Meeting started by Pendulum at 21:01:03 UTC. The full logs are available at http://mootbot.libertus.co.uk/ubuntu-accessibility/2011/ubuntu-accessibility.2011-01-19-21.01.log.html .
Meeting summary
- Status Update on Personas
ACTION: AlanBell to contact Charline and/or doctormo about software for doing the finished design of personas (Pendulum, 21:08:35)
- Development Status Update
- Ubuntu Accessibility Team Blog
ACTION: Pendulum to write intro blog post (Pendulum, 21:21:13) ACTION: AlanBell to write personas blog post for week of Jan 26, 2011 (Pendulum, 21:21:43) ACTION: MichelleQ to write blog post for week of Feb 2, 2011 (Pendulum, 21:22:42) ACTION: charlie-tca to write blog post on testing for week of Feb 9, 2011 (Pendulum, 21:24:36) ACTION: TheMuso to write a blog post on indicators for week of Feb 16, 2011 (Pendulum, 21:27:48)
- Status on Testing, Bugs, and Prep for Testing
Brief Intro to SpeechControl
LINK: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpeechControl. (hajour, 21:44:14) LINK: https://www.launchpad.net/~speechcontrolteam (JackyAlcine, 21:59:58)
- Any Other Business
Meeting ended at 22:14:18 UTC.
Votes
Action items
AlanBell to contact Charline and/or doctormo about software for doing the finished design of personas
- Pendulum to write intro blog post
AlanBell to write personas blog post for week of Jan 26, 2011
- MichelleQ to write blog post for week of Feb 2, 2011
- charlie-tca to write blog post on testing for week of Feb 9, 2011
TheMuso to write a blog post on indicators for week of Feb 16, 2011
Action items, by person
* AlanBell to contact Charline and/or doctormo about software for doing the finished design of personas
* AlanBell to write personas blog post for week of Jan 26, 2011
- charlie-tca
- * charlie-tca to write blog post on testing for week of Feb 9, 2011
- MichelleQ
- * MichelleQ to write blog post for week of Feb 2, 2011
- Pendulum
- * Pendulum to write intro blog post
* TheMuso to write a blog post on indicators for week of Feb 16, 2011
People present (lines said)
- Pendulum (90)
TheMuso (70)
AlanBell (28)
JackyAlcine (26)
- hajour (25)
- charlie-tca (21)
- MichelleQ (15)
- meetingology (14)
- erkan^ (3)
Full Log
21:01:03 <Pendulum> #startmeeting
21:01:03 <meetingology> Meeting started Wed Jan 19 21:01:03 2011 UTC. The chair is Pendulum. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell.
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21:01:11 <AlanBell> o/ 21:01:19 * charlie-tca seems to be here
21:01:34 <TheMuso> Good timing too, just finished breakfast.
21:01:40 <Pendulum> can everyone else who is here just give a handraise or something
21:01:43 <JackyAlcine> o/
21:02:35 <Pendulum> okay agenda can be found at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Accessibility/Team/MeetingAgenda
21:03:05 <Pendulum> I'm sorry we've not had a meeting in over 2 months, I was ill and just didn't get around to getting one organised.
21:03:17 <Pendulum> first item
21:03:27 <Pendulum> #topic Status Update on Personas
21:03:27 <meetingology> TOPIC: Status Update on Personas
21:03:43 <Pendulum> I know AlanBell has been working on personas and that hajour and others have helped
21:03:53 <AlanBell> yup
21:03:53 <Pendulum> AlanBell: what's the current plan of attack?
21:04:03 <AlanBell> ok, so faisal is pretty much done
21:04:13 <AlanBell> needs to be released to the world
21:04:31 <AlanBell> I was going to put it in a blog post with an explaination of the whole project
21:04:48 <AlanBell> and also do a glossy PDF of it to match the Canonical ones
21:05:06 <AlanBell> I had a go at that in inkscape, but I am not sure it is the right tool for the job
21:05:49 <AlanBell> then we will go through the other personas and bring them up to the same standards
21:06:46 <Pendulum> AlanBell: maybe e-mail Charline for suggestions on what they've used for the official design team personas software-wise?
21:07:02 <AlanBell> good idea
21:07:21 <AlanBell> although I have a fear that it will be something proprietary
21:07:28 <Pendulum> the other person who might have an idea is doctormo
21:07:35 <Pendulum> or he might know how to make inkscape do it
21:07:40 <AlanBell> really good idea
21:07:57 <Pendulum> AlanBell: can I give it to you as an action item?
