central, and 7 PM Eastern
Rocket2DMn EPOCH FAIL
Presto123 AHHHH
LaRoza xkcd, we have all seen it
Presto123 pardon me then bodhi
Rocket2DMn http://xkcd.com/376/
Presto123 thats perfect
Rocket2DMn hehe
bodhi_zazen And whatever GMT that works out to be
Alan_M 6 central on the 8th of april...got it
Rocket2DMn add it to the wiki bodhi_zazen
19:27 bodhi_zazen Meeting adjourned , thanks everyone