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> = Agenda = == Meeting Links == * Link to previous meeting * [[ARM/Meeting/2011/20110804]] * Link to next meeting * [[ARM/Meeting/2011/20110818]] == Action Items from last meeting == * ogra to repair burn bot for ubuntu-armel -> arm name * NCommander and mahmoh to discuss server ARM image variants * NCommander to create/assign FTBFS bugs to ARM team members == Standing Items == * http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html * http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html * ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) * Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) * ARM Porting/FTBFS status ([[MichaelCasadevall|NCommander]], janimo) * ARM Image Status ([[OliverGrawert|ogra]], [[MichaelCasadevall|NCommander]]) * QA Status (GrueMaster) * Any Other Business = Meeting Outcome = {{{ [15:08] #startmeeting [15:08] Meeting started Thu Aug 11 15:08:36 2011 UTC. The chair is ogra_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.ubuntu.com/AlanBell/mootbot. [15:08] Useful Commands: #topic #action #link #idea #voters #vote #chair #action #agreed #help #info #endmeeting. [15:08] hmm, i dont have the urls handy, gimme a sec [15:10] grmbl [15:10] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/MobileTeam/Meeting/2011/20110811 doesnt exist [15:10] so i only have action items from a week ago [15:11] i'll skip these for now ... [15:11] [topic] standing items === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: standing items [15:11] TOPIC: standing items [15:11] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel.html [15:11] http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/ubuntu-armel-oneiric-beta-1.html [15:12] try http://people.canonical.com/~platform/workitems/oneiric/canonical-arm-ubuntu-11.10-beta-1.html [15:12] The first graph seems more broken than I remember it. [15:13] hmm, i still have to update the WI tracker code to pick up the new name [15:13] * NCommander coughs a lng up [15:13] *lung [15:13] i guess that causes the weird graphs ... bear with me, its on my todo for after mx5 and ac100 have landed [15:14] NCommander, do you remember any action items from last week ? (there was no wikipage and i dont remember them) [15:14] ogra_: there's a wikipage, I sent the link out in the reminder email [15:14] anyway.... [15:15] [action] ogra to update WI tracker with new team name [15:15] ACTION: ogra to update WI tracker with new team name [15:15] [topic] ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) [15:15] TOPIC: ARM Server Status (NCommander, Daviey) [15:15] https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ARM/Meeting/2011/20110811 [15:15] oh whay is that arm now [15:15] the others are all at /MobileTeam/Meeting/ [15:15] Because all the wiki pages were rearranged [15:15] up to last week [15:16] k [15:16] anyway, how is the server looking ? [15:17] Server images themselves work pretty well, though I found a bug that occurs duringnetwork setup if you don't have internet access [15:17] That's unique to ARM? [15:17] how was the LCX summit wrt arm stuff ? [15:17] *LXC [15:17] LXC is semi-foobared on omap4 due to kernel configuration issues, but a new kernel was uploaded yesterday to help to resolve it [15:17] I'll be confirming LXC works out of the box when I can stop hacking up a lung [15:17] funny that these werent taken over from .38 [15:18] iirc all these options were enabled in .38 already [15:18] ogra_: .38 had the same missing bits. [15:18] ah, k [15:18] just because the USER_NS bug was fix released already [15:19] anything else for server ? [15:19] . [15:19] . [15:20] . [15:20] moving on [15:20] [topic] Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) [15:20] TOPIC: Kernel Status (cooloney, ppisati) [15:20] neither is here [15:20] anyone else got something for kernel (apart from the above wrt server) [15:20] should upload the linaro mx kernel today [15:21] sponsor it for linaro [15:21] mahmoh is constantly cpmplaining that we have no omap4 srever flavour [15:21] I ran into a snag with ipsec because of missing kernel bits. [15:21] Should be fixed with latest kernel upload. [15:21] yeah [15:22] I'm not convinced we need a -server kernel for a product that's essential a proof-of-concept, but... [15:22] davidm, do we have any plans to make kernel teams life harder this release with an -omap4-server kernel ? [15:22] If omap4 were a server product, I would see where having a server kernel would be nice. [15:22] infinity, i agree [15:22] ogra_, I do not have any such plans [15:22] good :) [15:22] anything else for kernel ? [15:22] . [15:22] . [15:23] . [15:23] moving on [15:23] yep [15:23] [topic] ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:23] TOPIC: ARM Porting/FTBFS status (NCommander, janimo) [15:23] the ftbfs list looks awful [15:23] nothing to report aside from the occasional givebacks to LP [15:23] i nearly fell off my chair today when i checked it [15:23] ogra_, hmm it seemed to me it was usual [15:23] * janimo checks again [15:23] Yeah, now that we're (well, sometime today) in FeatureFreeze, I'm jumping into FTBFS head-first. [15:23] wasnt someone looking into ocaml three weeks ago ? [15:24] more than one person. NCommander and linaro gcc folk [15:24] NCommander was poking ocaml with a pointy stick. [15:24] And if/when that gets fixed, we can clean up a lot of our mess. [15:24] might have left some holes ... but no fix :) [15:24] right [15:25] emacs is not ARM specific but just happened to be a timing issue, likewise is server team. libvirt is new FTBFS [15:25] I made some progress with ocaml but no fix [15:25] yeah, and libvirt is weird [15:25] any progress with the panda cluster? That would also clean up the list quite a bit [15:25] cjwatson came by in #ubuntu-arm asking about it ... i tried a local build and that fails in even earlier tests [15:26] so another pair of eyes on libvirt would be appreciated [15:26] ogra_, I'll take a look at libvirt if noone else got it [15:26] and