13:46:35  <elkbuntu> ok... we ready?
13:46:44  <Kamping_Kaiser> henno, quite likely. i'm still looking for su though. its the principle  of finding both :)
13:46:46  <harrisony> yep
13:46:48  <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, sorta
13:47:00  <Melchiorre> elkbuntu: yup
13:47:10  <harrisony> me and Cyvros vented some sillyness so were ready\
13:47:21  <Cyvros> harrisony: Treu, true.
13:47:38  <harrisony> i still got some more
13:47:58  <Cyvros> I think we need to get back to the room, bud.
13:48:03  <harrisony> ok, ready
13:48:15  <Cyvros> Not quite.
13:48:18  <Cyvros> Almost there...
13:48:19  * elkbuntu waits for the wiki page to load incase there's something on there
13:48:26  <Cyvros> Ahhhhh...
13:48:29  <Cyvros> Yeah, I'm done.
13:48:51  <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, i suppose 'wtfs gone wrong withour meetings' and 'what time for meetings' feature in the 'add to' incase tis blank
13:49:13  <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, was just typing that
13:49:52  <harrisony> Melchior: any time i always have some in there
13:49:53  <elkbuntu> basically, what is wrong with the meetings is that they got changed to a day on which my favourite TV show is on, and hence i often forget to show up and nobody else takes over
13:50:19  <siccness> What TV show?
13:50:22  <harrisony> elkbuntu: what was on
13:50:25  <elkbuntu> siccness, NCIS
13:50:31  <siccness> I saw that
13:50:54  <elkbuntu> can anyone else offer reasoning?
13:51:04  <elkbuntu> or is it pretty much accurate?
13:51:12  <pschulz01> Evening.
13:51:18  <Kamping_Kaiser> in part i agree, i also think it never 'got going' after lca though
13:51:19  <harrisony> can you wait 2 secs i need to go too the toilet!!!
13:51:23  <Kamping_Kaiser> ironically.
13:51:56  <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, that could be explained by the fact we changed the time right after LCA
13:52:17  <harrisony> Ok im back!
13:52:19  <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, quite posably
13:52:27  <elkbuntu> the day, it seems, is *not* the best one
13:53:03  <Kamping_Kaiser> how many people here voted on having it today? (not directed to elkbuntu , but generally)
13:53:09  <elkbuntu> let me find the decision table, and we'll consider changing it to the runner up
13:53:18  <Kamping_Kaiser> anyone remember how many votes tehre were for today all up?
13:53:20  <siccness> No idea, I just voted all of them I think
13:53:30  <harrisony> did anyone else hear about the m$ and samsung patents deal thing
13:53:50  <Kamping_Kaiser> harrisony, irrelevent to meeting. sae it for later
13:54:13  <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, about 8
13:54:20  <harrisony> Kamping_Kaiser: we started,...oops!
13:54:24  <elkbuntu> till hunting the page
13:55:48  <elkbuntu> http://ubuntu.org.au/meeting-prefs/
13:56:09  <siccness> why the hell is mine all -1?
13:56:38  <elkbuntu> siccness, they're not all, wed is +1
13:56:48  <siccness> wednesday is my worst day
13:56:49  <siccness> lol
13:56:55  <siccness> i must have gotten confused
13:56:59  <Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, you didnt read the man page properly :P
13:57:02  <siccness> lol
13:57:13  <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, can i suggest we try thursday as the one with 2nd most votes?
13:57:15  <elkbuntu> siccness, even if we reverse, thursday is still the next best day
13:57:20  <siccness> yeah
13:57:30  <Kamping_Kaiser> excluding the posability that lots of people did what siccness did
13:57:31  * Kamping_Kaiser nearly did
13:57:53  <harrisony> QUESTION:what is the official ubuntu-au link is it .org.au or .com.au or
13:58:00  <siccness> org.au
13:58:03  <Melchiorre> How do we know that the meeting failure is because people can't make it...? It could be that there are never any good agenda items...