21:08:04 <AlanBell> yes
21:08:35 <Pendulum> #action AlanBell to contact Charline and/or doctormo about software for doing the finished design of personas
21:08:35 * meetingology AlanBell to contact Charline and/or doctormo about software for doing the finished design of personas
21:08:56 <Pendulum> is there anything else personas related that needs to be discussed?
21:09:43 <AlanBell> not from me
21:10:09 <Pendulum> anyoen else?
21:11:10 <MichelleQ> nope
21:11:17 <Pendulum> great
21:11:20 <Pendulum> next item
21:11:38 <Pendulum> #topic Development Status Update
21:11:38 <meetingology> TOPIC: Development Status Update
21:11:41 <TheMuso> Ok development can be summed up in a few points:
21:11:51 <TheMuso> * api from egalia is helping with unity atk work at the low level.
21:12:05 <TheMuso> Rodrigo from Canonical is helping with unity panel a11y work.
21:12:52 <TheMuso> My focus is the platform experience as a whole, focusing on people who use screen readers and magnificatino, but where possible, advising for other disabilities as well. Be sure I'll be asking here if there are questions I cannot answer for such disability groups.
21:13:34 <TheMuso> Unity itself has low level atk work partially complete. SOme work is still ongoing with unity and the nux toolkit to retrieve needed information about some nux widgts via unity. Focusing of launcher icons et al is also in progress.
21:13:46 <TheMuso> Keyboard navigation is being worked on by someone in DX, and should be finished shortly.
21:13:55 <Pendulum> great
21:14:01 <MichelleQ> sounds like good progress
21:14:21 <Pendulum> TheMuso: are they just using onboard for now as the onscreen keyboard (I got confused when there was a UDS session about on screen keyboards, but no decision)
21:14:30 <TheMuso> I need to have a look at the launcher this next week and from the work thats done so far, try and make a design proposal as to how accessibility behavior should happen. Not too sure about thsi myself actually, just got an email about that this morning.
21:14:45 <TheMuso> Pendulum: onboard is staying where it is for now.
21:15:19 <Pendulum> let us know if there's anything anyone here can do to help!
21:15:19 <TheMuso> As to other things I am looking at, there is improving indicator accessibility which is currently in progress, as well as improving the entire desktop a11y experience where possible.
21:15:45 <TheMuso> This means that I am looking at getting the latest evince in for PDF accessibility, and I am working closely with the orca folk to make sure webkit support is in tip top shape.
21:16:00 <MichelleQ> I'm ready for testing, whenever it gets to that point.
21:16:02 <TheMuso> Pendulum: Will do, but I think things are well in hand atm.
21:16:07 <Pendulum> great
21:16:17 <TheMuso> Right, hoefully we will have something that more users can test in the coming weeks.
21:16:38 <TheMuso> The code is still fresh and somewhat unstable though I believe, haven't tried it myself yet, but I will be looking at that today.
21:16:47 <MichelleQ> just holler when you're ready.
21:16:54 <TheMuso> Will do, don't worry.
21:17:11 <TheMuso> It will likely be announced once a new release with the accessibility bits is made into natty proper.
21:17:13 * Pendulum suspects that there will be proclomations from the rooftops when we can start testing
21:17:25 <TheMuso> Yup.
21:17:34 <MichelleQ> :-D
21:17:55 <TheMuso> Thats all from me.
21:18:00 <Pendulum> great
21:18:22 <Pendulum> #topic Ubuntu Accessibility Team Blog
21:18:22 <meetingology> TOPIC: Ubuntu Accessibility Team Blog
21:18:41 <Pendulum> we now have a blog at http://ubuntuaccessibility.wordpress.com/
21:18:48 <Pendulum> it has nothing on it
21:18:51 <MichelleQ> Pendulum: awesome!