probably a build with the last change rolled back to see if its introduced through that (which i think is unlikely) [15:26] [action] janimo to look at libvirt after FF [15:26] ACTION: janimo to look at libvirt after FF [15:27] anything else ? [15:27] . [15:27] . [15:27] . [15:27] moving on [15:27] * janimo bets on gcc [15:27] [topic] ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:27] TOPIC: ARM Image Status (ogra, NCommander) [15:27] awful ! [15:28] the livefs builders committed suicide, x86 had livecd-rootfs removed and the archive is totally out of sync [15:28] Ouch [15:29] Yeah, the word of the day is "special". [15:29] i was (trying to) working on the ac100 iamges ssince monday but instead of coding i'm actiually fighting the archive churn [15:29] But none of the special is ARM-specific. [15:29] least A3 was last week [15:29] infinity, the chrun is ports specific as usual [15:29] livecd-rootfs has been put back, FWIW, and measures taken to stop that happening again [15:30] and it gets really annoying that i have to spend three days on the archive to actually be able to produce 1-2h of code work [15:30] That might explain why my mirror decided to puke. [15:30] ogra_: Well, the unity churn was an issue (and I smacked that until it got fixed), but the ubuntu-one screwup was out of our hands, for instance. And the livecd-rootfs thing. [15:30] I'm afraid to say that *somebody* has to spend that time on the archive at some point or stuff doesn't get fixed, in aggregate ... [15:31] infinity, well, the ubuntuone breakage was fixed with a seed change and meta upload [15:31] i was just to frustrated yesterday to actually do it, but it should be solved now [15:31] ogra_: Oh, they don't intend to reintroduce the gnome client? The changelog seemed to indicate differently. [15:31] Grr. [15:31] i dont care [15:31] cjwatson: *nod* [15:31] if it comes back i'll happily seed it again [15:32] FWIW you didn't actually have to change the seeds - rebuilding ubuntu-meta would have sufficed [15:32] but really, we need to get that archive skew thing fixed, thats why i'm moaning [15:32] and that would mean it would automatically revert if the package is reintroduced [15:32] cjwatson: Rebuilding meta would have dropped ubuntuone entirely, if it was being pulled in by the non-existant package. [15:32] indeed [15:32] true [15:33] but ogra's seed change was *only* to comment out ubuntuone-client-gnome [15:33] Oh. :) [15:33] anyway, i think we are burning lots of manhours fighting the archive issues every release ... just felt like mentioning it once again [15:33] Yeah, I didn't look. [15:33] for future reference rebuilding ubuntu-meta would've been enough [15:34] ogra_: Now that we're past FF, I'll be keeping a closer eye on archive stuff for us. [15:34] Well, almost past. Whatever. [15:34] infinity, and how would that help ? [15:34] * infinity looks at a clock. [15:34] you cant remove the sync issues [15:34] ogra_: Because catching things as they're a problem is much better than letting them stack up for two days and become an unresolvable mess? [15:35] sure, but thats just curing the symptoms (as we do since 3 years) [15:35] anyway [15:35] lets move [15:35] unless anyone else has something for image [15:35] . [15:35] . [15:35] . [15:35] moving on [15:35] [topic] QA Status (GrueMaster) === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:35] TOPIC: QA Status (GrueMaster) [15:36] Landscape testing works well. Running the qa entropy script now, expect results in two weeks. [15:36] heh [15:36] Plug in a keyboard and hire a cat to walk on it. [15:36] My mirror is slowly being rebuilt, so until it finishes I can't do much automation. [15:37] so much entropy from that rsync activity going to waste [15:37] The entropy test is a server workitem. [15:38] Will look into iSCSI or LAVA today. Haven't decided which will be more exciting. [15:38] Especially given that I can't reimage with netinstall atm. [15:39] Nothing else to report. [15:39] any questions ? else i'll move to AOB [15:40] . [15:40] . [15:40] . [15:40] moving on [15:40] [topic] AOB === meetingology changed the topic of #ubuntu-meeting to: AOB [15:40] TOPIC: AOB [15:40] so seeing #linaro there are some changes ahead for us [15:40] seems x-loader gets dropped [15:40] from where? [15:40] which means we need to adjust the image builders [15:41] janimo, by linaro [15:41] can omap boot without it? [15:41] What are they replacing it with? [15:41] they roll a u-boot that can run without x-loader [15:41] ah [15:41] see #linaro for further info ... [15:41] getting rid of software wothout losing features is good [15:41] i just felt that fits into AOB :) [15:41] first time I hear about it [15:41] me too [15:42] just wanted to mention that debian-cd will need adjustment [15:42] and jasper probably too [15:42] It will be interesting to see if it works. [15:42] thats all from my side [15:42] ah getting rid of the debian package for xloader [15:42] but still need MLO on the disk [15:42] Considering the 2nd stage needs to fit in 64k and u-boot is 227k. [15:42] I was hoping they found a way to not use a bootloader to load a bootloader to load a bootloader as now [15:43] there is a solution [15:43] you can add a binary header to the u-boot binary [15:43] Oh. They're combining x-loader & u-boot into one package with 2 binaries? Make sense. [15:43] there are some docs on omappedia about that [15:44] anyway, no need to discuss details in the meeting, we just need to make the builder changes at the same time the package change [15:44] and it looks like that will happen after FF [15:44] are they planning it in the oneiric timeframe? [15:44] ok [15:44] yeah [15:44] there was talk about an FFe [15:44] anything else ? [15:44] . [15:44] . [15:44] . [15:45] interesting conqequences of having 6 months vs 1 month release cycles project working on similar things :) [15:45] heh, yeah [15:45] going once [15:45] twice .... [15:45] ... sold to the dogowning QA guy in portland [15:45] #endmeeting }}} == Action Items == * None