13:58:19  <siccness> Tis a good point
13:58:31  <Kamping_Kaiser> Melchior, even when there are agenda items (good is a /very/ relative concept) people arnt showing
13:58:32  <harrisony> thanks
13:58:48  <elkbuntu> Melchiorre, it's mainly because I tend to forget. *anyone* can run them, but nobody else but me tends to
13:58:50  <Melchiorre> Kamping_Kaiser: fair enough
13:59:01  <siccness> harrisony wants to run them
13:59:04  <siccness> :)
13:59:12  <Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, run or ruin? ;)
13:59:16  <siccness> Heh
13:59:29  <elkbuntu> siccness, be nice, the kid is still in the channel
13:59:46  <siccness> Interesting how I get told off :P
13:59:53  <henno> I was just thinking that
13:59:55  <Kamping_Kaiser> lol. i think i did
14:00:07  <elkbuntu> right, sorry, bad kampaz
14:00:07  <Melchiorre> elkbuntu: how about you nominate some people who can take over from you if you're not around? (points at Kamping_Kaiser)
14:00:20  <siccness> nah Kamping_Kaiser is useless
14:00:24  <Kamping_Kaiser> </3
14:00:24  <siccness> :)
14:00:28  <Kamping_Kaiser> :)
14:00:48  <siccness> I always think yama is good at this stuff
14:00:50  <siccness> however he aint around
14:00:56  <siccness> so that kinda gets thrown out the door
14:00:58  <elkbuntu> Melchiorre, Kamping_Kaiser and fujitsu are the deputies
14:01:05  <harrisony> :O!
14:01:18  <Kamping_Kaiser> i never think about meetings, i can if its helpful though
14:01:19  <harrisony> i can behave when i choose to
14:01:23  <elkbuntu> yama`, is also unavailable on thursdays, and is currently /away
14:01:24  * harrisony points at /me
14:01:25  <Kamping_Kaiser> infact, i dont think they are in my calendar
14:02:05  <harrisony> Fujitsu could do it
14:02:23  <Kamping_Kaiser> i could to, its a matter of remembering
14:02:29  <Melchiorre> ok then, all those in favour of Kamping_Kaiser and fujitsu running meetings when elkbuntu isn't here?
14:02:43  <siccness> so now Melchiorre is running the meetings? :P
14:02:43  <Kamping_Kaiser> or Melchior , he seems fairly authorative
14:03:01  <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, and there's 3 of him, many hands... ;)
14:03:05  <harrisony> Melchior: +1
14:03:10  <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, hehehe
14:03:11  <Melchiorre> lol
14:03:41  <siccness> I can run a meeting if required, but don't expect me to sit on an agenda item for longer than 30 seconds
14:03:56  <henno> unless it involves cricket somehow
14:03:58  <harrisony> siccness: hehehe 30 seconds!
14:04:01  <elkbuntu> siccness, that's why i didnt even suggest you :Þ
14:04:03  <siccness> henno: yup
14:04:05  <Melchiorre> siccness: I like the sound of that...
14:04:06  <siccness> elkbuntu: heheheh
14:04:22  <elkbuntu> Melchior, rushing a meeting is *never* productive
14:04:32  <siccness> as opposed to not having a meeting? :P
14:04:40  <henno> or having a meeting about meetings
14:04:44  <harrisony> siccness meeting:ok lets go 1) day to do meeting .......Ok TImes up its sunday 2)do we like pie......yes..time up yes! lol
14:04:46  * henno enters a meeting loop
14:04:48  <harrisony> meeting over
14:04:50  <Kamping_Kaiser> 900 UTC = 6.30pm Adelaide time
14:04:54  <elkbuntu> siccness, rushed meetings usually may well have not have happened
14:05:22  <siccness> im more along the lines of not allowing voting, but enforcing my preference
14:05:27  <siccness> hence the 30sec rule
14:05:36  <elkbuntu> siccness, another reason why you'll never run them :Þ
14:05:52  <siccness> I like to consider myself the George Bush of IRC
14:05:53  <Kamping_Kaiser> can i suggest 10.00UTC for meeting time?
14:06:00  <Kamping_Kaiser> and i'm perfectly happy to run them as required
14:06:04  <Kamping_Kaiser> siccness, so dumb as shit?