21:19:02 <Pendulum> We're on wordpress so that it's easy for me to add people who can work on it
21:19:03 <MichelleQ> well, not that it's empty, but you know
21:19:42 <Pendulum> I'm going to try to get it added to planet and an intro post up this week
21:19:54 <MichelleQ> let me know if you want help keeping it up
21:19:56 <Pendulum> after that, I'd love it if we could get a blog post a week on it
21:20:42 <Pendulum> so if we could schedule people to be in charge of a week between now and our next meeting (which should be February 16th), that would be great
21:20:50 <Pendulum> I know I've got this week
21:21:01 <Pendulum> I think AlanBell has already started writing something on personas for next week
21:21:07 <AlanBell> yes
21:21:09 <MichelleQ> I'll take the next, if you can give me some guidance on topic
21:21:13 <Pendulum> #action Pendulum to write intro blog post 21:21:13 * meetingology Pendulum to write intro blog post
21:21:43 <Pendulum> #action AlanBell to write personas blog post for week of Jan 26, 2011
21:21:43 * meetingology AlanBell to write personas blog post for week of Jan 26, 2011
21:22:21 <Pendulum> MichelleQ: if you take that week, we can figure out later what you'll write on, does that work?
21:22:26 <MichelleQ> yup
21:22:27 <MichelleQ>
21:22:42 <Pendulum> #action MichelleQ to write blog post for week of Feb 2, 2011 21:22:42 * meetingology MichelleQ to write blog post for week of Feb 2, 2011
21:22:54 <MichelleQ> Oh, I know... I can do something about the necessity of accessibility, if you'd like
21:22:58 <Pendulum> okay, we've got 2 more weeks to fill
21:23:00 <Pendulum> MichelleQ: sounds great
21:23:11 <Pendulum> charlie-tca: would you like to do something on testing for one of those weeks?
21:23:23 <charlie-tca> Okay, I can try to
21:23:33 <charlie-tca> I am the worst there is at blogs
21:23:48 <Pendulum> charlie-tca: I'm happy to look over anything before it gets posted
21:23:57 <charlie-tca> I update mine regularly, every couple of years when I re-write the website
21:24:07 <Pendulum> charlie-tca: so can you do the week of feb 9th?
21:24:12 <charlie-tca> okay
21:24:36 <Pendulum> #action charlie-tca to write blog post on testing for week of Feb 9, 2011 21:24:36 * meetingology charlie-tca to write blog post on testing for week of Feb 9, 2011
21:24:54 <Pendulum> okay, one more week. Who else is interested in writing a post?
21:25:11 <MichelleQ> charlie-tca: I'll help ya, too
21:25:39 <Pendulum> Also, I'm happy to look at posts for people before they go up for things like spelling and grammar
21:25:52 <Pendulum> So don't be shy if you're not a native English speaker
21:26:50 <TheMuso> I should probably do one week, to talk about indicators, and how they are better than systray icons accessibility wise.
21:27:13 <Pendulum> TheMuso: so can you take the week of Feb 16? I think that puts it after alpha2
21:27:15 <TheMuso> Particularly since I have a few plans regarding indicators, orca, and retrieving information from them.
21:27:25 <TheMuso> Yep should be able to do that.
21:27:48 <Pendulum> #action TheMuso to write a blog post on indicators for week of Feb 16, 2011
21:27:48 * meetingology TheMuso to write a blog post on indicators for week of Feb 16, 2011
21:28:03 <Pendulum> great, so that puts us up until the next meeting
21:28:49 <Pendulum> Anyone else who is interested in writing for the blog at any point just let me or AlanBell know as we currently can either add people so they can do their own posts directly in or can post for you
21:28:57 <MichelleQ> sounds perfect.
21:29:36 <Pendulum> Is there anything else blog related that anyone wants to bring up?
21:30:44 <Pendulum> Okay, moving on
21:30:46 <JackyAlcine> Pendulum: I'd like to post a bimonthly post about SpeechControl
21:30:47 <JackyAlcine> >_<
21:31:30 <JackyAlcine> It's okay.
21:31:32 <Pendulum> JackyAlcine: okay, talk to AlanBell or me after the meeting and maybe we can iron out a schedule or something
21:31:47 <JackyAlcine> Alright.
21:32:11 <Pendulum> #topic Status on Testing, Bugs, and Prep for Testing
21:32:11 <meetingology> TOPIC: Status on Testing, Bugs, and Prep for Testing
21:32:29 <Pendulum> charlie-tca: what's the status on having things sorted so that when we can start testing, there are some directions out there
21:32:32 <charlie-tca> testing is waiting on development, of course
21:33:04 <charlie-tca> It is hard to put the tests together, until we have the layouts down.
21:33:17 <Pendulum> okay
21:33:43 <charlie-tca> We need to know the shortcuts still, and we need images that work
21:33:58 <charlie-tca> today Ubuntu installed for the first time in a week
21:34:01 <Pendulum> other than waiting for development, is there any way that anybody else can help you either now or once the development is done to get the tests together?