14:06:09  <Melchiorre> Kamping_Kaiser: what's that in CST?
14:06:10  <siccness> yes
14:06:13  <harrisony> um....10utc is yeah i guess
14:06:16  <Kamping_Kaiser> Melchior, 7.30
14:06:27  <siccness> what's 10UTC in melb time?
14:06:27  <harrisony> @10:00
14:06:34  <harrisony> siccness: 8pm i think
14:06:47  <elkbuntu> no, 9
14:06:48  <harrisony> siccness: 8pm
14:06:54  <Kamping_Kaiser> http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=4&day=24&year=2007&hour=10&min=0&sec=0&p1=0
14:06:57  <Kamping_Kaiser> look :P
14:07:04  <harrisony> Ahhh dst!
14:07:05  <Cyvros> 8pm without DST.
14:07:13  <siccness> are we in DST?
14:07:13  <cafuego> Depends on whether it's DST.
14:07:14  <Cyvros> EST is UTC+10
14:07:18  <Cyvros> siccness: Not anymore.
14:07:25  <Cyvros> During DST, AEST is UTC+11
14:07:31  <siccness> so its 8pm?
14:07:36  <Cyvros> siccness: Yep.
14:07:38  <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?month=4&day=24&year=2007&hour=10&min=0&sec=0&p1=0&continent=australasia is more effective
14:08:01  <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, talk about complicating things ;P
14:08:48  <siccness> we should base the meeting time around tv shows
14:08:57  <harrisony> siccness: yes
14:08:58  <elkbuntu> argh so we've been supposed to have meetings in my dinner time. that explains it even better. i was blaming TV
14:09:13  <Kamping_Kaiser> lol
14:09:18  <harrisony> wed as long as i can watch heros
14:09:26  <siccness> so by such logic, im free anytime before or after i decide to watch 24
14:09:34  <harrisony> *heroes
14:09:40  <Kamping_Kaiser> i suggest 10pm any night or after (works for me ;))
14:09:47  <elkbuntu> siccness, are you even an ubuntu user yet? :Þ
14:09:56  <siccness> wth is ubuntu?
14:10:00  <harrisony> siccness: haha
14:10:59  <harrisony> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/siccness
14:11:12  <siccness> Ahh deeply informative
14:11:27  <siccness> Sounds like every project I've ever done, "work in progress" and never leaves such
14:11:27  <harrisony> last changed date :S
14:11:48  <harrisony> siccness: j00blog?
14:11:52  <siccness> indeed
14:12:02  <siccness> and recently; mandrews.harrisony
14:12:09  <siccness> so is the meeting still on?
14:12:20  <harrisony> errr
14:12:35  <Kamping_Kaiser> yes
14:12:43  <harrisony> #ubuntu-meeting technical bored meeting some time soon
14:12:46  <elkbuntu> siccness, yes, im mulling a bit
14:12:54  <Kamping_Kaiser> also, agenda item for next meeting: stop our meetings degrading into random drivel
14:13:10  <siccness> ahh yes
14:13:16  <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, in this channel, that would involve kicking people from the channel
14:13:29  * harrisony is using launchpad beta
14:13:33  <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, +q should work, in a meeting its almost justifed
14:14:05  <harrisony> what is q why not +m and then ask for opinion
14:14:27  <Kamping_Kaiser> +m works too
14:14:38  <elkbuntu> same thing, different letter
14:14:53  <harrisony> ahh
14:15:19  <Melchiorre> so, back to meeting time...
14:15:30  <cafuego> Speaking of random drivel. Why does my machine really only ever crash or lock on tuesday evenings?
14:16:15  <Kamping_Kaiser> Melchiorre, are you likely to attend more /keep attending if the time is changed ? what time suites you?
14:18:05  <Melchiorre> Tuesday is perfect, but Thursday is also ok-ish
14:18:25  <elkbuntu> do we want to keep trying tuesday at a later time for a while?
14:18:36  <Kamping_Kaiser> i think so
14:18:42  <Melchiorre> but it should also be noted that if not enough people are coming to the most popular day, (according to the vote) why will more people come to the less popular day?