21:34:26 <charlie-tca> Once we have things down, we will need people to verify the procedures, yes.
21:34:55 <Pendulum> charlie-tca: do you want to get people to commit to helping now, or is it easier for you to just see who is availible at that point?
21:34:55 <charlie-tca> Until then, it is pretty much stumbling along for a while
21:35:17 <charlie-tca> Let's see who is available then. It works better that way
21:35:22 <Pendulum> great
21:35:36 <Pendulum> anything else about bugs or testing?
21:35:55 <charlie-tca> bugs are looking good now
21:36:03 <Pendulum>
21:36:15 <charlie-tca> that's all, unless some one has questions?
21:36:18 <Pendulum> calm before teh storm?
21:36:28 <charlie-tca> yup
21:36:59 <Pendulum> if no one has anything else, we can move on... 21:37:02 * charlie-tca did lock up natty after installing orca
21:37:43 <erkan^> i have a question
21:37:55 <Pendulum> erkan^: yes?
21:38:00 <erkan^> what about testing? becuase i never have heard about this
21:38:46 <charlie-tca> We are committed to getting Natty tested with screenreader during the milestone ISO testing by QA
21:39:07 <Pendulum> erkan^: once the new accessibility framework is in (or partially in) to Unity/Natty we're going to have to test to make sure it works and get as many bugs fixed as possible before the final Natty release
21:39:46 <charlie-tca> We also are trying to make sure you can install it with the screenreader.
21:39:56 <erkan^> that's clear. I understand
21:40:01 <Pendulum> you probably haven't heard much about it because we're in a holding pattern waiting for the accessibility features to make it into the Natty development version
21:40:20 <Pendulum> er.. the public Natty development version
21:40:53 <Pendulum> until then we can't really do much to test
21:41:37 <Pendulum> anything else?
21:43:07 <charlie-tca> not here
21:43:22 <Pendulum> ok
21:43:39 <Pendulum> #topic Brief Intro to SpeechControl
21:43:39 <meetingology> TOPIC: Brief Intro to SpeechControl
21:43:53 <hajour> hai all i am hajour .to see who i am .its easier to look on my wiki .because i am not a very fast typer.so here is the link. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour.i came here because of the accessibility program to see or i could help..first i had made a list from issues and possible solutions.where i have made a sub page from by my wiki .https://wiki.ubuntu.com/hajour/accesibility
21:44:14 <hajour> then i saw all kind of troubles with speech programs and thought this must can different.
21:44:14 <hajour> and 2010-12-11 i started the project speechcontrol. and started to to pull devs ,program makers from speechprograms and more devs . we also have students in the team.together it is become a wonderful dedicated team .where i am proud up to have the honor to may lead them . https://launchpad.net/~speechcontrolteam
21:44:14 <hajour> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SpeechControl.
21:44:14 <hajour> i give the word to JackyAlacine now who is the head development from the team.
21:44:30 <hajour> sorry if it is to long
21:44:46 <Pendulum> hajour: that's not too long at all
21:44:53 <JackyAlcine> When everyone's done reading, just "o/" so I can go.
21:45:27 <MichelleQ> o/
21:45:38 <Pendulum> o/
21:45:50 <JackyAlcine> Hey, I'm Jacky and I'm part of SpeechControl.
21:45:51 <AlanBell> o/
21:46:10 <JackyAlcine> SpeechControl is the brainchild of and is led solely by Manuela Popping. I'm acting coordinator of development, and it's my duty to ensure that Manuela's ideas can be executed to code.
21:46:36 <JackyAlcine> So far, we've been working to get a Java-based speech synthesis engine named openMary (http://mary.dfki.de) to be used via C++ and Python by implementing libraries.
21:47:13 <charlie-tca> o/
21:47:35 <JackyAlcine> However, with a bit more analysis, we've noticed that instead of creating libraries; creating a fork of openMary that's catered to all Ubuntu distros. It can be tailored to incorporate D-Bus and PulseAudio, so that it can be used more universally, but that's a later project and will be attended to when the library hit a mature stage.
21:47:55 <TheMuso> Why not use espeak?
21:48:19 <AlanBell> is that getting openMary to be an espeak back end?
21:48:38 <JackyAlcine> TheMuso: openMary professes a feature called emoSpeak.
21:48:55 <JackyAlcine> And from reports, the voices in espeak are too "robotic".
21:49:05 <hajour> we have try to reach you TheMuso with emails and here to
21:49:17 <TheMuso> For the record, I don't like human sounding speech synths. They are not as efficient at fast speeds.
21:49:28 <JackyAlcine> TheMuso: That's where Sonic comes in.
21:49:43 <TheMuso> And, they take more space on disks etc, so it will be harder to get into Ubuntu, if things should progress that far.
21:49:43 <hajour> mm i think it would be nice if JackyAlcine could finish
21:50:23 <JackyAlcine> Sonic's another project by Bill Cox that efficiently speeds up and normalizes voices. More information about it @ http://www.vinux.com/sonic
21:50:46 <JackyAlcine> He's working with us to enhance eSpeak and other libraries with this issue.
21:50:50 <TheMuso> Yeah heard about it, I personally prefer the synth to dio it natively in its code, but if it proves a better method, then I guess thats the way to go.
21:51:18 <JackyAlcine> TheMuso: That's another option that's been considered, but it seems better to push that for a later release of the libraries.
21:51:36 <JackyAlcine> We also have plans to integrate the openMary engine to SpeechDispatcher and perhaps (a big hope) implement a simple GUI that allows users to select the standard speech synthesis engine and have its own configuration pages (defined by .glade files) and also have it all easily accessible via the such using the selected engines to dictate each label.
21:51:37 <TheMuso> Fair enough.
21:52:04 <TheMuso> JackyAlcine: Hey I have an idea similar to that, but more modular, to allow for multiple front-ends.
21:52:23 <TheMuso> The idea I had was to have the GUI controlling speech-dispatcher.
21:52:29 <TheMuso> Oh and glade is being deprecated long term I think.
21:52:53 <TheMuso> Perhaps we should have this discussion outside the meeting.
21:53:11 <JackyAlcine> TheMuso: sure, feel free to visit our channel. #ubuntu-speechcontrol
21:53:17 <TheMuso> But its goot to hear more about the speech control project. I hope to try and help you guys along at some point, but that won't be in natty's timeframe I'm affraid.
21:53:25 <TheMuso> Will do so after this meeting.
21:53:42 <JackyAlcine> That's understable.
21:53:46 <JackyAlcine> *understandable.
21:53:47 <JackyAlcine> SpeechControl also wants to integrate another component into the Linux Speech API, voice recognition. It's pretty interesting that the Linux Speech API doesn't have such a feature. Luckily, a potential application has come up to the role. It's name is Julius.
21:54:05 <TheMuso> There are many speech recognition engines out there...
21:54:09 <TheMuso> Why this one over the rest?
21:54:25 <TheMuso> ...sorry shoudl ask that in the relevant place and time.
21:54:37 <JackyAlcine> Lol, no problem, the curiousity's great.
21:54:39 <JackyAlcine> Although the version available from the site isn't, how can I put, suitably efficient for Linux, we've spoken with the project manager of Simon Listens, the KDE application, who has implemented a specialized version of Julius for his application. We're currently collaborating on packaging this version to replace the version available in the repositories. So, yes, SpeechControl's been on its own, scratching its way up, pulling the holes in
21:54:58 <TheMuso> ok cool.
21:55:35 <AlanBell> simon-listens is really cool actually
21:56:00 <AlanBell> it is QT based which is interesting given Mark's recent blog post
21:56:14 <AlanBell> mostly when running it doesn't need much gui at all
21:56:35 <hajour> well if i new this.i already hat put it this way to get your attention TheMuso .you are really hard to reach. lol
21:57:25 <TheMuso> Yeah mainly because I am busy.
21:57:43 <TheMuso> Anyway, thanks for the great introduction guys, I am interested in helping out where I can.
21:57:49 <Pendulum> okay, are there any other questions regarding SpeechControl? (preferably quick and easy ones)
21:57:58 <TheMuso> Ideally I'd love to work on a11y full time for Ubuntu, but that won't be the case.
21:59:04 <hajour> if you want you can sign in in the speechcontrol team TheMuso
21:59:25 * hajour is hoping he do it 21:59:47 <TheMuso> If you mean on launchpad, then I'll certainly have a look and join.
21:59:57 <hajour> great
21:59:58 <JackyAlcine> https://www.launchpad.net/~speechcontrolteam 22:00:03 * hajour cheers
22:00:50 <TheMuso> Ok I think we can move onto AOB.
22:00:53 <Pendulum> great
22:01:00 <Pendulum> #topic Any Other Business
22:01:00 <meetingology> TOPIC: Any Other Business
22:01:06 <TheMuso> So, Mark's blog post.