14:19:05  <Kamping_Kaiser> Melchiorre, because people 'forget' to vote, or just cbf.
14:19:07  <elkbuntu> Melchiorre, they'd be even if i retracted my +1 from tuesday
14:19:08  <Kamping_Kaiser> also, things change
14:19:28  <Melchiorre> ok
14:20:21  <Melchiorre> is there any way to make ubotu remind people about the meetings? like an hour before?
14:20:30  <elkbuntu> Melchiorre, not ubotu, no
14:21:07  <harrisony> Melchiorre: you could file a bug against ~ubuntu-bots asking for it too do that
14:21:12  <siccness> if we vote on something, just +1 me, bbl
14:21:14  <Kamping_Kaiser> i'll try and remember next time, putting it in my cal should do it
14:21:20  <elkbuntu> harrisony, it wouldnt happen, trust me
14:21:30  <Kamping_Kaiser> i want to propose we ban all gentoo/arch users (sic has +1 already) ;)
14:21:38  <siccness> wont happen
14:21:41  <siccness> cuz you ban half the channel
14:21:42  <harrisony> lol /me bribes servas $100
14:21:56  <harrisony> siccness: so you dont use ubuntu at all
14:21:58  <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, what about debian users too.. oh that'd eliminate me as well :Þ
14:22:03  <siccness> harrisony: no
14:22:11  <harrisony> siccness: so why are you here
14:22:12  <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, hehe. you upstream you
14:22:18  <elkbuntu> Kamping_Kaiser, :Þ
14:22:24  <Kamping_Kaiser> :P
14:22:26  <siccness> harrisony: because the ubuntu (-au) community are nice people
14:22:31  <siccness> not to mention, kampaz is here
14:22:35  <siccness> and lovely elkz
14:22:36  <Kamping_Kaiser> ;D
14:22:39  <siccness> you get a few devils like harrisony tho
14:22:46  <siccness> can't win em all but
14:22:56  <harrisony> siccness: why dont you join in the wonderful operating system we all use
14:22:56  <elkbuntu> being an ubuntu user is not about using ubuntu exclusively
14:22:59  <harrisony> and ha ha ha!
14:23:10  <siccness> harrisony: because i have arch
14:23:18  <siccness> now shut up, 24 is on
14:23:19  <siccness> :)
14:23:27  <harrisony> arch? i  think i heard of that
14:23:41  <Cyvros> harrisony: http://archlinux.org
14:23:47  <Cyvros> Similar to Crux, I think.
14:23:47  <harrisony> Cyvros: i have then
14:23:57  <siccness> nown known as Ark or some shit
14:24:06  <elkbuntu> ok, so vote time. Keep tuesdays, but move to 1000UTC?
14:24:08  <Cyvros> siccness: I don't understand the merger, personally.
14:24:14  * Melchiorre is going to get things moving as he needs to head off soon....
14:24:25  <siccness> talk in 1hr, Cyvros
14:24:28  <Melchiorre> all those in favour of keeping the meeting time on Tuesday?
14:24:30  <siccness> 40mins sorry
14:24:30  <Melchiorre> +1
14:24:33  <siccness> +1
14:24:35  <Kamping_Kaiser> elkbuntu, +1
14:24:38  <Cyvros> siccness: Right.
14:24:46  <elkbuntu> Melchiorre, keeping the meeting time on tuesday or keeping meeting *day* tuesday
14:24:48  <Melchiorre> ok, all those against?
14:24:57  <Melchiorre> elkbuntu: both
14:24:58  <Kamping_Kaiser> Melchiorre, we dont do againt ;)
14:25:02  <elkbuntu> Melchiorre, please. i dont need an echo
14:25:17  <siccness> ill give you a print f :)
14:26:02  <harrisony> +1
14:26:12  <Kamping_Kaiser> any against elkbuntu 's proposal?
14:26:22  <Cyvros> I'll go along with everyone else and say 'Aye'.
14:26:58  <elkbuntu> ok, i think we lost everyone else. meeting closed. i'll mail the list