22:01:07 <Pendulum> are there any other things anyone has to discuss?
22:01:11 <TheMuso> QT apps in Ubuntu.
22:01:13 <hajour> the mean goal is that it stays open source and usable for old pc s to
22:01:36 <JackyAlcine> Yeah, what's up with that?
22:01:42 <TheMuso> We need to follow the progress of this decision, and make sure the a11y angle is completely covered.
22:01:42 <AlanBell> and Mark specifically mentioned accessibility requirements
22:01:48 <TheMuso> Mind you, it does depend on what QT apps are desired.
22:01:57 <JackyAlcine> I mean, we already had to deal with Unity being standard.
22:01:57 <TheMuso> anNot all.
22:01:58 <Pendulum> AlanBell: yeah, I noticed that he listed it up there and then ignored it later
22:01:59 <TheMuso> AlanBell: not all
22:02:10 <TheMuso> No VI mentons
22:02:12 <TheMuso> mentions
22:02:18 <Pendulum> yeah
22:02:33 <AlanBell> indeed
22:02:42 <AlanBell> it was keyboard and mouse mentions, not VI
22:02:46 <TheMuso> Yep
22:03:05 <hajour> lost it now a bit ?!?
22:03:17 <TheMuso> VI stands for vision impairement.
22:03:18 <hajour> first meeting here
22:03:19 <AlanBell> VI=Visual Impairment
22:03:29 <hajour> a ok
22:03:46 <AlanBell> so QT apps are not readable by Orca etc
22:03:57 <AlanBell> like webkit
22:04:40 <TheMuso> a
22:04:45 <TheMuso> Actually webkit is almost 100% usable.
22:04:56 <TheMuso> In natty, one can install the epiphany browser, and navigate simple sites with no issue.
22:05:05 <TheMuso> I did this myself last week.
22:05:07 <AlanBell> cool
22:05:15 <AlanBell> does the installer work now?
22:05:20 <TheMuso> Haven't tried it yet.
22:05:29 <TheMuso> But joanie has offered to help me get that fied up, whcih is cool.
22:05:32 <TheMuso> fixed
22:05:35 <charlie-tca> AlanBell: the live cd installed today
22:05:35 <TheMuso> gah typing sucks this morning...
22:06:35 <TheMuso> So all we can do, is follow this through, and make sure the a11y angles are all covered.
22:06:56 <Pendulum> TheMuso: adding to the many reasons we like joanie?
22:07:13 <TheMuso> I can understand this from a commercial/market share standpoint, but its a bit hard to see this decision made for the next cycle after canonical invested in getting unity accessible.
22:07:20 <TheMuso> Pendulum: heh yeah.
22:07:37 <Pendulum> yeah
22:07:41 <TheMuso> ...unless they decide to do the same for QT, which I somehow doubt.
22:07:46 <Pendulum> and put pressure on Mark/Canonical about it, correct?
22:08:01 <TheMuso> Yeah, harder for me to do so since I am an employee though... 22:08:17 * Pendulum sees a future possible blog post to come out of this...
22:08:18 <TheMuso> And lots of people know what interests me in the company so...
22:08:24 <Pendulum> TheMuso: I wasn't saying from you
22:08:25 <TheMuso> Agreed.
22:08:31 <TheMuso> Yeah I know.
22:08:36 <TheMuso> Just making sure everyone else does.
22:10:21 <TheMuso> So, I think thats all from me about this for now.
22:10:28 <Pendulum> okay
22:10:32 <Pendulum> anything else?
22:10:37 <hajour> only i want to say 1last thing speechcontrol must stay open source.i cant say it often enough
22:11:28 <hajour> o and i am willing to make a blog to with help
22:12:03 <TheMuso> Nothing else from me.
22:12:10 <hajour> could not say it earlier.i had already copied my lines about speechcontrol from note
22:12:33 <hajour> for to put in chat
22:12:49 <Pendulum> okay
22:12:55 <Pendulum> does anyone else have anything?
22:13:14 <hajour> and is it already note that the video s
22:13:35 <hajour> for to help with the keey often not work at al
22:13:42 <hajour> keey=key
22:13:52 <hajour> coc key
22:14:07 <AlanBell> lets talk about that afterwards hajour
22:14:15 <Pendulum> okay. I think we're done
22:14:18 <Pendulum> #endmeeting
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